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How to dunk an unconsolidated sub?
    #25937031 - 04/15/19 10:57 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

My two first tubs are very low ratio like 1:6 or one quart in eac tub (noob status) so the substrate isn't colonized fully at all and im about halfway through the first flush. Ive picked nearly about half of the first flush and by the time the rest of the veils break and i harvest i dont think it will be 100% still!

If i was to dunk the sub as is it i feel like it would wash away basically so how do i go about watering it? Bottom watering might work but that might mess the sub up as well since it's still largely uncolonized. Super misting in between flushes?

I did not case other than a psuedocasing with choir. The sides and bottom basically look like the top
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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937039 - 04/15/19 11:01 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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the substrate isn't colonized fully at all and im about halfway through the first flush.




your substrate is contaminated. thats why the mushrooms are growing.

you can see some of that trich myc on the surface in pic 2. check the bottom of the tote.

wouldnt surprise me if it were green.. if it aint then its about to explode. at least you got shrooms:thumbup:


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937042 - 04/15/19 11:04 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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the substrate isn't colonized fully at all and im about halfway through the first flush.




your substrate is contaminated. thats why the mushrooms are growing.

you can see some of that trich myc on the surface in pic 2. check the bottom of the tote.

wouldnt surprise me if it were green.. if it aint then its about to explode. at least you got shrooms:thumbup:




Trich myc wouldn't be a stump with bruise would it? I just harvested some off the top with scissors.
Ill post a pic of the bottom here shortly so we can see. Ive gotten trich before in a pre made bag i didnt think anything look like trich but wtf do i know πŸ˜‚. Thanks for the quick reply man!


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937047 - 04/15/19 11:08 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

A heavy mist after picking would be fine.
I wouldn't push my ratios past 1:4 imo..


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937049 - 04/15/19 11:08 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)



The bottom looks just fine. Got some fatties forming down there pushing on the bottom but other than that, I didn't think i saw trich.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: XnMe]
    #25937052 - 04/15/19 11:10 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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A heavy mist after picking would be fine.
I wouldn't push my ratios past 1:4 imo..





Oh no I wouldn't now as well. I didn't understand ratios when i mixed these up so lesson learned for sure!

Heavy misting got itπŸ‘ŒπŸ½ Thank you for the input


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937053 - 04/15/19 11:10 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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the substrate isn't colonized fully at all and im about halfway through the first flush.




your substrate is contaminated. thats why the mushrooms are growing.

you can see some of that trich myc on the surface in pic 2. check the bottom of the tote.

wouldnt surprise me if it were green.. if it aint then its about to explode. at least you got shrooms:thumbup:




Trich myc wouldn't be a stump with bruise would it? I just harvested some off the top with scissors.
Ill post a pic of the bottom here shortly so we can see. Ive gotten trich before in a pre made bag i didnt think anything look like trich but wtf do i know πŸ˜‚. Thanks for the quick reply man!




no the trich myc is that white ish, fluffyish... uhh mold myc on the surface. the fruits are also spindy and trichy looking.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937056 - 04/15/19 11:13 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

heres a pic of what i think i am seeing. maybe im wrong.


if your surface looks like my pic? the tub is fucked.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937058 - 04/15/19 11:14 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

Mushboy I'm having trouble seeing what you are..


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937072 - 04/15/19 11:20 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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heres a pic of what i think i am seeing. maybe im wrong.


if your surface looks like my pic then the tub is fucked.




Tub is fucked meaning i need to get it out of my room asap or im screwed infected my grow space etc and just get what i can out of the tubs and quit? Make me sad saying they're fuckt..

Here's some more pictures so u can get a beteer idea.


Both tubs here i dont think it looks like ur pic but again, wtf do i kno. My first grow. Thanks for the help man i hope this isnt looking fuckt


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: XnMe]
    #25937073 - 04/15/19 11:21 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

Mushboy is 100% right, like always :wink:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25885775

U can try to bottom water but 9.9 outta 10 times mold will show its ugly face before the end of the second flush.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937075 - 04/15/19 11:22 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

i could be completely insane. wait for other opinions:thaaannks:


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937081 - 04/15/19 11:24 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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i could be completely insane. wait for other opinions:thaaannks:




So could I lol :vaped:


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937086 - 04/15/19 11:28 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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i could be completely insane. wait for other opinions:thaaannks:




Not trying to say that at all and i dont think ur thousands of posts are saying this either. I've been curious about the health condition of these tubs for a bit now and I'm picking up what you're putting down. If it is fucked, what is the procedure? Do i have myself some outside babaies now? Im so saaad i thought i was doing well.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937091 - 04/15/19 11:32 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

IF green shows its face? you toss. if you have shrooms growing then id isolate and finish fruiting; toss.

it becomes heart breaking when you have a fat pinset coming in and boom. by the time the shrooms could grow the trich will annihilate the sub.

thats if a tub a fucked:stoned: eaat a good dose of what you grew and be sad later. learn agar. keep growing.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937101 - 04/15/19 11:40 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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IF green shows its face? you toss. if you have shrooms growing then id isolate and finish fruiting; toss.

it becomes heart breaking when you have a fat pinset coming in and boom. by the time the shrooms could grow the trich will annihilate the sub.

thats if a tub a fucked:stoned: eaat a good dose of what you grew and be sad later. learn agar. keep growing.




Thabks for the advice u make me less sad :smile: Im dipping my feet in learning agar on bods page for sure. What's got me down is the idea that if i get trich mold etc in my tub i can no longer grow in here (my small studio apartment) is this a myth (obviously not a myth but i understand it's going to conplicate tf out of future grows)?  The spores are already all around us all the time so idk. Ill move these tubs to the main house then and continue watching them. 😊


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    #25937104 - 04/15/19 11:44 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

yah thats a myth. mold spores are already everywhere. thats why shit contaminates in the first place.

you need healthy, clean spawn. which you make with solid grain prep and clean cultures on agar.

clean spawn is contamination resistant on its own because the myc has already colonized the food sources:rocket:

the healthy spawn will colonize the bulk sub nice and quick before anything could germinate.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937105 - 04/15/19 11:46 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

Wuts the difference, iv had subs go green on me in the same fruiting chamber, as in next to other substrates, its not a big deal. Its really not a big deal, I wouldn't worry about it. Trich comes from the grain anyway so everyone is going to be ok I promise.

Mush beat me to it.


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: mushboy]
    #25937108 - 04/15/19 11:48 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

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yah thats a myth. mold spores are already everywhere. thats why shit contaminates in the first place.

you need healthy, clean spawn. which you make with solid grain prep and clean cultures on agar.

clean spawn is contamination resistant on its own because the myc has already colonized the food sources:rocket:

the healthy spawn will colonize the bulk sub nice and quick before anything could germinate.





Sweet! That's a big weight off my chest i can keep doing mycology even if i fail! What a misunderstanding..
I think these grains got contaminated because i used an insta pot not a 15 psi pc and i knew itd come back to get me. Definitely buying a real PC for the next batch. Or maybe the syringe or anything but the insta pot sketches me.

Seriously appreciate u guys setting me on the right path πŸ™πŸ½


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Re: How to dunk an unconsolidated sub? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
    #25937122 - 04/15/19 11:58 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

Yea mate first thing you need is a pc, 1, second is an sab, 2, and third you have to learn good sterile technique then you are set on a path of clean grain spawn and good yields. Good luck.


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