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First grow B+ how am I doing?
    #25859691 - 03/07/19 10:36 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hello good people, first time grower here just looking for a little advise/reassurance.

So I'm growing using the BFR technique and its been 46 days since inoculation. I have a one litre sized jar over 1/2 colonized,
one half pint jar nearly 1/2 colonized (spotted life 2 weeks ago) and other half pinter just now showing a ~1cm spot of life. 2 failed/ still dormant jars (one of which I used coca coir in as an experiment)

I think my issue here is I didn't inject properly against the glass, but still this seems like a long time which makes me worry that contams have had plenty of time to settle in, though I don't see any signs of that.

About a week after inoculation I realized the temps were too low and now they are sitting in a storage tub with ambient temps of 24-28C. I also opened up the dormant jars about 4-5 weeks in to add a bit of mineral water as there was no life at the time and the jars looked quite dry.

When I open the tub to check in on the jars I get a whiff of what I would describe as sweaty feet, it's gotten a bit more sweet smelling recently and less pungent. There's a small amount of condensation on the big jar, especially around the myc growth. The rest look dry. the myc varies from stringy ryzos to sort of fluffy looking.

So with that said do things sound ok? Apologies for the lack of pics, I will post some when I get the chance.

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105] * 1
    #25859715 - 03/07/19 10:54 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Def post some when u can. But for 1, u used the wrong size jar (on the big one) it will take FOREVER to colonize, and how are u gonna get it out if the mouth of the jar narrows?

And the jars that u opened and added water to are most likely fucked. U can't do that. Opening uncolonized jars in open are = guaranteed contamination. Are u using a sab?

U want to use 1/4 pt, 1/2pt, or 1pt jars. 1/2 pints are standard and recommended.

And the smell ur smelling is bacteria.

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25859799 - 03/07/19 11:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like u messed up the recipie or didnt have enough spore density in your syringe.

But my first guess is a subatrate issue. Also u could colonize at a minimal 62F or else it will grow very slow. Subtropic is definitely OK but anything colder will be very slow grow or no growth. Cubes are from the tropics.

Also never use a litre jar. Way too big. Biggest u wanna go is a pint.


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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25860094 - 03/08/19 04:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Pics as promised:


Thanks for the replies, now I know a big mistake here was not filling the jars to the top, this likely meant allot of spores got stuck in the dry verm layer, my bad.

@nube424 as you can see the plastic jar has no neck luckily, and in reality its more like just over 1 pint in size. I didn't use a SAB during inoculation or while adding water, but the air was still and I did my best to be quick and clean. You think the smell is bacteria huh? is this fatal or can the myc fight through it?

@LogicaL Chaos yeah maybe i messed up the recipe, i used verm/BRF/boiled mineral water in a roughly 2:1:1 ratio untill water capacity was reached, it did seem like allot of flour and maybe not enough air pockets to let the myc spread quickly. And for the syringe it was perfectly clear so I imagine the spore density was low, but that's just my guess.

So whats your medical opinion of my babies? BTW in pic 3 hopefully you can see the fuzziness on top of the dry (not so dry)verm layer.

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25860107 - 03/08/19 05:00 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

The plastic jar looks ok, just needs to finish. The other 2, I would sniff the lids. If they stink Chuck them.

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25860156 - 03/08/19 05:59 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm. Cake #1 looks good. Cake #2 & #3 look iffy. Substrate is real loose. It might not colonize correctly or will fall apart at some point during fruiting.

Curious what will happen.

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: nube424]
    #25863723 - 03/09/19 05:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

All my cakes with myc have the same sort of smell, sweet sweaty feet-like... it's hard to describe. The second cake in question is growing out quite fast compared to the big one, and still don't see any signs of contams. Are there any visible features to bacteria? I seen some other posts with slimy stuff but I definitely don't see it. Maybe ~28C (82.4F) is a bit too warm?

Anyway back to playing the waiting game, I will report back on how things progress.

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25932137 - 04/13/19 09:23 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Hi just an update, it's fruiting time! I have 2 mushrooms going inside my big jar (about 2cm curled up), noticed them pressed against the sides last night even though it never 100% colonized the jar. I have a problem though, need to go buy some pearlite and prepare the FC.

My questions are should I still submerge my cake in water in the meantime? if so should i snip off the small mushrooms first or just leave them? any other advise for dealing with this situation since i missed the pinning stage?

will post pics later, tnx

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25932300 - 04/13/19 11:00 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

So I noticed another thread here that demonstrated wetted coir can replace perlite as the humidity regulator base, its just a bit more prone to contams. I think i will try this using tin foil/ oven grill rack to separate the substrates since i have a good amount available.

But since my cake only colonized ~80% and its from a wide oversized jar and there's already mushrooms I'm a bit worried about the dunk and roll, I need a delicate touch so it dosn't collapse thats for sure

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25942978 - 04/19/19 05:26 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Everything worked out in the end! :grin:



Hopefully I can get a good print off the large caps, didn't want to wait much longer. Little note the big abort seemed to have the deepest blueing reaction when i harvested.

Tnx for the help, Never tried mushrooms nor do I have scales. looking to go for a level 1-2 trip to begin with, any ideas how much here I should consume?

Also it's only been about 4-5 days since the first 'dunk and roll' so whats the best course of action for another flush?

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Re: First grow B+ how am I doing? [Re: kb105]
    #25943891 - 04/19/19 02:47 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, nice.  I was seriously concerned when I first read liter jars...not sure how I missed this thread as I've been scouring this place for info myself.  Glad to see you got some fruit, buddeh! I would eat all of those after drying, or wet if you don't want to wait/can stand the taste.  Lookin like you'll get about 3-4g dry or so off those 3. (someone confirm my eyeball estimate?) suppose it depends really. 

Dunk those cakes again if they've dried out and stick em back in fruiting chamber! Round two coming soon!


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