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#25925194 - 04/09/19 02:46 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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JOC PAN TEKI get tons of messages and questions in threads regarding my tek for pans. While most of this info is already scattered among my other posts I'm going to put it all together so I can just send ppl here. So if your here then HI  I'm not going to go into much detail with the agar work as there are already tons of threads on them. I germ to malt\peptone (both will work although I find peptone more consistent) and then look for the fastest growing sections. You do not want to look for the thickest growth as often times the thick growths overlay later on, fast whispy growth is what you want. If you are having issues with a culture on agar (stalling/failing to germ) you can get high tek with ur agar. as of now my favorite recipe for dealing with stubborn cultures is as follows 1000ml distilled water (1000g) 8g malt extract .5g peptone .3g yeast 18g agar 4g potato starch (Optional below) .3 g ammonium citrate .2 g thiamine .2g magnesium phosphate   Once you have a good looking dish you have a few options. You can make LC and directly inoculate your sterile bulk let colonize break down in tray then allow a few days to re-consolodate then case. This works great I have no problems with it and I always do a few of them along side my G2B's, but I have noticed a slightly lower yield as the later flushes on my sterile trays are not as thick on average (this is only across about 20-30 trays so not a fact but it does seem to be a pattern) but were talking a 20% decrease at most not terrible. I however mostly inoculate grain spawn with the dish themselves. I like to see the culture I am using, (I will use lc if my grain came out too dry tho). For Grain I have used several different things: - Straight Rye berries works good pans seem to like it ok however they tend to take on excess moisture more so than other grains resulting in stalls.
- Oats and Millet this works good sometimes although oats can be hit or miss some bags will just continually conatam and stall no matter what i do. even if the gourmets eat it up the pans often stall.
- Rye and Millet this is my Fav atm for pans. 25% rye 75% millet. cold soak for 24 hours in a bucket then pour that bucket into a strainer bucket and let it strain over night and some of the next day ( occasionally stir the grain around until all the suface moisture is the same (pretty much dry). then load pc and sterilize.
Once fully colonized the growth may look very fine and whispy or it might be a little thicker. Both are good but you don't want marshmallow looking myc. it will bruise in the jar (don't mistake it for contamination) Bulk prepFor the pans I see a lot of recipes out there calling for 80% and up dung. This is completely unneeded and actually depending on the consistency of the dung your using would be too thick and cause your pans to go anaerobic. If your manure is perfectly aged and dried and is super light and fluffy you will have no problems with these ratios. However I often hear from people that they cannot get good aged manure, so far my recipe has worked with several diff quality manure however IME grass fed sun dried pile cooked cow manure works the best. . They say pans are dung loving, but I think that they are really just grass loving and the manure helps the fungi absorb the nutes from the grass. So, by cutting straw into my dung it appears to still have that affect when you cut grass (straw) into it. Everything I have read says people experienced diminished yields when they dropped below 60% dung, but i use only 35% and get a average of 2.75oz dry a tray (3 "flushes") so clearly they are getting the nutes required. Anyway here is the recipe: - 65% chopped straw (no need to pre hydrate)
- 35% manure
- 5% verm
- 1/2 cup gypsum (optional)
- Mix in water and bring to field capacity
The next step I believe is integral to getting all the way to 3 flushes with pasteurized bulk.When you pasteurize something you are trying to knock back any contams while leaving the microbes alive. The microbes act as a immune system of sorts for the substrate. Now, these microbes start to die off at about 170F and you need to maintain a bulk CORE temp of 160-168F for at least a hour. So to do this without ever exceeding 170F it takes a few hours, which if your trying to do this on a stove top can be taxing and use a lot of energy. So! I use a electric rice cooker/pressure cooker i load my bulk in and set to keep warm mode which holds a perfect 162F i set it for 12 hours and go to bed. The next day I take it out and set on shelf in Lab for the microbe count to Build. I prefer to use bulk that is at least 5 days old. The longer I wait the lower my chances of contams. I have noticed this very consistently for about a year now. Then I load the bulk and colonized spawn into the trays at a ratio of 1:4. I mix it all together then put a fine layer of bulk on top to cover up any visible mycelium on the surface. Then I put the lid on and incubate 7-10 days. Casing This step is simple but very important to get right. the recipe is easy You need to then balance your ph to 7.5. (HL is fine) When you apply the casing you want to be sure that you spread it as thin as possible! You will still see myc poking thru. Give it 12 hours to consolidate after casing, and place into FC: JOC Martha aka JarthaThe aspect of this tek that really makes it a "JOC" tek is the cycling of your chambers humidity. Pans love evaporation taking place on the surface of the substrate. Not only does it induce pinning but it encourages the fruits to grow bigger fuller and thicker. To achieve this evaporation you need 2 things: FAE and heat. Once you crank up the temp you will notice your sub will quickly dry out, and while you can hand mist several times a day to keep it going before the pins arrive u once they do if you mist them you will kill them. This means you must water by hand with a syringe and if your cranking your evap you will be hand watering all day lol. So the way the jartha works is the fogger kicks on filling the tent. Then, while the fogger is still running, I have the fan (a bathroom fan down low than sucks air in thru the hepa filter mounted to the top of the tent) set to kick on so that it drags the fog down into the casings of the trays (the fogger is also up top feeding down). Then the fogger kicks off and the fan continues to run for 45 seconds to 1min (I'm constantly adjusting times slightly as the room rh changes) pulling in a bunch of hot dry air into the tent down across the trays and leaving the tent a dry hot place. This is when most of your evaporation takes place. The tent will sit like this for about 10 min then the fogger will kick back on and the re-hydration stage starts up and the cycle repeats. now I can crank my evap and it waters itself without frying my fruits.       Everything . Material List - Green house tent
=1557513327&s=gateway&sr=8- 12 head house of hydro fogger in a tote that feeds 2 tents)
- Drip tray $10
- Sum hosing $10,
- Bathroom fan $16
- Honeywell fan hepa filter
- Velcro
- Duct tape (I use gorilla tape but ill call it DT)
- Plastic wrap.
- LED light strips multi spectrum is $50 the white $35
- A plug to hardwire the bathroom fan to if it does not come with a plug (often don't)
- You will probaly need sum extension cords and a powerstrip
Assembly Procedure- To start lay out a piece of plastic wrap and then set your tent on top.
- Fold the plastic up around all four sides of then and seal with duct tape.
- Cut the plastic wrap so it and drop down in front where the tent zipper door is, then use the adhesive Velcro to put it up and down as you need to access then tent. (This makes sure that when then fan kicks on most of your air is sucked in thru the filter, and it also keeps your fog from escaping.)
- Next you need to attach the bathroom fan to the bottom of the tent so its pulling air. Trace it, cut a square, duct tape it in place.
- Then trace and cut the hepa filter in up top and seal with DT.
- Then lift the entire jartha up and set it on the drip tray. (This just protects your floors and helps keep bugs out.)
- Then take the strip lights and attach them to the bottoms of the shelves and the top of tent.
- Then cut your hosing so it comes up out of your humidifier and shoots down into the top of the tent ( i have the o2 condesner hosed into the fogger system but thats extra).
  Aside: Kratom loves the enviroment in the Jartha and clones do well on the bottom shelf that i dont use anyway because its so close to the ground. JOC Pano tub system This tek fallows the same concept as the martha except the system is connected to mono tubs. This design works incredibly, so much so that I stopped using it because I just did not need that much  . my wife and a few other family members use it as medicine. It can handle up to 6 116 qt tubs. I have 2 stacks of 3 tubs on either side of a center tub that has been fitted with a fogger and bathroom fan (blowing in). The fogger is so you can adjust the humidity of your dry air coming in because with these if your not careful you will fry your fruits. (I think its because it is a smaller, even more controlled system, than the jartha.) This is your air handling system. Off of this center tub are 3 hoses on either side which lead into high side of your tubs. Use a 2.5 gallon water jug and attach it to the humidifier (same model as the jartha). Off of it i have 6 hoses leading into each tub right next to the air line. I do have holes cut down low on the mono tubs but instead of polyfill i use vent filters. This is just so the air and fog can go down into the surface and out the sides. I also had my oxygen condenser feeding my fogger lines, but other than that it runs the same as the jartha. The cycle timers are set to do the same cycling within the tubs now not all these pictures are of the final design. It took lots of prototypes and modding mistakes and do overs to get it just right but the description above is def the best version. I would take more pictures of it but it is disassembled atm.  
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25925223 - 04/09/19 03:01 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell yeah im glad you posted this bro now I have a better idea of what I need to do now, my only problem I already mounted my fan up top and was going to put filter at the bottom, will it work this way?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SFS96] 1
#25925227 - 04/09/19 03:04 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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SFS96 said: Hell yeah im glad you posted this bro now I have a better idea of what I need to do now, my only problem I already mounted my fan up top and was going to put filter at the bottom, will it work this way?
Mmmmm prolly not the dragging the fog down into ur surface is a big part of it. Otherwise you’re going to find yourself doing some hand watering it will still work I made this same mistake at one point alsoBut it’s definitely worth it to correct it
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25925233 - 04/09/19 03:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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For sure I was going based off your old Martha setup lol I already mounted the fans but I’ll change my setup thanks
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#25925248 - 04/09/19 03:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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SFS96 said: For sure I was going based off your old Martha setup lol I already mounted the fans but I’ll change my setup thanks
Lol yeah sry about that. Working all this out has been a process And I have posted all along the way so I wanted to make a final compilation of what I believe is my finished design
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25925298 - 04/09/19 03:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great write up, thanks!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SunnyDayze] 1
#25925317 - 04/09/19 03:46 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome work! How do you test the pH on your casing?
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ShaperDreaming said: Awesome work! How do you test the pH on your casing?
Thanks everyone! I use a rapid test ph wand. I also have the strips for the fulvic acid/water solution
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 2
#25925437 - 04/09/19 05:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice write up man! Bookmarked and added to my collection of "legends of pans"
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Asura] 1
#25925519 - 04/09/19 05:50 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bookmarked Jake thanks for spending the time to write it up.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Grimsweeper] 1
#25925570 - 04/09/19 06:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Boy did I need this...got pans 100% colonized. On to spawning to bulk.
Thanks a ton Jake!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Subfinder] 1
#25925925 - 04/09/19 10:45 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is great ! My agar is looking good and I’ve been planning a similar setup based off your help Jakeoncid !
I just got a ultrasonic single disk fogger I’m rigging with a small fan to run a one tub setup! I’m doing a smaller setup but once it’s all put together I’ll update some pics!
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#25925936 - 04/09/19 11:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for writing this Jake! I was one of those people asking you a lot of questions haha
Anyhow awesome write up and a lot of good info!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke] 1
#25926476 - 04/10/19 08:59 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Many thanks Jake for this outstanding writeup! This is going to help us a lot when we build our own JOC Martha!
You make growing Panaeolus look easy, even though I know it won't be 
Thanks for everything you do for mush cult, helping us out and teaching us!
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#25927097 - 04/10/19 03:13 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Bumholio] 2
#25927601 - 04/10/19 08:01 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone! Also I should note that a good starting place for your timers is Fogger 3min on 10 min off Fan 3 min on 9 min off Start your fan on the 2 min mark after your fogger comes on that will creat a repeating cycle.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25929164 - 04/11/19 04:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Jake I was looking at Air innovations humidifiers but my concern is some may not cycle 'on' with a repeat cycle timer but just turn the power on. Have you had any trouble, which one do you have?
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#25929192 - 04/11/19 04:12 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Grimsweeper said: Hey Jake I was looking at Air innovations humidifiers but my concern is some may not cycle 'on' with a repeat cycle timer but just turn the power on. Have you had any trouble, which one do you have?

So, this is off the $40 one on Amazon, which looks like it has a dial. From my understanding these are the ones you want with automated hydro...emers? Fuck whatever they are that regulate the RH%. So that way when the power turns "ON" then it's already set to just blow the water vapor. Right?
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Yup those are what I have yeah you set the dial to the correct strength and every time the timer kicks on so does it
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25929330 - 04/11/19 05:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool man I think I've finally justified the usefulness of what I like to cult enough for a GH. Shaper how you like the inkbird?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25929842 - 04/12/19 01:36 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great tek Jake! Just got my first pan spores. Can't wait to get set up.
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Grimsweeper said: Shaper how you like the inkbird?
The inkbird is super great/easy. It worked exactly as I expected it too. The settings are a bit tricky since everything is abbreviated and I have to check the chart for what it means, but that's the worst of it. Set and forget after I installed it. (lol, installed, plugged it in)
The full martha I have set up... well that's still something I'm seeing how it works still.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Deadhead410] 1
#25930784 - 04/12/19 02:57 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're killing it. Good job man!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Lyh] 1
#25934918 - 04/14/19 07:01 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Jake, nice writeup!
Im curious do you grow anything else in there at the same time as pans. I want to grow some edibles in there, not needing to dedicate a whole martha to pans.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: d0urd3n] 1
#25934966 - 04/14/19 07:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most edibles like cooler temperatures and your oysters are going to put out such a large spore load it will likely contaminate your trays it’s best to separate gourmets and give them their own Martha
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25934974 - 04/14/19 07:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't try oysters. Was thinking more along the lines of enoki or something. Just curious, no big deal. If I try it I'll post back.
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#25935009 - 04/14/19 08:04 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah I if the temp rang matches it should work I. I like to keep a few marthas for different things but that is one of the highlights of a martha being able to run multiple trays of different stuff
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25935210 - 04/14/19 10:19 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the very informative post
I've been building a similar set up for a while. Can you tell me what kind of light that is? All the multi spectrum LED lights I'm looking through are really high wattage.
What's up with the kratom? are you just making clones?
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#25935261 - 04/14/19 11:10 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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zxcv101 said: Thanks for the very informative post
I've been building a similar set up for a while. Can you tell me what kind of light that is? All the multi spectrum LED lights I'm looking through are really high wattage.
What's up with the kratom? are you just making clones?
the lights in the tents I got from home depot they come in a pack with 6 strips and some connectors a remote a receiver and transformer. for now im trying to make as many clones as i can my plan is to get a green house up by fall.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25935341 - 04/15/19 12:47 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a great idea with the current legal climate on kratom. I have never tried fresh leaf. How does it compare to dried?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: zxcv101] 1
#25942058 - 04/18/19 05:31 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is awesome I've been looking to build a greenhouse and start growing pans. Do you know what the CFM rating of your fan is? I have a ton of fans laying around so id hate to buy another one.
One more question. What would be the difference in just putting the humidifier in the greenhouse itself? I am guessing just the angle that its blowing in since its coming from the top?
Cant wait to build one and start some pans I actually just put some spores to agar today!
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#25942096 - 04/18/19 05:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Legend21 said: This is awesome I've been looking to build a greenhouse and start growing pans. Do you know what the CFM rating of your fan is? I have a ton of fans laying around so id hate to buy another one.
One more question. What would be the difference in just putting the humidifier in the greenhouse itself? I am guessing just the angle that its blowing in since its coming from the top?
Cant wait to build one and start some pans I actually just put some spores to agar today!
Thanks man, I’m not sure what the cfm is but they are just Standard bathroom fart fans. Putting the humidifier inside the tent causes a couple problems one the humidity (Eric) tends to sink down so it takes longer for a humidifier download to fill the whole tent. Even if you put it up top one not only are you using up prime gross space but most humidifiers are not designed to be in a super high humidity environments now if you have a fogger desk and it’s designed for high humidity I suppose that would work but the humidifiers like the ones I use would break if I exposed to the electrical components to high humidity for extended periods of time. Also a big part of what makes this system work is the fan dragging the fog down into the casing of the trays this works best if the Van is down low pulling air in through a filter a pie which is next to the humidifier feeding in. I’ve had it set up several different ways during the process of designing this tech and it definitely makes a big difference how are you have it designed. My first design used a HEPA filter fan blowing in through the top with the humidifier coming into the side of the tent I could not grow hardly anything in it even cubes did not do that well so design is very important.
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#25942213 - 04/18/19 06:50 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool I’m going to build it exactly as you did. One last question for you what do you use to measure your humidity levels?
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Jake is it possible that 12 hours can be too long for doing casing in a slow cooker? I've had 3 out of 4 tubs (so far) go bad on me. It could be because I didn't get the temp up high enough (I did it on low and it got to about 60c) or could have been I didn't let the casing sit a few days before using it or did it actually get sterilized from being in the cooker for 12 hours
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I would test and see what temp your getting in it of you want to have a core temp of 160 for at least a hour as long as the temp doesn’t exceed 170 you can run longer I run some subs for 16hrs. Usually it’s ur spawn causing the problems
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I'd agree that its usually the spawn, but it was odd that the tubs went bad just a couple of days after they were cased. Although theres still one tub that's ok, so maybe it is.
I've done another lot of casing. Did it on medium and it got to 68c (154f) in the centre. I'll see how that goes.
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Jake,
You stated you use rye and millet. Is the millet unhulled? If so, where to obtain unhulled millet?
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Yeah it whole white Millet I get it from local horse feed store. I’m now doing 50% Millet 35% rye 15% steam crimped oats
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Jakeoncid419 said: Yeah it whole white Millet I get it from local horse feed store. I’m now doing 50% Millet 35% rye 15% steam crimped oats
Thanks for the quick reply. Another question: what is your grain prep technique? Adding dry grains and water to jars and then pc'ing or other?
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Never mind I see the cold soak for 24 hrs
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One more question: what the majority of the spawn being millet and crimped oats, how long are you PC'ing your jars?
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Thx for the last answer, just got some millet and they are soaking with the rye berries now.
Do you use all the shelves for the pan trays or do you have another strategy for tray placement? I am seeing varying humidity levels between the shelves and I am wondering if the fog should blow directly on the trays.
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I'm about to start pans and follow this to a t wish me luck
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Sry gets some how missed ur question yes I stagger the trays so one tray doesn’t get more fog than other also I’ll rotate their placement you will learn different spots are better for different stages of life.
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Hey man! Awesome write-up, getting geared up to have a go myself. I had a go at a martha setup some years ago, but circumstances proved unworkable and I haven't had the chance to try again since...
I do have a couple more questions:
I have a reptifogger, I see you have used them but not for the martha, is it not powerful enough? I could easily get another.
What are you using for timers? I can only find mechanical ones with 15 minute segments or digital ones with limited program allowances. I have a zoo med hygro therm but I'm assumimg that it's incapable of achieving the automation cycle laid out here.
Are your substrate quantities percentage by volume?
Can you clarify your suggested grain spawn to substrate ratio?
Would agar with just malt and dextrose be ok? Would you suggest definitely including yeast? I'd rather work without peptone and potato starch as they're not so easy to come by and I'm not super worried about substrate longevity, I'm still waiting on my first Pan fruits (cannot wait to get blasted by them). Last time I cultured I bought pre-poured rye agar, my print seemed to be clean and quality though, never had problems with spawn except with LCs.
I haven't the means to create automated pasturisation equipment, would 160F for 2 hours on the stove suffice? How do you feel about microwaving? (Not my style bit if it's effective I would be willing to give it a go)
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Right on man The timers are called repeat cycle timers (amazon) Malt will work just more cultures stall for me on just malt but it will work fine. 1:4 ratio 2 hours (core temp) Microwave not for pasteurization.
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Damn, thanks for a quick reply! I don't know what I was thinking with the microwave question, I was half asleep when I wrote that post. I'll try my luck and let you know how it goes; Tasmanian Pans from Hawkseye (where I discovered this tek!), I'll be sure to print. Good luck with the Liberty Caps, I'm excited to see how it turns out...
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great write up and break down to your JOC TEK and its especially beautiful that you included in the write up JOC pan tub tek which is super helpful and i appreciate your attention to detail bro vs. how a lot of people that end up posting extremely vague instructions on a tek then they wonder why they get so many questions or angry responses.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: HrafnaFloki]
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What size hosing did you use and where’s you get it? I got the same humidifier as you and plan on following the same exact thing you do. Im guessing any hardware store. I found some wire cord organizer tubing but idk the diameter of it.
Also what’s the reasoning behind cycling so often? I know some people only do like 1 minute fan cycles every forty minutes. I see you’re doing it every few minutes.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Legend21]
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The hose is 1 1/4 spa hosing (Home Depot) The cycling is to keep the case constantly evaporating & rehydrating. The fogger kicks on filling tent with fog Then halfway through it three minute run cycle my fans kick on pulling air in through the top of the tent and dragging the fog down into the surface of the trays. Then halfway through the fans cycle of three minutes the fogger kicks off and the fan continues to run for another minute and a half feeling that tent with dry hot air it then shuts off then the freshly hydrated casing where evaporates over the next 10 minutes before the cycle starts again my intervals are set as such because I am maximizing of my evaporation. As far as I can tell I’m at the max out for what my fans & foggers can handle but it more than enough. I’ve tried pushing it farther But you usually end up over driving or over a hydrating and ruining your flush.
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Thanks for answering all of those questions. I have one last question. Did you remove that little 360 degree turning swivel from your humidifier before putting the tube in? Or just slap it on top of that?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Legend21]
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Remove, & np brother glad to help
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Hello Jake!
In your op where you explain the tub system there are a few things that I'm not getting. There is talk of a humidifier, a fogger and a oxygen condenser: are these three words for the same thing or are they three separate units that do different things?
Out of the description I would think that a fogger is not a humidifier? This is where my English lets me down..
We have no room for a martha unfortunately, so I'm trying to devise a small version of your tub setup. Not giving up on growing Pans!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Tweeq]
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Fogger and humidifiers are the same thing. The Oxygen condenser is something different however it is not needed I am just experimenting with in Riched oxygen environment however so far I’ve found that high evaporation is more important. When doing the tub design the most important thing is to pay attention to the Thermo dynamics within your tub like the Martha you want your cycling system to force the fog down into the casing then suck him dry air and allow it to evaporate then repeat
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Jakeoncid419 said: Fogger and humidifiers are the same thing. The Oxygen condenser is something different however it is not needed I am just experimenting with in Riched oxygen environment however so far I’ve found that high evaporation is more important. When doing the tub design the most important thing is to pay attention to the Thermo dynamics within your tub like the Martha you want your cycling system to force the fog down into the casing then suck him dry air and allow it to evaporate then repeat
Ah. Thank you for explaining that Jake. I was confused af about that.
I'll have to get everything scaled down to smaller proportions bc I don't want to do six of those giant tubs at once. I'll have to McGyver something that is gonna be a LOT smaller, like 2 small tubs unstead of six large ones.. The gf is hung up on the space factor although I think a Martha is pretty space efficient already.
Well, there is still time as I have no LC brewing atm. Still looking for good fast growth on my ms Pan dishes
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Tweeq]
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Very cool. Yeah you can scale it down pretty easily. I still would instal a Expansion chamber because it allows the fog to adjust to the same temperature as the room so you don’t get a bunch of condensation buildup inside of your tub
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I just started chopping some straw, it’s my first time working with it.
Kind of hard to guess field capacity with the straw but hopefully I got it right. How small do you usually chop your straw up? Yeah
This is what I got as of right now

Idk if that straw is too big.
I measured the percentages in quarts so 2.6 quarts of straw 1.2 or so of poo and .2 of verm Simon for four quarts of sub for my one quart of spawn.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Legend21]
#26117840 - 07/19/19 12:10 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I cut it up as fine as I can but that will work also the more you cut it up with the easier a time you’re going to have maintaining consistent moisture. I don’t bother pre-hydrating my straw I mix it in with everything else and then bring all of it to field capacity at once
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Yeah that’s what I tried doing with this is bringing it all to field capacity at once. I was going to cut it smaller but thought somewhere along the line I read 1-2 inches
So in the future if I used a blender that wouldn’t be too fine for the straw? I appreciate you always helping man!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Legend21]
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Yup blender is fine, I actually found these bales of fine chopped straw at the local feed store they are $25 a bale but a bale lasts a good while
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Awesome so it doesn’t matter how fine it is. Thanks man next time I’ll do the straw in smaller chunks. Probably could add more straw this go around since I didn’t pack it in when I measured.
Do you usually add a quart of spawn plus your four quarts of substrate all into one tray?
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Yeah it’s about that I don’t measure my bulk in the jars I make 2 1/2 gallon Ziploc bags and eyeball it by hand as I fill the tray but yes 1 quart jar to a tray and the ratio looks about 1:4. Keep ur sub under 3”. The thicker the sub (max out 3.25) the more flushes you will get it however it is also more difficult to get full pin sets you really gotta crank the cycling full blast and unless everything is on the sane time table (which it never is) this can cause some problems. if you go thin (around 2 inches) it’s easier to get a good flush but you usually only get one
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Anyway here is the recipe:
- 65% chopped straw (no need to pre hydrate)
- 35% manure
- 5% verm
- 1/2 cup gypsum (optional)
- Mix in water and bring to field capacity
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Legend21]
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They Don’t have to be exact just an approximation
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Are you still using fulvic acid instead of lime?
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No not for the pans, I noticed to difference (except cost) just as long as ur ph is 7-7.5
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Amazing write up!!
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Well I've been saying I was gonna make one of these for a while and I finally did. But I forgot the damn Velcro lmao
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Hi man, I hope you don't mind but I have a few questions regarding your set-up:
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The next day I take it out and set on shelf in Lab for the microbe count to Build.
Do you let the substrate sit in sealed ziplock bags? Or can it be sat in unsealed bags? I would imagine sealed bags with no filter will cause the substrate to go anaerobic no? Or do unsealed bags allow contaminants to take hold?
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Then the fogger kicks off and the fan continues to run for 45 seconds to 1min (I'm constantly adjusting times slightly as the room rh changes)
I'm going to be setting up in a small empty bedroom, I've been concerned about the potential of moisture buildup in the room, so I will be using a dehumidifier outside of the automated FC setup, I was thinking that maybe this could prevent you from having to monitor and adjust the automation to suit the RH of the room, seeing as a dehumidifier, in theory, should maintain a constant RH regardless of ambient condition of the weather etc. What do you think to this?
Ragarding your Pano Tub TEK, I'm a little confused by the description, and seeing as the images supplied show a variety of setups, I'm a little worried about getting my setup to a point where I know for certain that it conforms to your specifications. I've drawn a small diagram of what I think the Pano Tub TEK is supposed to look like based on the description and images given (bearing in mind that I will NOT be using an air condenser):

The small arrows pointing from the side of each tub represent the air leaving through the filters above the level of the substrate.
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I have 2 stacks of 3 tubs on either side of a center tub that has been fitted with a fogger and bathroom fan (blowing in).
Do you not filter the air that is blown into the 'expansion chamber'? I was thinking of finding a way to use a HEPA filter before the fan, but I'm sure I read on this thread that you were having poor yields when using a filter for the Pano Tub system.
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I have 2 stacks of 3 tubs on either side of a center tub that has been fitted with a fogger and bathroom fan (blowing in).
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This is your air handling system. Off of this center tub are 3 hoses on either side which lead into high side of your tubs. Use a 2.5 gallon water jug and attach it to the humidifier (same model as the jartha). Off of it i have 6 hoses leading into each tub right next to the air line.
So are you saying here that you have BOTH the centre tub and this other 2.5 gallon jug fitted to humidifiers/foggers? Thus the jug is like a second 'expansion chamber'? If this is the case, how do you regulate the final RH in the FCs? Do you aim for a particular RH for the hot air entering the middle tub and then adjust the additional humidity line direct to the FCs by directly monitoring the RH in the FCs?
I have a hygrometer for fogger switching, do you think if I measured the final RH in one FC it could be assumed that it would match the other 5? Thus using the on hygrotherm to trigger the fogger on the humidity humidity lines, maintaining the correct RH across all 6 FCs?
Here is another diagram according to this setup description:

Please take a look and let me know if I'm getting the right or wrong idea.
I've got some cultures going from a print and I'm about to do my first transfers to clean up (this is my second attempt as my first culture was a bit of a mess and I went straight to grain with stalling across all jars, my grain may have also been a bit too wet - rye & millet). Here's some pictures, I'll do my plate transfers in a few days when my new dishes arrive (I pre-pour agar to borosillicate plates before PCing as I won't be working on a big enough scale to justify PCing a large agar batch then pouring to plates - it's convenient and as far as I'm aware, totally secure as I PC the plates inside plastic freezer bags that create a vacuum seal when cooked, so when the plates come out they're sterile and vacuum sealed!). I wanted to share some pictures of my cultures as the spore print I'm using I had tried to re-hydrate due to it having been stored in a freezer for 3/4 years. I used sterile water but there is still a good chance I caused some contamination in the process, as the first time I cultured these spores to agar the culture looked so perfect, but on these attempts there seems to be some surface wrinkling being caused between the mycelial mat and the upper surface of the agar. I'm sure it's just down to the process of the myceilum feeding on the agar, but I'm still unfamiliar with this and would like some reassurance that the culture would likely be viable after 2 transfers to clean up prior to colonising grain. Anybody feel free to chime in; sorry for the photos too, I had the wrong micro pore tape and had to go OTT with it to ensure the petri dishes were closed securely.





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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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yeah I went thru several designs before I found one I liked the best. the most optimal setup had a bathroom fan pull air in thru a heap into a sterlite container (expansion chamber A) then feeding into the otherside is your fogger equipted with a check valve so the fan doesn't backfeed your fogger. hoses branch off of this chamber and feed into your grow tubs. this is your fae system. I found that with the tubs you still want to slightly hydrate the air or you will fry fruits (this is because the tub is also getting fae thru your cut outs) . then you have another smaller expansion chamber ( I like the 2.5 gal water jugs) this is your rehydration system. its is fed with a fogger then branches off into your grow tubs. you then cycle these to systems just like on the tent set up. I had little rh gauges in the tubs but really you will learn to just look at your sub and see how it needs adjusted.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26154687 - 08/27/19 02:59 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Jake, Just wondering if this pan Cam growth looks good to you mate?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: YarnDi]
#26160112 - 08/30/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let's see how it goes
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: YarnDi]
#26160719 - 08/30/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yup culture looks good from here, and the tent looks food also! Excellent work! What size fan you got on there? Looks smaller than mine but I should still work you man just have slightly different cycle times. Don’t forget you still need to lay out a sheet of plastic under your tent then fold it up and tape it around the sides of the tent. Then I use a Velcro strip for where it goes across the door. You need to make sure most of the air is drawn in they your filters up top.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#26160787 - 08/30/19 12:59 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Jake, I was thinking that culture was to thick. I was going to chuck it and start again. The fan is 100mm bathroom exhaust fan it works good, when it kicks in I can feel all the air come through the filters,the gh sucks in then when it kicks off it expands kind of like its breathing I guess. But for controlling it I have an inkbird IHC-200 ever used that b4, I brought it before I read this tek?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: YarnDi]
#26160806 - 08/30/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mean it’s hard to see but no I don’t think it looks to thick. I’ve had good cultures that looked like that. Pan cam myc does grow a lil thicker on average than cyan anyway
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26160993 - 08/30/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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So with the humidity does it need to go up to 99 then go down to like 80 something for awhile or can it sit around like 92 or will that saturate the sub?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: YarnDi]
#26161000 - 08/30/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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The cycling of humidity is the key to the entire fruiting chamber. Others hold constant rh and do fine but I really see a difference the more I’m able to ramp evaporation and you do that by hydrating the case then pulling in dry air then repeating if you hold constant rh you won’t get as much evap
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26171090 - 09/05/19 04:44 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Thanks everyone! Also I should note that a good starting place for your timers is Fogger 3min on 10 min off Fan 3 min on 9 min off Start your fan on the 2 min mark after your fogger comes on that will creat a repeating cycle.
If that's a good starting point for pans what would a good starting point for tamps be?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: KapnDank]
#26171108 - 09/05/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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For tamps I run the fogger for about 5 min (at 75% power) then the fan for 5 min with 15 min down. I change settings constantly tho depending on how trays look. It only takes a few grows to hammer down how to dial and what you want your trays to look like at what stage
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26184217 - 09/12/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey man, just a quick question:
I've germinated my spores and performed 2 transfers to clean up and narrow down the genetics. I now have 5 plates growing cuttings from a single plate I took from my first transfer. I'm thinking of using each plate to inoculate a batch of grain over the course of a week or two as my PC is only so big (around 5/6 jars per cook), and then storing all of the jars in the refridgerator and growing out each batch over the course of a few months. I considered doing a single grow then cloning a good specimen and growing that out, but it would take me around another month just to clone and spawn, and that's not including any transfers to clean the culture (not sure how important this would be at that stage). I would like to get a good batch rotation going for the winter but I'm a little worried about being left with a sub-par sub-strain. Do you have any thoughts on this? Is it a bad idea to go ahead and inoculate all those jars from a culture that I haven't fruited before? It's a Hawkseye print, the cultures look good, and after the transfers I'm sure it's clean enough (I've had only the slightest contamination on a single plate that wasn't sealed properly, it was definitely something that got in from outside), so assuming I prepare the spawn, sub, and FC correctly I was thinking I would be in for a good chance of getting good flushes, but I'd like some input if you would be willing.
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Yeah bud go ahead and put em all to grain. I do lots of agar work and I end up putting most of my dishes to grain. You never know which ones are going to contain really good genetics then once you have trays fruiting you can start taking clones and finger your favorite iso’s. There is safety in numbers you’re going to have some failures so keep plenty of back ups at each stage
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26184295 - 09/12/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aweomse, thanks man, I feel more confident! I'll have to make a log and let you know how it goes.
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For sure man def do. What FC are you running?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26185205 - 09/13/19 02:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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so for my first grow ever i got ahold of some pan cyan spores not really knowing what i was getting myself into as far as cultivation teks... i got a lot of work to do and i’m trying my best to really understand everything as i go but i do have a bit of a learning curve that i’m dealing with.
question about ph, is the desired ph acquired through pasteurization or do i have to add fulvic acid at some point?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26185438 - 09/13/19 07:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: For sure man def do. What FC are you running?
I was thinking of going for the monotub setup you described, but I think a martha with trays would be a bit safer. I'm interested in volume, but again, I'm still fairly inexperienced and the Martha seems a little simpler and easier to dial in. I could always get a second one on the go. Have you tried putting trays on each shelf and not alternating them from side to side? So each shelf is covered with trays. i'm wondering if you would have noticed that it prevented the mist from getting to the casings as you got further down the martha.
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Really appreciate this info dude. Love the ingenuity in all of your setups actually.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Doggmatic]
#26191612 - 09/16/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow this tek is impressive.
so I just got some tropicalis spores to germinate on malt extract agar and I'm doing the first transfers today.
Ive got a couple questions, Sorry if these are dumb I'm a panaeolus virgin.
1) is there a reason you dont use wbs? Thats all I have at the moment for grain. I'll probably try the lc to bulk route you mentioned. Can you explain how you go about it? Do you inoc it in the trays? And approximatly how much lc for what size trays?
2) how does this setup sound to you? my greenhouse is very simple just an ultrasonic humidifier on a timer piped into the roof and a few vent holes cut. Should that be sufficient or will I just frustrate myself?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: John_1098]
#26191749 - 09/16/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are a few ways to do this, I personally don’t like LC as much as A2G2B but it will work asura is the man to talk to about LC, I still put my LC to grain before bulk. As for the FC my tek is unique in that it is specifically set up to cycle humidity and maximize evaporation on surface, there are other tent styles That just run constant humidity and a fan that I have seen good looking grows come out of but I wouldn’t know exactly how they’re set up I strongly standby the cycling most people have said they are going to switch to my set up but it definitely can be done more than one way I have found those on more I increase my evaporation the better my pen sets are
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26192014 - 09/16/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I gotta study this one, Jake is the pan man with the plan.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SFS96]
#26196526 - 09/18/19 09:23 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey JOC, love your set up man. You might no me from DMTWorld.net as ALX8721. I currently just added my Honeywell HEPAClean Filter and It looks like the my fan is not sucking air from the filter rather the hose on the humidifier. What do you use to stop this from happening? I appreciate you Dr Gonzo!!! look forward to this grow. I am following everything to the Tee, except for one thing, the drip pan. I found a pan that fits perfectly for the martha tent listed.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: ALX8721]
#26197090 - 09/19/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey bud yeah I can’t login to Dmt world atm, Use a check valve
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26197566 - 09/19/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see, yeah, the app is down, but if you go through browser you’re golden. I’m stepping back from posting there. Still working with the spore trading group as it was an idea of mine. But I’m jumping over here for all things mush. Recently opened this account and haven’t done much with it but lurking. I see you’re pretty active here so I figured why not. Thanks for the info homes! I’ll grab one of them things.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: ALX8721]
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ALX8721 said: I see, yeah, the app is down, but if you go through browser you’re golden. I’m stepping back from posting there. Still working with the spore trading group as it was an idea of mine. But I’m jumping over here for all things mush. Recently opened this account and haven’t done much with it but lurking. I see you’re pretty active here so I figured why not. Thanks for the info homes! I’ll grab one of them things.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26197922 - 09/19/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: ...I should note that a good starting place for your timers is Fogger 3min on 10 min off Fan 3 min on 9 min off Start your fan on the 2 min mark after your fogger comes on that will create a repeating cycle.
shouldn't it be fogger 3 min on 10 min off nad fan 2 min on 11min off? with fan starting 2 min after fogger starts? basically you're using 13 min cycles on the timer. using a 3 on 9 off for the fan will cause it to over lay into the fogger cycle, causing it to run a minute earlier on the second and the at the same time with the fogger on third cycle after the initial cycle? i just tested this and my RH is dropping to low 60s for about 20 minutes. Also, using a check valve doesnt work as the fog is heading the same direction the fan is pulling from. Please let me know where I may be missing something, homes. Ive been sitting at my tent for hours trying to get this thing right, so far the average RH of the tent is 65% running it this way.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Asura]
#26197926 - 09/19/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh shit, wuttup Asura??? Never thought Id see the day the infamous Mr. Jones with his lovely rack would be calling me out on Shroomery! Beautiful! Just put a smile on my heart friend!!!
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#26201841 - 09/21/19 08:17 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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ended up adding another hepa filter, found the cfm for the fan was too much and pulling through the easiest place which was the hose for the humidifier. only thing is is getting this de-humidification dialed in. everything is keeping the tent below 60% RH. I'd hate to bastardize your tek Gonzo, but I think im gonna have to juts figure out the hard way and dial it in as i go. gonna toss a tray in soon and adjust as i go. its all good, I have a few more jars of millet/rye going. appreciate the assistance and the write up Mr. Cid.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: ALX8721]
#26201924 - 09/21/19 09:24 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Np yeah unless you got all the exact same equipment as I did your gonna have to fine tune but it won’t take ya too long
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26205797 - 09/24/19 03:02 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi JOC, I've written a post regarding what I'm seeing with my cultures and thought I'd link you to it in the event that you have chance to look it over. I hope this isn't something people don't like on message boards, I'm new to all this so I don't want to put my foot in my mouth haha!
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Hello Joc, I;m getting ready to start a grow like yours, but for my martha I have a DIY humidifier I built and a humidity controller.
I plan on setting the humidity controller to turn on around 78%rh and turn off around 98%rh and a fan to cycle fresh air for a minute every 10 minutes, does this seem like a good starting point to dial in?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: billb]
#26211650 - 09/26/19 05:03 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup that sounds good to me you could even take ur low rh lower if you can, as long as ur fogger rehydrates ur case in between cycles ur good!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26211691 - 09/26/19 05:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Yup that sounds good to me you could even take ur low rh lower if you can, as long as ur fogger rehydrates ur case in between cycles ur good!
My good man, that is what I was hoping to hear!!!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: billb]
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26284729 - 10/29/19 11:46 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you guys inoculate your LC with a perfect circular whispy cultures like on the second picuture? Or also with irregular form cultures like on the first pic? I imagine that for getting a circular culture you need like 6 transfers or more?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26284738 - 10/29/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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On those the shape of the growth is just a factor of the shape of the inoculation wedge. If u look at the top pic u can see the wedge is large & long. For LC I usually on bother making it with a iso from a clone that I want to take lots of prints of. As long as it’s clean it will work although you won’t know for sure how good the genetics are until you fruit
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26284751 - 10/29/19 11:56 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: On those the shape of the growth is just a factor of the shape of the inoculation wedge. If u look at the top pic u can see the wedge is large & long. For LC I usually on bother making it with a iso from a clone that I want to take lots of prints of. As long as it’s clean it will work although you won’t know for sure how good the genetics are until you fruit
Oh i see the form of the inoculation wedge :O
But if you want to start from spores, from the spore plate, how many transfers you personally do before inoculating the LC?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26284774 - 10/29/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well like I said I usually will put down ms on agar then transfer out, (using the rest of the ms dishes to inoculate grain jars) then I will continue to transfer out always using what’s left to inoculate jars. Poor cultures usually stall out on grain. Then once I start getting fruits I start cloning, then once I get a iso I like I’ll make LC. This way I have lots of different sub strains to pull genetics from from breeding and crosses. Making blind LC It’s always a gamble because if you’re going to use it to inoculate several jars or trays if it is a dud then you will have several wasted jars or trays
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26284791 - 10/29/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see, thanks jake. Another thing, what ISO stands for? You mean like the culture of a clone?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26284923 - 10/29/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Isolate aka mono culture
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Jakeoncid419 said: Isolate aka mono culture
Clones are still MS, so from a clone you keep making transfers\isolating until you find a mono culture?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26285344 - 10/29/19 04:44 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clones can be multi strain but are usually not. You will be able to tell when you grow it out on agar. Most of the time my clones give me mono cultures. If not just sector it and grow out each substrain and clone again. It all depends on what you want to do. I don’t see the benefits of LC unless I need to mass inoculate. It’s much more simple to just inoculate with a dish and then G2G transfer the Amy culture I want to duplicate. If I really want I can get about 10-12 jars off one colonized jar. LC You’re just adding additional factors for contamination and unless you know the genetics you’re using you could make a bunch of week genetic trays and waste your time as opposed to having verified what cultures are good producers.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26285438 - 10/29/19 05:37 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Jake!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
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Jake, I'm very interested in using a HEPA filter for the air intake of the martha. I have a 50 CFM fan, i don't know if that is enough fan power for the Honeywell HEPA? Maybe is too weak. I mean most bathroom extractors are 50 CFM in home depot, I think you must be using a 50 CFM fan.
Also i don't know which Honeywell HEPA model fits on the top of the Green house? There are several HEPA HONEYWELL models with different sizes. I need to buy it from amazon, and pay for international shipping, i cant visually compared replacement filters, since i don't live in the US. You don't have the original box of the replacement filter, it must say there which air purifiers are compatible with that filter size.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26307166 - 11/08/19 12:17 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’ll get measurements when I get home but they are about 6”x12”
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
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I have some Pan jars that are fully colonised, maybe a bit too much. I had to go away for 10 days and when I got back some of my jars had maxed out. It's been a week since then. I wanted to store some jars in the refrigerator for a few weeks but I had read not long ago that Pan Cyan mycelium loses vitality when subjected to cold temperatures. What would you recommend? I have just pasteurized my first batch of manure (2 days ago), but I may spawn early as I'm eager to see if my culture will fruit, and at this stage aiming for 3 flushes seems unnecessary. I also need the space.
As for the casing, do you pasteurize and leave to recuperate like the substrate? Or do you case immediately after pasteurization?
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(Pasteurization time 4 hours).
According to that Image, you can see how population of good microbes builds up over time after the pasteurization has been done, days after. Also it seems that pasteurizing at a constant 150F kills less beneficial microbes population vs 160F.
150F ended up with around 250,000 more population compared to 160F after the same recovery time. 150F needs half the time to reach to the same level of population that 160F reached at the end of the row.
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Jericho_Button said: I have some Pan jars that are fully colonised, maybe a bit too much. I had to go away for 10 days and when I got back some of my jars had maxed out. It's been a week since then. I wanted to store some jars in the refrigerator for a few weeks but I had read not long ago that Pan Cyan mycelium loses vitality when subjected to cold temperatures. What would you recommend? I have just pasteurized my first batch of manure (2 days ago), but I may spawn early as I'm eager to see if my culture will fruit, and at this stage aiming for 3 flushes seems unnecessary. I also need the space.
As for the casing, do you pasteurize and leave to recuperate like the substrate? Or do you case immediately after pasteurization?
Cheers for any advice.
So I had a pan Alabama jar that was ready about 2 weeks before I gotta see it. It’s the tray I just posed in the pan thread. It’s a iso that has always given me canopies but this time I just got some sparse fruits. The only thing I can think of is the jars age. I’d still run it tho. As for the case I also let the microbe count build after pasteurization
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26315023 - 11/12/19 02:13 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, it still looks pretty good, tons of growth, but also a few metabolite secretions on a couple of jars. I had 10, of which 3 grew really slowly. I shook these ones prior to going away, and returned to them being the only fully colonised. I shook the rest, 3 of which have also fully colonised, but 4 haven't really recovered. It's not a complete stall as I see some fresh mycelium being produced, but I'm guessing it's a poor culture. I'm not entirely sure I had managed to get the ideal phenotype, it was still somewhat tomentose before going to grain, but after 4 transfers I thought I may as well go ahead and give it a shot! At this point, a single dose for all my efforts would be satisfaction enough. I'm hoping if I get anything, performing a clone will set me towards getting a culture that will produce a yield similar to what you seem to achieve.
Thanks to you & Mr. Alien for the advice. I will keep patient, I'm just really worried about spoiling everything by leaving my jars too long. I reckon by the time I get them spawned half will be nearly 3 weeks since full colonisation, and half around 2 weeks, so I guess there's still a good chance of at least getting some fruits. I have another plate on the go with some fairly good looking Pan mycelium, so I can always set up another batch of jars, but I will have to wait to spawn these ones, as the rest of my jars are currently occupied by Treasure Coast mycelium haha. Thought I'd try and do everything all at once.
I've nearly got all my gear for the martha too, just waiting on my drip tray and my timers.... I'll post pics of the set up.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26318760 - 11/13/19 09:59 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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 I ran my wbs and millet like that off and on for years and if I'm lazy I still do. It works but when they get starchy it slows shit down. For consistency I prefer a hands on prep, perfect grain can be a huge key to good colonization IMO I used volume, cup and a half of millet and 3/4 cup of water . Toss in the pc and shake while hot
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cronicr]
#26318774 - 11/13/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cronicr]
#26318803 - 11/13/19 10:31 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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 I ran my wbs and millet like that off and on for years and if I'm lazy I still do. It works but when they get starchy it slows shit down. For consistency I prefer a hands on prep, perfect grain can be a huge key to good colonization IMO I used volume, cup and a half of millet and 3/4 cup of water . Toss in the pc and shake while hot
Nice! I think i will prepare it properly then. Most guys just soak 24hr and load the PC, any benefit in simmering after the 24 hr soak with millet?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26318813 - 11/13/19 10:36 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I just start with scolding water
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: No I just start with scolding water
Sorry for my ignorance but what does "scolding water" means in English?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26318853 - 11/13/19 11:16 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I start by pouring boiling water on it( I use an old pc or a bucket)
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: I start by pouring boiling water on it( I use an old pc or a bucket)
Got ya! thanks.
Jake, Once spawn reaches 100% colonization, do you shake to see if it recovers? or nah.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26318865 - 11/13/19 11:24 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not at 100 I usually do a shake at about 90% then bulk it once it bounces back
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26319364 - 11/14/19 08:47 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Not at 100 I usually do a shake at about 90% then bulk it once it bounces back
But what if you shake at 90% and it bounces back but not fully at 100% but at 99%? I would be very scare to shake at 90% and bulk at 99%.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26319445 - 11/14/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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That doesn’t ever really happen for me normally if the jar is going to stall it does it at about 40% a good culture will eat a jar in seven days 10 days being the most much beyond that and I consider the culture “not worth it”
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26319456 - 11/14/19 09:31 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: That doesn’t ever really happen for me normally if the jar is going to stall it does it at about 40% a good culture will eat a jar in seven days 10 days being the most much beyond that and I consider the culture “not worth it”
I see, thanks a lot jake!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26337413 - 11/22/19 04:26 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey man, got my trays ready to case, and my Jartha is set up and ready to go! Gonna give my trays another 2 days to fully colonise before casing, then I was thinking 24 hours to consolidate after casing, what do you think? And is it important that the casing is at 'field capacity' during that 24 hour consolidation period? Or can I just mist when I put them out to fruit?
Take a look and let me know what you think, it's not the best looking culture, and the jars were a little slow and were also way overdone when I finally spawned, but it took 3/4 days to get to what looked like 90% substrate colonisation so I'm anticipating at least a couple of fruits!
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Looks good to me! Keep ur case paper thin. I only give them 12 hours back in incubation after applying casing. I usually case at night & place in FC in the morning. The case doesn’t have to be super wet durning 12 hour incubation period. But mist it down good when u first put in FC, then just keep a close eye on it while you dial in ur timers. I’m excited to see how they turn out bud keep me posted!!!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: gtshroom]
#26340446 - 11/23/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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65% chopped straw (no need to pre hydrate) 35% manure 5% verm 1/2 cup gypsum (optional) Mix in water and bring to field capacity
so 105%? Is not 100% based? this is volume right not weight.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26340557 - 11/23/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol sry supposed to be 30% manure. I don’t measure exactly tho I just approximate that ratio in a bucket
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26340688 - 11/23/19 04:38 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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But is volume based right? not weight based.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26340708 - 11/23/19 04:48 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26344385 - 11/25/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey man! So I got my trays out to fruit this morning! I had to work so I basically stuck em in, gave them another quick mist then set the fan and fogger on a 3min on/10min off cycle, staggered by 2 minutes to give the martha a couple of minutes to fill with mist before draggin in the hot air through the filters.
Due to unforseen circumstances I had to go away on the weekend, so I cased them last night and got them in this morning, but I had to go to work so I couldn't spend the day tweaking the timers to get it perfect. I've been shitting myself all day about coming home to my trays swimming in condensation or something! I got home and there's no condensation at all as I suppose it should be, seeing as the ambient temp is steady meaning all things should be at equal temps in that room.
I have some pics here, please take a look at my casings and tell me what you think, I'm worried that it's actually not quite wet enough. I touched it and it is definitely moist, but it wouldn't meet my definition of 'field capacity'. I was thinking that due to it maintaining a reasonable level of moisture throughout the day, despite the cyclic evaporation, the evaporation itself will drive the fruiting and the moisture level in the casing won't necessarily mattar so long as it provides the right %RH at the surface of the substrate, but I've also considered givng the casings a bit of an extra mist, what would you say to this?
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Looks good yes spray it down with distilled water try to increase ur hydration a little the first few days you want it on the wet side once u start seeing pins back it off some but still make sure ur case is not drying out. Pay close attention. Learning how to dial and maintain your rehydration system it the last piece of the puzzle. Looks very promising tho! I’m excited!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26344568 - 11/25/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think that the fogger can replace manual hydration? With the fogger how often you have to rehydrate manually the casing layer?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26344667 - 11/25/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah that’s it purpose but I still most them down when I first put them in
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26350041 - 11/28/19 06:55 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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So it's 4 days in and I've been stressing quite a bit haha! I know it's 7-10 days for pins usually but I haven't noticed any growth at all into the casing, it doesn't appear to be 'colonised' whatsoever. Judging by a lot of your pics in various threads it seems I wouldn't necessarily expect to see anything like that but we shall see!
I thought I'd ask you a bit more about the culture I'm working with, here's some pics:

The first pic is the plate that I have just started a fresh batch of jars from.
The second pic is a transfer plate from the same culture as the plate in the first picture (the original culture was the culture that I have just spawned from my last batch of jars). This plate is now around 5/6 weeks old and still looks healthy! It's grown really slowly.
The third pic is a jar that I have started from the plate in the first picture. There are 8 in total and some are coming on but are still pretty slow, whereas some have stalled.
Are my extra fuzzy cultures a normal feature for multi-spore Pan Cyan cultures? And is my slow growth likely to be due to overly nutritious agar? I've noticed in many of my plates that growth will stop and start, I'm wondering if this is where nutrition becomes less than optimal after a period of time causing the growth to restart.
I've been thinking of doing some extra transfers from the plates in the pictures but cutting the sugars in my agar solution as you mentioned in this thread:
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SWFL said: What is the latest favorite agar recipe specifically for P. Cyan?
P.s here is the Ramsey recipe lol 1000ml distilled water (950g) 32g dextrose (sugar) 16 g malt extract 16 g peptone 8g yeast 20 g agar 10 g potato starch
(Optional below) .3 g ammonium citrate .2 g thiamine .2g magnesium phosphate
You can drop the nutes down considerably depending on what your doing (for my low nute recipe I remove the 32g of sugar (usually glucose) drop my other sugars to 10gs. (Each) I can def say I get very few pan stall outs on this recipe instead I’ve been getting some very interesting looking mycelium 
I'm hoping this will shorten the time between transfers and help me get to a more stable culture with a more narrow genetic spectrum. What do you think?
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I fucked up a bit! I had one of my trays sitting paritially under the inlet pipe from the humidifier, I thought it was helping distribute the mist throughout the martha by obstructing it as it flowed in from the pipe. I had also tried to alter my timer schedule but I ended up making a 10 minute cycle instead of a 13 minutes cycle.
The tray mentioned ended up swimming in water... I just poured this out of it:

It didn't smell so I'm hoping it's mostly just leeched nutrients from the substrate and mycelium but I'm sure the potential for bacteria could ruin the whole grow. I'll wait and see. Luckily I have some more jars on the way.
I put it back in but at the bottom near the fan hoping it will dry out a bit. In hindsight the amount of trays I went for seems overboard but I thought it would maximise my chances of having success.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cronicr]
#26351136 - 11/28/19 08:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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 I ran my wbs and millet like that off and on for years and if I'm lazy I still do. It works but when they get starchy it slows shit down. For consistency I prefer a hands on prep, perfect grain can be a huge key to good colonization IMO I used volume, cup and a half of millet and 3/4 cup of water . Toss in the pc and shake while hot
I just went into the process of preparing millet without simmering, i must say i miss simmering, can i do it with millet next time? I don't care the extra work. I just like that i can steam dry it and when drying it take much less time... at least it was with wheat like that.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26351140 - 11/28/19 08:44 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah for sure
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cronicr]
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Also millet won't expand as much when soaking. I measured 1/3 of millet of a quart mason, calculated it for 4 quart jars. Thinking it would expand enough to fill 2/3 in each of the 4 quart jars. I only could fill 2/3 for 3 quarts jars... I wanted for 4 quart jars..... with wheat i remember i just had to measure 1/3 and it would end up being 2/3 of the quart mason jar.
When you do millet... how much dry millet you per quart jar counting the expansion of the grain after soaking. Surely 1/3 is not enough.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
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Also millet won't expand as much when soaking. I measured 1/3 of millet of a quart mason, calculated it for 4 quart jars. Thinking it would expand enough to fill 2/3 in each of the 4 quart jars. I only could fill 2/3 for 3 quarts jars... I wanted for 4 quart jars..... with wheat i remember i just had to measure 1/3 and it would end up being 2/3 of the quart mason jar.
When you do millet... how much dry millet you per quart jar counting the expansion of the grain after soaking. Surely 1/3 is not enough.
I wouldnt even measure "by the jar accounting for expansion".
If you prepping a case of jars, 12 jars, i would just fill 8, maybe 9 if using oats, to the shoulder and use that, rather than measuring out a half jar for each scoop and putting it in the pot.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: jbgtaa]
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I need help, on the left a jar with millet that i soak for 24 hours and on the right a no soak/ no simmer
I don't know but i think the left one is too dry. I don't know why, i made the hand test before loading it to the jars, only a few grains were stuck on my hand. I made a towel test to see if it gets wet. The no soak no simmer grain looks with much more moisture than the left.
EDIT: I don't know, but i think when simmering the grain (any grain) absorbs much more moisture than with soaking, it will expand to the double in size as well, and its also easier to dry. I didn't like soaking only to be honest. I don't feel comfortable to put a culture in the jar of the left.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26352647 - 11/29/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I’ve noticed I have to adjust my grain prep as the seasons change, I am throwing a quick simmer on the back end of the soak now I agree the left jar looks dry
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26352708 - 11/29/19 07:36 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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But regardless it can fully colonize no? Next time i will do a 10 minute simmer, i'm sure they will expand and hold more moisture on the inside that way and dry faster via steam dry.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26354490 - 11/30/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome tek! Hoping to try it out soon, but I have a few questions.
How do you keep the sub after pasteurization? Like do you keep it in completely sealed in the ziploc on a shelf for 5 days? I guess what I'm asking is does the pasteurized sub need to breathe at all?
You mention you average around 2.75 ounces dry per tray, I assume thats from clones and everything goes well over all flushes? Asura mentions that his personal best from a tray was 31g dry, I assume maybe he meant one flush now possibly. Only curious because those numbers are very different, granted I'd be happy with 7g if thats all I can get when beginning.
Would it be okay/better to hydrate the straw before mixing with manure? My manure is field capacity out of the bag so I'm scared of overdoing it with the water content if the straw isn't hydrated since I don't work with it often. Any clue how much water is added to one of your half gallon bags?
Do you rehydrate the sub at all like cubes? Or do you literally just do a heavy misting on the casing?
To make the casing, I take the dry ingredients and buffer the ph in the water then combine. Afterwards I still pasteurize and let sit for 5 days. Is all of that right?
Can I let the pasteurized sub/casing sit on the self too long? Also can I pasteurize it for too long?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mr. Alien]
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(Pasteurization time 4 hours).
According to that Image, you can see how population of good microbes builds up over time after the pasteurization has been done, days after. Also it seems that pasteurizing at a constant 150F kills less beneficial microbes population vs 160F.
150F ended up with around 250,000 more population compared to 160F after the same recovery time. 150F needs half the time to reach to the same level of population that 160F reached at the end of the row.
Where is that information from? I'd love to read it. Have you tried this yourself with a sub yet?
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(Pasteurization time 4 hours).
According to that Image, you can see how population of good microbes builds up over time after the pasteurization has been done, days after. Also it seems that pasteurizing at a constant 150F kills less beneficial microbes population vs 160F.
150F ended up with around 250,000 more population compared to 160F after the same recovery time. 150F needs half the time to reach to the same level of population that 160F reached at the end of the row.
Where is that information from? I'd love to read it. Have you tried this yourself with a sub yet?
No, i always used pasteurized substrate right after it cooled. Next time i will do what Jake says! I found that image in google, the internet site was talking about straw pasteurization i think.... but it also applies to manure as well
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SimpleCultivator said: Awesome tek! Hoping to try it out soon, but I have a few questions.
How do you keep the sub after pasteurization? Like do you keep it in completely sealed in the ziploc on a shelf for 5 days? I guess what I'm asking is does the pasteurized sub need to breathe at all? I just keep it in either a jumbo zip lock or I use a spawn bag but yes just seal it and put on shelf.
You mention you average around 2.75 ounces dry per tray, I assume thats from clones and everything goes well over all flushes? Asura mentions that his personal best from a tray was 31g dry, I assume maybe he meant one flush now possibly. Only curious because those numbers are very different, granted I'd be happy with 7g if thats all I can get when beginning. Yes this isn’t as much a average as much as a best case scenario for a tray lol I had a few ISO’s that did thT for me somewhat consistently but I put a lot of work into them first. Average is one good flush and then maybe an additional 35% from additional flushes before contamination sets in and it’s just not worth it. The nice thing about pans is it moves so quickly that it’s nothing to turn over a tray 7 days to colonize the dish 7 more for the jar, 7 to 10 more for the bulk so if you plan ahead it’s easy to always have something next @ bat.
Would it be okay/better to hydrate the straw before mixing with manure? My manure is field capacity out of the bag so I'm scared of overdoing it with the water content if the straw isn't hydrated since I don't work with it often. Any clue how much water is added to one of your half gallon bags? If your manure is that wet to begin with it has not been properly aged and sun bleached. It should be light dry & fluffy. Dense wet poo will cause the myco to go anaerobic, and you won’t get much if anything.
Do you rehydrate the sub at all like cubes? Or do you literally just do a heavy misting on the casing? You can do either. I decided which on a case by case basis. To make the casing, I take the dry ingredients and buffer the ph in the water then combine. Afterwards I still pasteurize and let sit for 5 days. Is all of that right? Yup, don’t over do it with the lime. You test you wet soil mix after it’s all made and adjust from there if you have to. You won’t need more than a teaspoon most likely but peat moss ph varies bag to bag
Can I let the pasteurized sub/casing sit on the self too long? Also can I pasteurize it for too long?
only for f contamination takes hold but usually it just dries out eventually. As for pasteurizing too long, hmmm idts, I usually do 12-16 hours total @162F but it prolly takes 6 hours just to get the core temp to 162f
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Excellent, thank you
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: whitehawk]
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So inspiring, thank you so much for sharing your work.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Jakeoncid419 said: Thanks everyone! Also I should note that a good starting place for your timers is Fogger 3min on 10 min off Fan 3 min on 9 min off Start your fan on the 2 min mark after your fogger comes on that will creat a repeating cycle.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: ComebackKid]
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Jake I noticed there is no specific heat source in the Jartha so how do you monitor your temperatures?
Does the GH keep up the heat on it's own or is that just something you dont really bother monitoring altogether?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: ComebackKid]
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I just control the temp In my grow room, however I do have my electric heater placed up high so it blows right at the Hepa filters on the Martha.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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What kind of humidity gage do you use jake? I have my Jartha set up with some tamp trays right now but I don’t think my gage is very accurate.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SFS96]
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I dont really use a gauge. I have a lil thermostat/rh sensor in each tent (just cheap small plastic thing) to give me a general idea but honestly I don’t really pay attention to it. Your rh is gonna be all over the place what you wanna pay attention to is how moist the casing stays.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SFS96]
#26444619 - 01/21/20 10:38 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Np guys! Keep me updated on your progress, the more ppl that build it and ask questions the more complete I can make the tek. Keep up the good work everyone!
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#26444866 - 01/21/20 06:00 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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here ya go jake il post it in your pan thread and the official pan thread also. il b mailing it out sometime between tom and friday but will pm u a tracking number when i do so u can know when to grab it. sorry it took me so long i just have had a full plate at work👍😃
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
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Great work man wow!! I want to build one now  Do you really need the filter on the bottom of your monos? Can't you just have small holes?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: eLeSDenes]
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To run my tech automation is required the mono set up is highly modified the thermodynamics play an important role in maximizing evaporation you can run more traditional monos but you won’t get the same pinset
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I was just thinking to swap the small filter for small holes on the sub level. That also lets out the air out right?
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amazing! Thank you.
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Following, thank you!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: tramalot]
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This week I was fortunate to be able to photograph Panaeolus bisporus cultivated by Jakeoncid419 using the JOC Tek:












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That's amazing Alan & Jake 
Jake do you happen to know approximately what range your RH in your Jartha is in between cycles? 
Sorry for all the questions. After 5 fails I'm now determined to get this right!
I thought have my InkBird controller set to turn of at 95 and turn on again at say 80RH would be to low. But I guess it's not a problem because the RH right at the surface of the substrate is what matters?
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I love that shit
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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Puduwoke said: That's amazing Alan & Jake 
Jake do you happen to know approximately what range your RH in your Jartha is in between cycles? 
Sorry for all the questions. After 5 fails I'm now determined to get this right!
I thought have my InkBird controller set to turn of at 95 and turn on again at say 80RH would be to low. But I guess it's not a problem because the RH right at the surface of the substrate is what matters?
No I don’t, I used to have a little humidity gauge is in the tents but to be honest I never really paid attention to it. the humidity doesn’t matter. what you want to pay attention to is your casing, you definitely want the fan to kick on pulling in dry warm air (I try and have this happen every 10 to 12 minutes) so with that established you now need to adjust your fogger to be able to hydrate the casing Layer for what the fan is doing. That way you only have to adjust the run time of your fogger to dial in Your tent. Depending on your fogger and the fan pushing it (if you have one, my first design 1 gal foggers has no fan and still worked) You will adjust your time on and off it’s best to have them cycle like I mentioned in the tech but first do you want to get your casing in if the timing doesn’t line up perfectly every time it’s not a huge deal and you can always adjust to try and sync them up later. Now with the 12 desk fogger I only need to run for about 45 seconds every 10 minutes. With the original foggers from Home Depot I would run for about three minutes every 12 minutes. Also I found that it helps a lot to wrap your temperature up about three days after placing in the fruiting chamber you only need to keep it super warm (80-85F) a few days then you can go back to normal room temperature and things will be fine but this he increased really helps launch your pin set. I actually put a electric heater on a shelf aimed at the HEPA on the tent so when the fan kicks on it directly pulls in the hot dry air
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Thanks a lot Jake. Think I got the message and will be able to figure this out.
My 5 disc ultrasonic pulls its air in from outside the GH and I got plenty of slits in it. Door is even half open.
Thank you all for helping me out 
Edit. I will upload pictures for other people to see and compare to once I'm home.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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Well opening the door is going to change the Thermo dynamics of your tent having the HEPA filter cut in up high and your fan down low causes the fan to drag the fog down into the casing of the trays on its way out through the fan that’s also why your fogger comes in overhead it’s basically the same Thermo dynamics of a mono but it’s machine forced
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26481310 - 02/12/20 01:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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And you may not have to use a HEPA filter I do just because they’re the perfect size and I figured why not but you could probably get by with a vent filter
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I think of it like this pans grow best in cow pastures there among tall wet grass so they constantly are kept in a good micro climate in terms of humidity and then a breezy pasture would constantly be moving air with little tree cover so it would be warm and large amounts of evaporation taking place.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Thanks duuuuuuude
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: hallmaker]
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Hey jake I have my fan and humidifier cycle timed pretty damn close to 3 minutes on 9 minutes off. Kinda tough to get that specific. I do see some drying on the surface of the casing but also a little darker brown underneath. Humidity levels anger pretty erratic. Below are the lows and highs. 47.1 71.6 48.1 76.0 50.8 73.8 49.7 74.1 48.4 75.1 56.3 78.9
Think I should bump up the humidity timing a bit?
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Do I understand you correctly that the highest you get your humidity is about 78%RH?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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Yeah I'm getting 79% as a peak now. Might still be establishing a baseline it's only been cycling a few hours.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Grimsweeper]
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Have you had successful growths with those numbers before?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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If your case is looking dry increase your fog time your casing should be saturated but no puddles right before puddles form is where you want to try and hold it then once you have pins coming up you can dial it back a little bit but not much
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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I haven't tried this rapid evap/hydrate strategy yet. I usually inkbird cycle my humidity in 90's high, 70's low and run the fan on a timer. Successful but not anything like jake has been doing with less focus on humidity and more on timing and surface conditions.
Edit - Thanks jake I'll keep tinkering.
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Alright. I'm happy to hear that. Because I been so focused on not letting my RH drop below 90 ever! So I had a hard time finding a sweet spot and I would get pooling when I had empty trays inside. Now I use my inkbird and it picks on at 88rh and turn off at 96 but keeps going up to about 98%RH. Then after about 12-15 min the cycle starts over again. No more pooling now.
Got some bags made Asura style about to be finished colonizing in the bag. So very excited. Failed with pans many times before tho but think I'll get it soon 😁
This time I will for the first time. Try to pasteurize my casing using the keep warm setting on my crockpot. God I hope it works because that shit is so damn simple. Thanks for that tips Jake
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Yeah I've had pooling and a lot of excess water in the bottom of my GH. Hopefully this new strategy remedies some of that.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Grimsweeper]
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Excess water in the bottom of your tent is normal that’s why I have that white plastic tray under my tents every few days I suck it up with a wet vac and pour a little bleach water down there then I completely disassemble and deep clean about every 2 to 3 months but this last time I just put new plastics on and wiped everything down
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Can store bought manure be used in lieu of hpoo? I don't have any access of the later.
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I've grown P. Bisporus with Black kow. It works but not ideal it's a little to dense. If I ever use it again I'd dry it, shred, rehydrate then pasteurize.
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I don't have access to black kow either lol. I'm limited to the bagged manure found at garden shops, home depot and Lowe's.
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Could work as long as it's not supplemented with commercial fertilizers. You don't need straight manure either. Many of us use 30-40% manure with straw and maybe verm.
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Just so long as store bought manure will work, I'll give it a go and find out.
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Black kow is a Lowe's product. I find it there everytime. 50/50 kow and verm works great in bottles.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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quick question on your Jartha set up.
are you using 2 cycle timers , one for the fan , and one for the Humidifier ? or am i missing something here
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: willysmokes]
#26496284 - 02/20/20 11:59 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you been able to get Jamaican Pan Cyans prints to grow on basic agar recipes? LMEA = 10g light malt + 10g agar + fill to 500ml PEA = 10g potato flake + 10 agar + dab of sugar + fill to 500ml
I plan on giving your recipe a try on the next round of agar plates. Is there just a slim chance when coming from a print to basic recipes? I think I spawned a jar and got this transfered to the same agar plate recipe that the print failed from?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: willysmokes]
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willysmokes said: quick question on your Jartha set up.
are you using 2 cycle timers , one for the fan , and one for the Humidifier ? or am i missing something here
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Yes 2 cycle timers
Yes they will germ fine on basic recipes most of the time
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Thanks so much for the awesome instructions. Very excited to get started. A quick question if I may. You mentioned: "Then I load the bulk and colonized spawn into the trays at a ratio of 1:4" Excuse my ignorance but is that 1 part bulk substrate to 4 parts colonized grain or the other way around (4:1)?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Labcoat]
#26497923 - 02/22/20 02:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks bud! Other way around, You don’t need much grain I’m actually gonna start backing off and see how little I can get away with before I see a yeild drop (if ever) but that ratio moves things along fast AF so it’s a good standard. Good luck!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26517210 - 03/04/20 07:21 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm currently constructing a JOC "martha" made out of clear acrylic. Still the exact same setup but using rigid materials. I'm also repurposing my DIY humidifier for this. I'm pretty happy about it, I'll post when complete.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26518442 - 03/05/20 11:29 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome work Jake! When you put the substrate on the shelf for 5 days to let the microbe count rise, is it in a sealed ziplock or exposed to open air? Thanks brother!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mycolundy]
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Sealed in ziplock
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Thank you! Do you pasteurize the casing or pc? If pasteurize, in the microwave or crockpot?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mycolundy]
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He says in the TEK that he uses a crockpot
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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I saw that referenced for the sub prep. Did I miss that for the casing?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mycolundy]
#26539632 - 03/16/20 10:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have looked the Tek over thoroughly.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mycolundy]
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Ops sorry. I'm the one who's not reading lol..
I do not see why he woulnt pasteurize in the crockpot aswell. That's what I did and it work great. So far at least. Only done it 3 times because I just got it
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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Awesome! Thank you
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mycolundy]
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Do the pano tubs still have the fan inthem?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26620345 - 04/22/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alpaca compost with straw, almost bone dry, field aged 1 year w/ no odor....
Any thoughts on how much more this needs to be powdered, if at all, or how much more straw should be added. Anyone know if it's ok to just eyeball a bit more straw or use as-is?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: anthocyanins]
#26621101 - 04/22/20 09:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it’s still clumped in the turds you want to break it all up into little pieces and then have the pile sit out in the sun so the center cooks stir it every few days it should be light and fluffy. You may be able to cut that in to straw at about 30% and grind it all up and it might not be too dense but I would grind it all up and let it cook a little longer maybe try a small amount
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26622448 - 04/23/20 01:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh ok thanks, and for grinding is a corded drill with a paint mixer attached the cheapest option IYO?
And 30% that mixture to 70% regular straw?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: anthocyanins]
#26622461 - 04/23/20 02:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I mean however you can get it done I buy my manure from a feed store and it’s already pre-aged and chopped up really fine I don’t know if they use a wood chipper or what
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Ok cool. Yeah I figured I would give this a shot otherwise I will buy the manure like you mentioned.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SFS96]
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HI thanks for the post is amazing, i have a doubt..the ratio spawn bulk ..is 1 spaw to 4 bulk? or inverse?
have you tried inoculating with bacillus subtilis? in this moments i make somes test in the grain and in the bulk..with out sterilizin and pausterizing
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: vegeta28]
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wtf are u talkn about lol
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
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lol.
1 spawn to 4 bulk.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: A.k.a]
#26664660 - 05/11/20 02:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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English obviously isn't his first language, give the guy a break. Yeah, I believe they're spawning 1:4...What do you expect from using bacillus subtilis?
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Thanks p9hu7 , yes english is not my lenguage and not always want to use the traductor ha.
i see a lot of people dont know how and why works the things.... i like laugh too
subtillis is a canival bacteria..can live in simbiosis with many fungus and plants......it is a promoter of growth ,they live is the bowels of cows and horse.. and in the manure stay alive for years.. can resist hight temps like the pausterization .... i dont see any contaminants or pudrition in the manure cow in the wild, of course animals with no antibacterial tratament.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: vegeta28]
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Interesting, let is all know how it works out.
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Thank a lot for this infos
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Quote:
Jakeoncid419 said: Hey bud yeah I can’t login to Dmt world atm, Use a check valve

Do you ever have issues with the humidifier not pumping out the fog with enough pressure to open the valve?
Edit:
Another question. Since the fan is pulling the air the same direction the humidifier is blowing the fog, how does the valve close off the hose from the fan pulling air through it?
Obviously this picture doesn’t indicate where the valve goes this is just to make it easier to illustrate my question.

I know the answer is probably a “duh” thing but I would appreciate if someone could help me understand before I start cutting holes out of my tent
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For the martha you don’t need the check valve that’s only for the tub design
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Trying to get a better agar recipe since my first Petri dish attempt was less than great.
I was looking at bodhisattvas posts on agar also - Per your agar recipe, are the ingredients mostly types of agar? Trying to make sure I purchase the right ingredients.
1000ml distilled water (1000g) 32g dextrose (sugar) = pure regular dextrose powder? 16 g malt extract = MEA malt extract agar? 16 g peptone = ? 8g yeast = YPD yeast Peptone dextrose agar? 20 g agar = plain agar agar? 10 g potato starch = PDA potato dextrose agar ?
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Those are not separate recipes tgg Gf ST’s one recipe, but you don’t gotta run the nute profile that high that’s your max out, I usually do 5gs peptone 4gs malt extract 4gs potatoe starch A pinch of nute yeast .05g of gentamicin 1000ml water 18g agar.
It doesn’t have to be this complicated ppl have success with simple mea plenty of the time this is just my favorite agar recipe it moves the cultures quickly and has great jump off %
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Awesome thanks I’ll give this another attempt.
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Do you put tap water or distilled water into the ultrasonic humidifier? I have used tap water and get some fine white dust accumulating inside from minerals in the water I think. Do you think this will eventually become a problem?
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Hey man, second successful grow is in process, got 6 trays on first ‘flush’.... seems like a lot of aborts though. It’s a clone from my first grow, everything went well at each stage, super quick colonisation etc, had a good pinset but so many aborts! I’m thinking my evap might be a little high, but I thought I’d get your opinion.
Timer periods:
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Actually it looks too dry , turn ur off time down to around 7 min see what that does, pan fruits need moisture but don’t like to be sprayed lol picky lil bastards
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Yeah I’ve readjusted slightly, fan time is now 1:45 with a 45 second overlap with the humidifier, things are looking better, one of my trays got rinsed by trich though, one of the denser pinsets too, wahhh, just hoping it doesn’t spread to my other trays... I had noticed it on the casing this morning and waited around thinking of way to salvage the pins but I saw some green and dumped it immediately, it must have come from the sub cuz it had really taken hold underneath.
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No you will be fine trays always contaminate eventually just take them out as soon as you see it
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What, if any, other species have you successfully fruited in this setup (the jartha)? And did you run them the same as far as timing on the fan/fogger? Wondering if there’s anything else I could throw in there with the pans, or if I need to just do one thing at a time.
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Cubes all run in it but they don’t need that much moisture and less u adjust you may get water damage on your fruits, Tamps/Mexicana do fine but you also need to dial it back a bit subtropical don’t like it it’s way too much fae for them .
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Right on, thanks. Another question - do you still just use tape to secure your hose to the humidifier? And if so, do you have to remove/replace it every time you refill the humidifier with water?
I have to remove my hose every time I refill the humidifier. just annoying having to cut out a bunch of little pieces of tape to fasten the hose back on the humidifier every 24-48 hours.
The only idea I’ve had is getting a waterproof or plastic-based clay/molding material and molding it to the shape necessary to create a seal around the hose to keep the fog from escaping.
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Hey man, just want to say thanks for putting up this thread, got me to where I wanna be... there’s several others to whom I owe gratitude but it’s your tek I’ve been following. It’s a cloned culture from my first grow last year, had a few catastrophic failures in between and now this, think I could have achieved a canopy if it wasn’t for the mix up with the timers... oh well, still chuffed! Can’t believe the potency.

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I upgraded my humidifier I need to update it in my tech but I now use a 12 head house of Hydro fogger in a tote that I’ve rigged with a computer fan it vents into my 2 tents the same way the other one did but much more efficiently


That’s awesome Jericho those look fantastic what is your temperature in the tent? looks like you can turn your system up a little bit you want things quite moist, but that looks very good! it makes me happy to see people gaining access to this incredible medicine! Carry on!
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Haha! No way! That’s awesome! I think your humidifier is considerably more powerful than mine, perhaps I was in a rush but I had trouble finding one with a large enough capacity and would put out enough moisture, but also not have an ‘on’ switch. The first one I got I had to send back because after the timers turned off then back on again it required me to switch it on! Nightmare.
I don’t actually know the temperature inside the tent haha! I know it’s a rookie error, but I’ve been making do with a cheap mercury thermometer stuck on the wall of the grow room since I started. I had resolved to get a digital thermometer this week so I will probably buy one today. My room looks to be about 85F, usually around 80F but the height of summer has hit which has had quite an impact.
I had been meaning to ask you about how it might effect it if I halved the FAE, so set my timers like this:
Mist: 3 minutes on, 10 minutes off Fan: 1:45 on, 24:15 off
Or do you think it might be better to use the timers as I am now, but maybe delaying the fan coming on after the humidifier by 4-5 minutes so there is more condensation and less evaporation?
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Wow that must be nice. Dunno if I’ll get permission to add that to the room lol.
Jericho, I’m using the same humidifier Jake has listed in his write up. It’s 1 gallon so I’m having to refill it every 24-36 hours. I don’t have a jartha but it’s similar. I’m 2 weeks into fruiting and still constantly playing with the timers. The nice thing about the humidifier in Jakes write up is that you can adjust the power of the humidifier, which gives you another option to more precisely dial in the tent.
Edit: anyone else that finds it tedious to re-tape the hose to the humidifier, lmk if you have any tricks. One thing that I’ve been doing that works good is just squinting a little water from a syringe into the crack between the hose and humidifier spout/opening. This creates an airtight seal, but sometimes it’ll only last for 2 cycles, sometimes it will last all day. But even when the seal breaks, there’s not too much fog escaping.
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: CosmicGiggle]
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Oh right, they sound similar then, mines about the same volume wise and also last about the same length of time. Also adjustable. The problem I found was that my trays closer to the top of the tent were drying out quicker as the hose from the mister comes in vertically at the top and the mist all sinks down. I've been meaning to install some sort of turbine blade set up at the end of the hose to spread the mist better through out the tent.
I have a fewwling it had just been a little too hot in there. My trays seem to be spent now as nothing more is coming through so I will wait til my current batch of jars are ready to try a few different things. Need to get some damn manure!
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How are you keeping the tent heated? I may have overlooked that part.
Edit: Nevermind, I see a few pages back that the whole room is heated year round with a heater.
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I just have a heater in the room the first few days I put it in there I keep the temperatures a little warmer (low-mid 80s) but for the most part I just keep my room around 76 to 78° (a little warmer inside the tents since the heater is pointed at them) but nothing fancy
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Re: JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I got a four tier so I’ll be crafting this thing this week. Differences I have a humidifier instead of a fogger and I have a high quality small space pc fan instead of the bathroom fan. Should work ok.
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