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Psicomb
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Tried it quite a few times with mediocre results. I have much better luck doing one qt spawn per shoebox.
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Durgin
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25935678 - 04/15/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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What was mediocre about them?
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Psicomb
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Durgin]
#25935722 - 04/15/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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The yields. I'd consistently get like 25-35g dry, never more than 35g, first flush from the two qt ones while my one qt shoeboxes consistently give me 20-30g dry first flush. Subsequent flushes aren't much better either. That's just my experience but I've read similar anecdotes. I've been trying to make it work where I get similar yield ratios to my 1qt spawn shoeboxes but I have yet to have that happen.
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Vibe_Enthusiast
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25935739 - 04/15/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Clones or ms?
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ShaperDreaming
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25935787 - 04/15/19 10:17 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: The yields. I'd consistently get like 25-35g dry, never more than 35g, first flush from the two qt ones while my one qt shoeboxes consistently give me 20-30g dry first flush. Subsequent flushes aren't much better either. That's just my experience but I've read similar anecdotes. I've been trying to make it work where I get similar yield ratios to my 1qt spawn shoeboxes but I have yet to have that happen.
Anecdotal story from me. I cut back from 4 pints (2 quarts) down to 3 and noticed almost no difference in weight (as above, within 10%), and often I only do 2 pints (1 quart) with almost the same results. Seems like a waste to do 2 quarts to me. I find I like 3 pints the best spawned at 1:2 spawn:coir only.
Don't know if this question was directed at volume usage, but this is for both MS and Clone. Everything has been cleaned up on agar first.
Edited by ShaperDreaming (04/15/19 10:20 AM)
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ShaperDreaming said: Anecdotal story from me. I cut back from 4 pints (2 quarts) down to 3 and noticed almost no difference in weight (as above, within 10%), and often I only do 2 pints (1 quart) with almost the same results. Seems like a waste to do 2 quarts to me. I find I like 3 pints the best spawned at 1:2 spawn:coir only.
How were the later flushes? Did the one with more nutrients produce more or better later flushes?
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ShaperDreaming
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: poisoned] 1
#25935956 - 04/15/19 11:42 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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poisoned said: How were the later flushes? Did the one with more nutrients produce more or better later flushes?
Not really, but honestly after flush 2-ish nothing is consistent in my experience. But, when I was running more "tests" on this I really didn't notice much of a difference at all on later flushes.
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MadHatter333
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Reading these results I may start using 1 1/2 myco quarts per shoebox, or just 1. Didn’t know I was wasting spawn doing 2..
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Legend21
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I did 3 quarts at a time using a 1/1 ratio in a boot box and had similar results. I like the simplicity of one box over three but was getting better yield out of three small boxes. But sometimes when you have tons of jars laying around it’s easier to do the boot box with 3 quarts.
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ShaperDreaming
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MadHatter333 said: Reading these results I may start using 1 1/2 myco quarts per shoebox, or just 1. Didn’t know I was wasting spawn doing 2..
2 quarts "look" a lot better in a super packed box (impressive canopy), but aren't that much heavier in weight. They are no where near as heavy in weight to make up for the twice as much spawn. I'd love to see what other people's results are when the move up/down from their current practices.
Maybe I'll run side-by-side tests with my next spawn run. I have 5 pints of two different types. I can do 2 pt in one 3 in the other. It'll be cute to see the results.
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mushroomnate
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I do 1:2 ratio,top layer at spawn in all my shoeboxes. Same ratio when using BRF cakes as spawn.
Haven't really needed to go with a higher ratio.
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ShaperDreaming
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mushroomnate said: I do 1:2 ratio,top layer at spawn in all my shoeboxes.
How many myco-quarts you use?
Also, this is what I do too (1/8"-1/4" toplayer, coir only)
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mushroomnate
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1 myco qt per shoebox.about 1/4" coir only top layer as well.
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Durgin
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ShaperDreaming said:
2 quarts "look" a lot better in a super packed box (impressive canopy), but aren't that much heavier in weight. They are no where near as heavy in weight to make up for the twice as much spawn.
Yeah, my first 1:1 box had a nice thick canopy but the fruits were pretty small, with the veils breaking at about 2". Maybe at that point water is the limiting factor rather than nutrition?
Also, I've noticed that the 1:3 boxes I've got going don't look nearly as well colonized by the time pins start showing. Is that something others have noticed? Don't know if it's normal or if maybe my coir is too wet.
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ShaperDreaming
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mushroomnate said: 1 myco qt per shoebox.about 1/4" coir only top layer as well.
OH oh oh! Yeah! Nice. *supernerdingoutnow* Do you saturate yours with a mister right before you snap the lid? I like to wet the top down a little bit and I haven't seen a side/bottom pin in ages because of this. The top layer alone was pretty good, but I really like misting the top. I also dial in my coir just below field capacity (like, I have to work to get a drop of water) so this seems to direct the mushrooms up quite a bit.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Durgin]
#25936261 - 04/15/19 02:01 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Durgin said: Also, I've noticed that the 1:3 boxes I've got going don't look nearly as well colonized by the time pins start showing. Is that something others have noticed? Don't know if it's normal or if maybe my coir is too wet.
Is it the same culture/variety? I ask because I've noticed that it's pretty different how things colonize from one to the next. Rusty Whyte, for example, colonizes for shit at any ratio. PE, on the other hand, over-colonizes everything it can.
I haven't noticed a significant difference from 1:1 - 1:3 (or anything between) in colonizing.
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Legend21
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mushroomnate said: I do 1:2 ratio,top layer at spawn in all my shoeboxes. Same ratio when using BRF cakes as spawn.
Haven't really needed to go with a higher ratio.
Those are some banging boxes! I especially love the ape about to order me some ape spores right now!
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Durgin
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ShaperDreaming said:
Is it the same culture/variety? I ask because I've noticed that it's pretty different how things colonize from one to the next. Rusty Whyte, for example, colonizes for shit at any ratio. PE, on the other hand, over-colonizes everything it can.
You're definitely into something there, my "gold standard" box for colonization is a 1:1 box of PE Uncut, and maybe that's where I got the idea. I've got some of that at 1:3 that's a week or so behind, but will keep an eye on it to see if catches up.
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Psicomb
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Vibe_Enthusiast said: Clones or ms?
Both but MS about 80% of the time. I'd like someone to prove me wrong but I never see 50g first flushes with shoeboxes no matter the amount of spawn used so it makes more sense for me to stick with just one quart and consistently yield close to a zip dry first flush.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25936424 - 04/15/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: I'd like someone to prove me wrong but I never see 50g first flushes with shoeboxes no matter the amount of spawn used so it makes more sense for me to stick with just one quart and consistently yield close to a zip dry first flush.
I bet it could happen, but with something bulky as fuck like PE would have to do it.
Either way: when I use 1 - 1.5 myco qt I average around 32.5g-37.5g dry first flush for regular varieties.
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