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MikeCrg
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Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ?
#25924819 - 04/09/19 11:08 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Half of the box looks normal / half looks like this
Any idea why ? They grow on just hay
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25924835 - 04/09/19 11:18 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are they getting enough fresh air exchange?
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25924844 - 04/09/19 11:24 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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They should be getting cause since i mixed some grains with the hay , I didn t change any of the micropore tape or add more , it has on all sides just one layer
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25924879 - 04/09/19 11:48 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Too much moisture would be my scientific wild ass guess.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Anoobus]
#25924885 - 04/09/19 11:51 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you post a picture of your fruiting chamber? That way we can see what's going on.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25924940 - 04/09/19 12:29 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not sure whats going on but it looks like there aborting. Probably not enough FAE and maybe too wet of substrate. Definitely post pics of your setup
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: SFS96]
#25924958 - 04/09/19 12:38 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25925099 - 04/09/19 02:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've never used hay before so I'm not sure. Maybe if you use polyfill instead of tape it will get more air. You wouldn't think it would get much air with micropore tape over the holes. What happend to the lid lol?
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925104 - 04/09/19 02:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The lid of the box is not sealing the box
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25925157 - 04/09/19 02:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Putting the lid on should help your FAE from what I have read on here.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: crabbs]
#25925418 - 04/09/19 04:52 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude I would put the lid on and replace the tape with polyfill. Put the tape up to your mouth and try to breath through it. You'll see that its extremely difficult for the air to pass through. I'm no expert but if it was me I would get the lid and polyfill. Are you misting and fanning? The reason I'm asking is because I see no water on the sides of your container. Hope things work out..
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925520 - 04/09/19 05:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Dude I would put the lid on and replace the tape with polyfill. Put the tape up to your mouth and try to breath through it. You'll see that its extremely difficult for the air to pass through. I'm no expert but if it was me I would get the lid and polyfill. Are you misting and fanning? The reason I'm asking is because I see no water on the sides of your container. Hope things work out..
Micropore tape is pretty easy to breath through, iv seen people use athletic tape thinking it’s the same thing but you can’t breath through that shit.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: SFS96]
#25925550 - 04/09/19 06:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am not misting or fanning
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25925555 - 04/09/19 06:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why aren't you misting and fanning? 🤔
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925562 - 04/09/19 06:20 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Found out that the receipe doesn’t need fanning and misting till 2nd or 3rd flush
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25925599 - 04/09/19 06:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Misting and Fanning causes pinning. Doesn't make sense to me? What about your humidity?
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925616 - 04/09/19 06:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been misting and fanning mine 🤷♂️. I really like these shoeboxes! I should have used a liner but o well, you live and learn lol. Hopefully we both get lots of mushrooms!
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925623 - 04/09/19 06:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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MikeCrg said: Found out that the receipe doesn’t need fanning and misting till 2nd or 3rd flush
Misting and fanning doesn't cause pinning. Full colonization does. (fanning is pointless) Your culture is very bruised on the surface and that usually happens in dry conditions. Also your tub looks very dry itself so this could be why your fruits look stumped. I'd give it a good mist and place the lid on upside down and see if the conditions improve. Gl
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Mateja]
#25925658 - 04/09/19 07:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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evaporation off the substrate is a main pinning trigger. Do you think people fan because it's fun lol?
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Mateja]
#25925662 - 04/09/19 07:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do you want him to mist? You just said it was pointless 🤨
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925785 - 04/09/19 08:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: evaporation off the substrate is a main pinning trigger. Do you think people fan because it's fun lol?
 You can have lots of invitro pins in environments with minimal to zero evaporation. When a substrate is fully colonized it pins, thus full colonization is the pinning trigger. Growers fan because they haven't grown enough to understand that it's pointless.
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Shenmue said: Why do you want him to mist? You just said it was pointless 🤨
It's suppose to say 'fanning' is pointless (which it is) , I edited the post
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25925832 - 04/09/19 09:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: evaporation off the substrate is a main pinning trigger. Do you think people fan because it's fun lol?
I believe most people don’t fan anymore. That’s outdated info. I get good flushes with zero fanning and only misting if the top of the substrate isn’t glistening anymore. Your dub tub should get plenty of air to cause evaporation on it’s own.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: SFS96]
#25926152 - 04/10/19 03:57 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, this is one of my projects, and I will not use hay anymore, just tryed too see if they really like hay and yes they do ... it’s just that half of them look like that and half look healthy, might be some kind of bacteria, I don’t really know, the lid of the box it’s just pointless, eighter way you would put it it will leave to much air inside and dry really fast the substrate plus that it is same colour with the box Here are some more pictures from today
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg] 1
#25926293 - 04/10/19 07:18 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Holy fuck that looks dry as balls.
Don't use hay. Shit is too hot and can contain seeds. Straw is what you want to use.
Whoever said to not mist until flush 2 is wrong, or at least your understanding of it is wrong. What it's supposed to say is normally most substrates don't need a mist until flush 2. If you have a dry substrate, you need to mist it. If you think every grow is gunna follow the same steps and be the exact same, you're sadly mistaken. It's your job as the grower to watch each and every substrate, and cater to its needs. Some substrates will be too dry, and will need a daily misting. Some substrates will be too wet, and need to be opened up some to allow for more evaporation. As you grow more, you will get used to things more.
Also, those mushrooms are clearly done growing. I'd pick them if I were you.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25926356 - 04/10/19 07:59 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: evaporation off the substrate is a main pinning trigger. Do you think people fan because it's fun lol?
Check the "Making Shoeboxes" thread. Nobody is fanning and the majority of people aren't misting before they see first pins.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: poisoned]
#25926401 - 04/10/19 08:29 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I want my shit to breathe once in a while. I also want to take care of my substrate! Everyone makes their substrate with different water ratios so to say that you dont have to mist or anything does more harm than good. Look what happened to this guy! Is it really that difficult to open the lid once in a while? Just seems like laziness to me. How about putting a little pride in your work.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue] 2
#25926426 - 04/10/19 08:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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It’s not about pride, mushrooms breath on there own, do you need to be fanned to breath?
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#25926441 - 04/10/19 08:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Everyone makes their substrate with different water ratios so to say that you dont have to mist or anything does more harm than good.
No one is saying you don't need to mist were saying that fanning is pointless and that it does nothing in terms of evaporation or oxygen supply. How often you will have to mist during the first flush depends on a few factors there's no right and wrong. But fanning is outdated technique that serves no real purpose, I used to fan when I started out most of us did at some point
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25926508 - 04/10/19 09:15 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: How about putting a little pride in your work.
Putting pride in your work means that you should focus on things that matter. I would be very proud of my work if I reached some canopies that people have in the shoeboxes thread without any fanning or misting.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: poisoned] 1
#25926522 - 04/10/19 09:27 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about the canopies where there is misting?
I misted these guys every day.

People need to stop fuckin flaunting egos over whether you should mist or not. The answer is fuckin simple as balls..
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Mad Season said: How it shouldn't look: (finding the Goldilocks zone)
  These are slightly on the dry side. They need to be MISTED DIRECTLY very briefly. Like a couple passes, a foot or 2 high.
 These are too wet, and going bacterial. Notice the pools of water and thick rubbery mycelium? They need to be cut back on misting for a bit until at a reasonable surface hydration, and increased FAE.
How it should look. Beads of moisture and/or glistening:
Always use a flashlight to look for glistening!
Uncased substrate:
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(just after a misting)
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YOU MIST DIRECTLY BASED ON WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, AND CATER TO THEIR NEEDS, NOT A SET SCHEDULE OF 2-6 TIMES A DAY!
I agree that fanning is pointless. I haven't fanned since 2013. Misting on the other hand is not pointless. It is meant to keep the surface happy. You get a canopy by having a happy surface. To me, it's more impressive when someone can pull off a happy surface by deciding if they should mist when the time comes.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: SFS96]
#25926537 - 04/10/19 09:33 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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No but depending on your set up opening the container once in a while and allowing it to air out a little bit might help. I've seen a million different monotub setups. I doubt everyone on here is getting perfect fresh air exchange.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#25926631 - 04/10/19 10:18 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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But FAE is constant, no matter how high or low the FAE rate is, it's always happening. Opening the lid a few times a day doesn't create evaporation and doesn't supply with oxygen, those things are already happening constantly.
Also no one said that misting was pointless, were talking about fanning being outdated. How much you mist will depend on several factors so there's no answer to how often a grower will need to mist. Find out what works for you!
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Mateja]
#25926889 - 04/10/19 01:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its dry, it needs a mist. That's what all the bruising is from. Fanning is only useful when doing cakes (if even that) not shoeboxes and mono tubs. They need constant FAE fanning does not provide that, that's why people say fanning is useless in tubs. Shoeboxes SHOULD provide enough FAE just from the way they are designed. And that's why we put holes in mono tubs or flip the lid in unmodified tubs...
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Apc123]
#25927073 - 04/10/19 02:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25927291 - 04/10/19 04:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hiya, I’ve misted the substrate and I will cut the grown mushrooms tomorrow, now it’s glistening. After misting the sub the white stuff from the tops of the mushrooms disappeared and they started to look again like normal ones, this is just a side project, my other projects don’t need misting, I only dunk the sub for 6 hours and that is blessed for a full flush, I just wanted to try this hay( no seeeds) because I used it in combination with horse poo and I had great results, on the other hand this hay has so many pins by itself , i ll post more pictures soon. yea, the struggle is real when I cut it and that s the main reason why I won’t use it anymore, I also found out that horse poo rocks!!! Best canopy and I m getting almost 500g fresh mush per flush from the same type of box, thank you and I ll listen to your advices , it’s just that there are so many opinions and I like to read first , then apply them learnings, I guess we all fail till we rock Thanks guys !
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg] 1
#25927549 - 04/10/19 07:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I guess I was wrong about fanning. There I said it 😂.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue] 2
#25928315 - 04/11/19 08:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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We all were at some point 😂
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Mateja]
#25928331 - 04/11/19 09:00 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll probably still do it though lol, for now. Once I have a isolation going on I'll test the fanning thing. I'll do 2 shoeboxes with fanning and 2 without. A fun little science experiment lol...
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25928341 - 04/11/19 09:06 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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God bless you! 🍄♥️
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#25928363 - 04/11/19 09:17 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Once I have a isolation going on I'll test the fanning thing.
god forbid anyone discourages a noob but do you know how many of us DO NOT fan? and run clones, ms, isolations ect..
people have already done the testing for you. proofs in the pictures and everyone here saying 'fanning is pointless'
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: mushboy]
#25928401 - 04/11/19 09:43 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fan free since 2013!!
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: mushboy] 2
#25928450 - 04/11/19 10:13 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Shenmue said: Once I have a isolation going on I'll test the fanning thing.
god forbid anyone discourages a noob but do you know how many of us DO NOT fan? and run clones, ms, isolations ect..
people have already done the testing for you. proofs in the pictures and everyone here saying 'fanning is pointless'
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: MikeCrg]
#25928587 - 04/11/19 11:13 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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MikeCrg said: Best canopy and I m getting almost 500g fresh mush per flush from the same type of box
How much spawn are you using per box? (how many pint or quart jars?) Good work!
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: mushboy]
#25928633 - 04/11/19 11:32 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said: god forbid anyone discourages a noob but do you know how many of us DO NOT fan? and run clones, ms, isolations ect..
people have already done the testing for you. proofs in the pictures and everyone here saying 'fanning is pointless'
Let him have some fun experimenting. Even if it's pointless.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: poisoned] 1
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Mad Season]
#25928830 - 04/11/19 01:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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New pictures of the tub, The colour of the substrate is getting darker.
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Mad Season]
#25936960 - 04/15/19 08:09 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn I guess there is a lot of bad information! I watched a lot of willy myco videos and he always says to fan. I'm starting to see why people on here are against him. I still like him though 🤷♂️
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Re: Why are this mushrooms so fuzzy ? [Re: Shenmue]
#25941956 - 04/18/19 04:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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New pictures with some of the mushrooms
N I cut some of them and now I dunked the sub , cuting them they felt like the heads slightly unattached to the bodies or becoming really thin close to the hat , never had some mushrooms so fuzzy, are they still eatable ? They do smell like mushrooms
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