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Alternative Energy
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Alternative energies are pretty sweet. They dont produce much energy like traditional coal, gas and nuclear plants do, but its still awesome to imagine getting energy from natural sources.

So far, theres wind turbines, ocean-wave harnessing, water dams, geo-thermal, photo-electric and thermo-electric.

But now theres a new one, extracting electricity from snowfall! https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/winters-are-only-going-to-get-worse-so-researchers-invented-a-way-to-generate-electricity-from-snowfall/ar-BBVZOwJ

Incredible invention in my opinion. It could be big some day.

Whats your favorite type of alternative energy source?


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
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I think the best source of energy is not an alternative, but nuclear. Nuclear power generation produces no carbon emissions, is very feasible, produces as waste only low-level products that can easily and safely be dealt with, and is hugely efficient. Despite Fukushima, which was mismanaged and an generated an avoidable meltdown, it can be done safely and properly if done right. I think the biggest aversion to it for the masses is fear of the word "nuclear," which frightens people. This is by far the best way to make the power grid "green."


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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Lignocellulose Biofuel is most likely be a major player in 50 years. A few breakthrough innovations will shoot the market sky high.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: BrotanicalMatt] * 1
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i want to build geothermal greenhouse, if i could ever get anyone to help dig..

basically, it's a plastic drainage pipe buried about 8ft underground and idk 400 ft long,
a fan pumps air threw pipe which collects ground heat in winter or ground cooling in summer, constant temp. about 67F


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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DividedQuantum said:
I think the best source of energy is not an alternative, but nuclear. Nuclear power generation produces no carbon emissions, is very feasible, produces as waste only low-level products that can easily and safely be dealt with, and is hugely efficient. Despite Fukushima, which was mismanaged and an generated an avoidable meltdown, it can be done safely and properly if done right. I think the biggest aversion to it for the masses is fear of the word "nuclear," which frightens people. This is by far the best way to make the power grid "green."



For now no one can discount the energy density and on-demanded aspect of nuclear power.  However the factors of fuel and enrichment provide problems as well.  Fuel, likely uranium, needs to be mined and transported to enrichment facilities.  Enriching the uranium is an energy intensive process, granted when used as reactor fuel its not as much as say...weaponized enrichment.  There is also production of enrichment byproducts that are toxic to the environment, likely uranium hexafluoride.  I am not sure if uranium hexafluoride is a problem with laser enrichment but there are no laser enrichment facilities that I know of at the moment. 

Nuclear waste is also an interesting problem and it differs by country.  In the US, for example, the NRC/DOE controls all waste produced because we are deathly afraid of proliferation.  This results in very hazardous spaces (Hanford site in WA, Savannah River site in SC) being produced and environmental catastrophes resulting in those spaces.  Now take a country like France, where nuclear plants are required to contain and store all waste on-site and it has less of a concentration density and transport hazard.  The containment measures we see at those sites are greatly improved over those we see in the US.

But it still comes down to the fact that compared to sources of energy that don't need to be mined, transported, and enriched...its not really green.  Nuclear IS needed for us to meet energy demand while the world implements more renewable sources of energy production without continuing burning through fossil fuels.  Unfortunately plants are VERY expensive to build (the two new(er) generation plants being built in Georgia bankrupted Westinghouse).  Unfortunately the plants that have passed regulatory scrutiny that we are building (AP1000's) are not at the forefront of nuclear technology to prevent mechanical and user-errors that have caused all of the past 3 major nuclear accidents.  The AP1000 is safer than the dinosaurs we are still using, but the cost is not worth the added safety for many companies (see Westinghouse/Toshiba).  Getting the latest generation technologies into a fully built and functional reactor would be a substantial investment that most would say is prohibitive.  It would be an entirely different story if all research and construction on nuclear reactors did not halt after the accidents and of the 20th century, but they did...and the safe technology is very far behind from being used.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
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To the OP...my favorite alternative energy source is the one that can use its local resources efficiently. 

Currently we have a problem with transport and storage of power generated.  The storage issue is coming along but we are not going to be transporting electricity from the midwest US all over the country.  There's a reason power plants are placed where they are, they serve areas...that will not be different with renewables.  Wind farms are awesome in places with wind; tidal generators are great along places with tides; wave generators are great in places with a lot of swells; snowfall in places with lots of snow; solar farms are great for sunny areas...the list can go on.  The key is how to utilize the immediate environment for energy production.  For my own personal use? Like in ones home? Probably geothermal.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Mr. Bojangles] * 1
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  geothermal heating cooling

  fan to electric generator


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: ellomello]
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Awesome videos.

Also, Happy BirfDay! :bongload:

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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I really like solar, but I wish the panels could be more efficient on cloudy days or during the winter.

Have you ever seen people on YouTube make fidget spinners "forever" spin by using magnets?

There is a video that goes further and the spinning object powers a lightbulb.

I wonder if this can be used on a large scale.. or if it's all bs


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
Have you ever seen people on YouTube make fidget spinners "forever" spin by using magnets?

There is a video that goes further and the spinning object powers a lightbulb.

I wonder if this can be used on a large scale.. or if it's all bs



the problem being hidden in the design, it takes a lot of infrastructure to produce high powered magnets, plus the maufacture of bearings, and all the other parts, but once the generator is built it may produce enough power to offset its cost, but its manufacture is still costing human time and resources not to mention the environmental cost to dig up the materials, so maybe not much of a game changer


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: killingravensun]
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Been buying the wind energy credits from the power company. They use the money to buy more wind towers. I live close to a wind farm, so it helps me feel like I'm helping my local community as well.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: goffa]
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What do you get in return?


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: XUL]
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A thank you card in the mail around Christmas time. They try to supply most of my power with wind vs coal powers. Basically nothing, except potentially cleaner air.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
XUL said:
Have you ever seen people on YouTube make fidget spinners "forever" spin by using magnets?

There is a video that goes further and the spinning object powers a lightbulb.

I wonder if this can be used on a large scale.. or if it's all bs



the problem being hidden in the design, it takes a lot of infrastructure to produce high powered magnets, plus the maufacture of bearings, and all the other parts, but once the generator is built it may produce enough power to offset its cost, but its manufacture is still costing human time and resources not to mention the environmental cost to dig up the materials, so maybe not much of a game changer



The bigger issue is that magnets don't store energy and that those fidget spinners are being spun around by something (like compressed air) literally pushing on them.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Whats your favorite type of alternative energy source?



Geothermal and biogas.

I'm quite fond of as broad-as-possible energy mix held together by small scale Molten Salt Reactors.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: towndaze] * 1
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Nuclear.

The newer technology is illegal in the US, but Russia just fired up their first Gen4 reactor, which has a theoretical fuel efficiency greater than one. Basically, they can harvest energy not just from primary decay, but from all the other decay step that happen as well. This also opens up the path to gen5, which has theoretically no radioactive waste, because it breaks the material down into safe isotopes. Of course, anything past Gen3 is illegal in the US, not only to build, but to research as well. US really screwed the pooch there. Fuckin' TMI and Jane Fonda.

Right now, the only reason nuclear plants are prohibitively expensive is because LNG is cheap and hydrocarbons are heavily subsidized. US taxpayers pay extra to buy fossil fuel power, which drives nuclear plants to bankruptcy.

Solar has been making great strides lately (in China, not the US. They're the leaders of solar tech right now), but the best solar panels are horribly toxic, and the safe ones barely generate power.

Wind is cool, but limited. There ust isn't enough wind power to take over the grid, at least, not unless we imminent domain all beachfront property and replace it with windmills. I'd add tidal energy to this as well. Need to take a bunch of beach property to make tidal power.

Geothermal is not feasible in the US. There aren't enough hotspots. Iceland can run off geothermal power, and they do. The US cannot. Also, fracking fucks up future geothermal development.

Biodiesel, or biomass in general, is a possibility, but not a good one. It's got very little positive power from a closed cycle. How to explain that sentence...? Let's say... you're generating biodiesel power, sustainably, right? 90% of that power is going to making more biodiesel. 10% is usable.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Buncha smart cookies

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Japan has just recently developed technology to harness energy from typhoons. Turning destructive weather into energy. Pretty awesome: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/super-typhoon-hagibis-could-new-tech-turn-japans-super-storms-into-50-years-of-power/ar-AAID3Gc?ocid=spartanntp

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The product of a Japanese start-up called Challenergy, technology called the Magnus Vertical Axis Wind Turbine (VAWT) could make use of those damaging winds. Instead of the traditional propellers found on regular wind turbines, Magnus VAWT has a rotating cylinders that power a vertical-axis generator. It relies on the ‘Magnus effect’, a phenomenon that explains why air curves when passing by a spinning object. A Magnus VAWT turbine consequently has three vertical cylinders that rotate around a vertical axis to generate power. It’s already been tested in Nanjo City in Okinawa, Japan, where it withstood wind speeds of 225kph/140mph.

Although they’re don’t appear to be as efficient as regular wind turbines, if Magnus VAWT turbines can capture even some of the kinetic energy from a typhoon, that won’t matter.



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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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These are super cool. I just spent 2 hours reading this instead of what i was supposed to be doing. Thanks guys.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: dschill] * 1
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This project gets around the storage problem with wind and solar.

The Kidston Pumped Hydro Project is set to begin construction early next year, after the wet season.
The Queensland State government has backed this project along with Genexpower

The bonus is it turns a dis-used mine site into a giant battery that can store and deliver 250 Megawatts over 8hrs / 2000 Megawatt/Hr



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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Stable Genius]
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That's really cool!

thanks for sharing :thumbup:

sucks about the organic farmers thou.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Stable Genius]
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That was a pretty tired old line about these things not being useful unless the sun shines or the wind blows. 

Even the ANGRY and CONFLICTED president of the...failing...USA said it. 

Sad.

Nobody in Trump's government at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envisage pumping water uphill.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
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Hey LogicaL Chaos yes I agree and think it's very cool too. I'd be hopeful the powerline is connected along the existing corridor.

Hey JohnRainy, for sure, point taken. It's just my opinion but I feel the aim of the 'infomercial' using term's like that, the guy in the lounge chair, the line about jobs etc, was to keep it short and sweet and dumbed down.

This from the Queensland government
"In the absence of a Federal energy policy, Queensland is once again doing the heavy lifting by backing projects like Genex at Kidston.”

The message needs to be kept simple and the dollars need to add up, because as you can imagine, it's a political hot potato.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
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https://cen.acs.org/articles/96/web/2018/01/Spinning-yarn-washwear-energy-harvester.html


"atmospheric electricity" is interesting..




in 1996 an experiment hanging a wire from a satellite,
which collected atmosphere ions as it moves in orbit,
immediately collected 3500 volts, burned threw tether,
snapped, and floated away in space, experiment over.
https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wtether.html


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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I build wind turbines for a living. I like wind. It's the cheapest way to make power. It works, it's economical in today's market without tax credits.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: ellomello]
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Very cool! Ive heard of static electricity harvesters! Ive also seen an article about a device that harvests radio signals for power such as this article: http://www.sci-news.com/physics/battery-free-cellphone-05042.html practically free energy!

Ahab, yes wind power is legit and has proven effective for years. :yesnod: Ive been to North Oregon and there are HUGE wind farms. Not only spanning large distances but the turbines themselves are gigantic! Its incredible how big they are. I once saw a semi transport just one side of the propeller and it took up the whole bed. Blew my mind.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Ole Field Trashe] * 1
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:smile: That's interesting that you build wind turbines Ahab, I install solar, off grid and grid connected.
Last time I did the sums on small scale wind, say for a single residential load, the cost for wind v solar was 3 times as much.
The extra costs were in the ground work.
From memory the base of the mast for the turbine needed 8 cubic mtrs of concrete and the winch anchor point(to raise the mast) needed another cube.
To do the same work as a 4kw solar system I worked out we needed a 5mtr diameter turbine, 10 mtrs in the air.
I'd be interested in the $$ comparison of those big ones though as large scale solar gets expensive.

Over 20% of Aus households now have  a solar system on the roof. Solar is fine, batteries are the problem.
We have been doing grid connected batteries but they are a shit load of work.. in my opinion we need say a 1 megawatt battery where the largest low voltage/high voltage transformers are in the suburbs, it would save a lot of fucking around.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Stable Genius]
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Wind works poorly for small scale. It works best on industrial scales because wind is better the higher you go and the bigger the rotor is. Most of the models I work on are at hub heights above 100meters, 3.0+MW nameplate value and have service lifts in them. I think the ones here have 350m3 of concrete for the bases, and that is really small due to a new engineering design. Older ones have just tons and tons of concrete in the bases.

I'm not sure you want a couple of tons of lithium next to houses. Batteries get really hot and fail on occasion. If that sucker lights up, it's going to burn for a week, you can't put water on it and it will burn down the whole neighbourhood. Suburb property is usually more valuable than an industrial lot covered in crushed rock you could dump a couple of shipping containers filled with battery banks.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Ole Field Trashe]
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That's a bloody good point :thumbup: and sort of similar to my view that we don't really need 2 million potential battery bombs, in various states of neglect, across the 'burbs here.

3 megawatt that's decent. I'd like to watch the concrete pour on one of those bases, it'd be a procession of concrete trucks.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Stable Genius]
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I think it's like 20 concrete trucks per foundation. I'm not sure though. We don't have much to do with earth works.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Ole Field Trashe]
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Ahab McBathsalts said:
I like wind.



Pervert.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: XUL] * 1
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I put another one online today. :borat: Another 3.6Mega-wiggles to the grid.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Ole Field Trashe]
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Awesome.

How long did it take? How many workers does it take? 3.6 megawatts is freaking huge! Didn't know they were that efficient :omgz:

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I'm sure that a good many of the magnet motors on YouTube are bunk, but there are real scientists working in this area.

Vladimir Roshchin and Serge Godin invented a Magentic Energy Converter that is similar to the Searl generator. These machines show overunity when operated at a high rpm. In both cases the machines lower the ambient air temperature which indicates that they are collecting energy from the heat in the air. So the machines should run until the environment is at absolute zero.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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DividedQuantum said:
I think the best source of energy is not an alternative, but nuclear. Nuclear power generation produces no carbon emissions, is very feasible, produces as waste only low-level products that can easily and safely be dealt with, and is hugely efficient. Despite Fukushima, which was mismanaged and an generated an avoidable meltdown, it can be done safely and properly if done right. I think the biggest aversion to it for the masses is fear of the word "nuclear," which frightens people. This is by far the best way to make the power grid "green."



Only issue with nuclear is waste. They can recharge the uranium core these days. Just in thousand years their will be no waste.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: FungiMaster]
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Yeah nuclear waste is definitely one of the biggest downsides of nuclear power.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
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Yes, nuclear produces waste, but it's still much, much cleaner and safer than coal or oil burning. It's the only viable way to become carbon neutral, if we have any interest in actually doing that.


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There is not that much of it. All of the used fuel ever produced by the commercial nuclear industry since the late 1950s would cover a football field to a depth of less than 10 yards. That might seem like a lot, but coal plants generate that same amount of waste every hour.

The U.S. nuclear energy industry has safely transported used fuel without any harmful release of radioactivity, injuries or environmental damage. In fact, after 7,000 shipments total of used fuel by the worldwide nuclear industry since 1970, there have been no leaks of radioactive material or personal injuries.


https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste




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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
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Thankfully coal is coming closer to being a dead industry every year. The availability and low price of natural gas is the biggest reason.

The biggest barriers to alternative energy sources is oil money lobbying against it.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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Thats a wild fact!

When i think about it, theres never been a radioactive leak from transporting the fuel that i can remember. Very interesting.

Brain, theres definitely a political aspect to it. Its also spendy to get these types of alternative energy sources going, so there has to be a "proven" cost-efficiency relationship. As with all experimental technologies, it can take awhile to gain mass support from all industries. But oil is big business. Its a huge industry, not just fuels either.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Thankfully coal is coming closer to being a dead industry every year. The availability and low price of natural gas is the biggest reason.

The biggest barriers to alternative energy sources is oil money lobbying against it.




Naturally. You know what they say: "Shell powers the Sun." If it weren't for big oil, we'd probably have gotten into all sorts of higher tech stuff as far back as the 80s or 90s. But of course, money was withheld from such endeavors -- by the oil companies. As soon as new patents for things come up, Exxon buys them. Otherwise there would have been all sorts of money pouring into alternatives. Alas, we live in an extremely corrupt world.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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Engineers in Sweden just developed a new molecule that can be used for thermal-phototic storage. It converts sunlight into heat that can be released on demand. Has a ton of applications too. Pretty awesome development: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-04/moth-poulsen-s-energy-trapping-molecule-could-solve-solar-storage

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