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Soccrates
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The quart jar way
#25927550 - 04/10/19 07:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't seem to find much in regards to this tek on the forums here. I wonder why that is?
It is far from new, not created by the shroomery. For those that don't know it was written by Steven pollock in 1974. So, it far predates the famous, and painful pf tek.
The yields are low. 5 grams is about average for a single jar. But, given the absurd simplicity and sterility, i would think it would at least be used occasionally.
Back in 2012, this was my go-to method. Of course monos were fun too, but for small-medium amounts it is a great option.
I feel as though this should be recommended to noobs over pf tek with all its complicated equipment and painstaking prep. It almost can't be messed up. I had good luck going as lazy as open air inoculation by scraping spores from an old print.
Let me not forget, not only noobs should find it attractive. Due to the fact that the entire grow is self contained, it leaves little room for contamination. This makes it a good way to get clean mushrooms for prints and clones.
Does anyone have any input about the method in question?
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25927554 - 04/10/19 07:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You talking about in vitro growing in jars? I think the Mckenna brothers published this method in cultivation book pre 1974 but might have been right around the same time.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25927567 - 04/10/19 07:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, and a quick run down for those unfamiliar
2oz brown rice and 3oz water are added to a quart jar. The jar is sterilized for 90 minutes with inverted lid. Inoculate, and wait. MS inoculation colonized in ~3 weeks, and lid is loosened.Allow thejars to see some light. Pins beginforming in 1-2 weeks. After harvesting the cake can be rehydrated by adding a small amount of water to the jar for several hours.
That's literally all there is to it.
Yes sh4dows. It is an invitro grow. You may be correct that the McKennas published it first. I believe they had a more complex method though. I wasn't a big fan of theirs though, so i am not intimately familiar with their work. I do know that it was first written about in 1974 at the latest
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25927572 - 04/10/19 07:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates] 2
#25927573 - 04/10/19 07:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: mushboy]
#25927586 - 04/10/19 07:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Soccrates said: I can't seem to find much in regards to this tek on the forums here. I wonder why that is?
because you didnt use the search feature
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?forum%5B%5D=&words=invitro+fruiting&namebox=&expert=1&replybox=&how=all&where=body&tosearch=both&newerval=&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=y&minwords=&maxwords=&image=1&limit=25&sort=r&way=d&showmain=1
Yeah, I sure did. There's maybe 10 threads relating to it, none of which have substantial input.
Fruiting pf cakes and cased grains in glass is a far cry from the simplicity here. There's lots of ways to grow in jars, but none of that is as simple as put water+rice in jar,pc,wait.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Enkidu]
#25927592 - 04/10/19 07:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enkidu said:
I think bod has one
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864
Idk man. The pf tek seems pretty simple. Maybe do a write up and post results and people will try it. Pics..?
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates] 1
#25927604 - 04/10/19 08:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: water+rice in jar,pc,wait.
'wait'
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: mushboy]
#25927622 - 04/10/19 08:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Soccrates said: water+rice in jar,pc,wait.
'wait'

I use fried rice with that tek.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: mushboy]
#25927641 - 04/10/19 08:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Soccrates said: water+rice in jar,pc,wait.
'wait'

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Re: The quart jar way [Re: mushboy]
#25950679 - 04/23/19 11:04 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: water+rice in jar,pc,wait.
'wait'

Yep. Wait. That's about the extent of it. Loosen the lid when colonized. Dunk I between flushes. No birthing, no spawning, no casing required. I never had to fan, or mist.
I got the same yield as pf cakes, minus all the effort in much less time. I mean i know it's not the best way, but it's damn sure the easiest. And it is sufficient to provide a reasonable personal amount with next to no effort
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25950682 - 04/23/19 11:07 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: You talking about in vitro growing in jars? I think the Mckenna brothers published this method in cultivation book pre 1974 but might have been right around the same time.
You were talking about oss and oeric? Yeah they predated the pollock book, but it was a significantly more involved process
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25950704 - 04/23/19 11:20 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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PF tek is good for testing cloned strains and LCs but for the effort and investment it's quarts or bust all the way. Two quarts of grain in a 20 quart sterilite will mop the floor with a whole case of PF cakes.
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I found pf tek to be an absurd waste of effort.
I found monos to be...excessive, to say the least. Fun, easy enough, but damn that was a lot of shrooms
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25950727 - 04/23/19 11:37 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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File under good problems.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25950730 - 04/23/19 11:41 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah. I just don't understand for the time, effort and risk involved why someone wouldn't just run a mini mono instead of cakes. If you are in a position that you can't hide a 2 cubic foot tub small fan and led light then you probably shouldn't be growing cubes, bottom line.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Mr Piggy]
#25950737 - 04/23/19 11:45 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here’s how bod does it, it the second one on his list of simplified cultivation methods which are some of the most recommend teks on this site https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Mr Piggy]
#25950743 - 04/23/19 11:50 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not really a problem, of course.
But just unnecessary, unless you are trying to supply a large amount of people.
Not saying i wouldn't do it, or that its not worth it. But personally, i like less opportunities to mess up.
I only ever did one bulk grow. A ms grow with 2nd generation oak ridge print on 4 quarts of rice and 5 pounds of horse poo gave me around 5 oz dry on the first flush. After that i was like...wtf am i gonna do with all this? And i just buried it outside. A month or so later it reached the surface and i was getting another 3 or 4 grams every day for a month or so. There was one badass that came to a half ounce, even though the damn slugs got to it first
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: SFS96]
#25950756 - 04/23/19 11:56 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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SFS96 said: Here’s how bod does it, it the second one on his list of simplified cultivation methods which are some of the most recommend teks on this site https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24981864&page=0&vc=1#24981864
I like bod's work. I wish those would have been around in 09. Would have made life a lot simpler. But that's basically just a well written version of the pf tek with a spawning option added in.
Whole rice colonizes quicker, and doesn't require mixing or worrying about moisture content, or properly packing the substrate. Measure and pour. You could have new unopened supplies and have your pc going in 5 minutes
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Professor X said: Yeah. I just don't understand for the time, effort and risk involved why someone wouldn't just run a mini mono instead of cakes. If you are in a position that you can't hide a 2 cubic foot tub small fan and led light then you probably shouldn't be growing cubes, bottom line.
Who said I was hiding them? They go on the tv. Makes a nice display item. Much more attractive than a tub.
The effort is my point, grains are a bitch. Maybe I just need practice, but the prep takes a lot of time and effort.
I will agree about the risk. But, if you run a nice monotub and harvest 8 oz of shrooms, well now you have 8 oz of shrooms. That's quite illegal as well. You're gonna have a much harder time convincing them you aren't a dealer. Honestly though, the risk is quite minimal if you aren't an asshat
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25950799 - 04/23/19 12:16 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Big fan of whole brown rice over here too. On my first ever grow and despite only steam sterilising at the beginning and with a lot of noob fuck ups, I've had a fairly minimal contam rate. I have access to vermiculite now so I'm giving pf tek a go too but I'm pretty happy with the results and simplicity of wbr thus far.
Got my first pins couple days ago and I'm fucking excited
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25950806 - 04/23/19 12:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe I did this wrong, but I tried this with a few jars for the fun of it, I didn't have any success.
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Soccrates said: Oh, and a quick run down for those unfamiliar
2oz brown rice and 3oz water are added to a quart jar. The jar is sterilized for 90 minutes with inverted lid. Inoculate, and wait. MS inoculation colonized in ~3 weeks, and lid is loosened.Allow thejars to see some light. Pins beginforming in 1-2 weeks. After harvesting the cake can be rehydrated by adding a small amount of water to the jar for several hours.
That's literally all there is to it.
Yes sh4dows. It is an invitro grow. You may be correct that the McKennas published it first. I believe they had a more complex method though. I wasn't a big fan of theirs though, so i am not intimately familiar with their work. I do know that it was first written about in 1974 at the latest
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: goffa]
#25950819 - 04/23/19 12:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really?
Since it's only been 2 weeks, I'm gonna guess you got contamination or no germination. It hasn't been long enough for othe problems to have arisen.
Idk, i have had success scraping a spore print over the jars on my kitchen table
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25950853 - 04/23/19 01:00 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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It has actually been a month. I made up my batch before the original post. I was using a tek I saw on reddit a while back.
A couple of jars were contam, a couple were no germination. You were correct in those assumptions.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: goffa]
#25950891 - 04/23/19 01:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh. I got the impression you did it because of this thread.
It's hard to blame contamination on the grains though. At this point it almost has to be improper sterilization, or bad inoculation.
Idk about the germination thing though. Maybe bad spores? Did they work elsewhere? Or perhaps the water content was too low. I've seen a few different ratios of rice/water for using whole rice so maybe you were on the dry side and then evaporated too much during sterilization is the only thing that makes sense if the spores were viable. They will germinate on pretty much anything moist and warm even if only to immediately die
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: goffa]
#25950892 - 04/23/19 01:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I personally am not concerned about risks. It's a grey area where I live. I was just making a point about investment plus risk vs. Rewards, no need to call names or accuse others of childish behavior.
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Sorry, no offense meant. It was definitely not directed at you, or anyone in particular I just mean, it's not like weed that smells up the whole house and requires a big light, the only thing that would give you away is if you were to do something stupid like go around bragging about your clandestine grow op.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25951787 - 04/23/19 09:03 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I might give it another shot. Rice is pretty cheap.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: goffa]
#25951998 - 04/23/19 11:40 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would. Something must have been wrong. I never had a failed batch, and I didn't even know what I was doing at first.
Pollock, who (afaik) originally Authored the tek recommended inoculation via agar. This would of course be beneficial. Though it detracts from the simplicity. And in the 70s they weren't going online the nice clean cultured spores we do. Would have been a dirty print they found growing wild.
He also, for the record didn't specify the 3 oz of water I said. His instructions stated 1/3 to 1/2 cup water and 1/4 cup rice.
Trial had led me to 3 oz. More water may lead to better germination, but slower growth as the rice will become mushier and more solid a water increases.
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Re: The quart jar way [Re: Soccrates]
#25952075 - 04/24/19 02:08 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Huh... I jst skimmed over this thread and havent done any research about it yet, but i dnt see why brown? rice couldnt be used in place of oats or rye berries as grain spawn.
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It can. it tends to stick together, so shaking isn't possible. You could precook rinse and add gypsum. If you get it right it canbe shaken, but at that point it would just be easier to use other grains
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