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Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono
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So all my shoeboxes pretty much have been small fruits

Is this genetics, is this because of a large pinset, is this because of me fucking up the conditions...? Probably could have gave more air i suspect

Going to harvest now

Honestly I was hoping moving from shoebox would give me larger fruits but doesn't seem to be the case... Looking like yiekd is going to be about the same as shoebox, we will see.

Thoughts ?

So when i reydrate, just add water for a few hours then pour out ?

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Or should I even harvest, would you wait and see about letting them grow out more... ?


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Final yield was under 4 oz, 6qt spawn

No thoughts ...?

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Not bad honestly. second flushes can be awesome with monos.  Have you tried that clone in other tubs to compare fruits?


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Psicomb]
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Lately they've all been small fruits. I ran like 12 shoeboxes recently. Same clone I've been using but maybe this piece of agar was slightly different than other ahar samples I've used :shrug:

My second mono I think I'm fucking up bro...

I think i over misted or something and I think maybe not enough air

Honestly I want to go back to using some sort of additional nutrient source instead of pure coir and Vern

I use to add gypsum sometimes and coffee grinds but heard "it doesn't make a difference"

I'm not so sure.

I can't find fucking verm or gypsum at any stores I've gone too... I don't get it.

Maybe I should try Menards.

I saw like bone meal and something else. Plant additives for phosphorus and nitrogen. Should I give those a try...?


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Psicomb]
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Looks pretty good to me. I bet you get the big boys second flush :thumbup:


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Blood meal was the other one.

Almost bought them but wasn't sure I could add them and didn't have my phone on me to try and find out

I have 6 qt jars ready to spawn. Waiting to get gypsum or some additive to try

Well thanks guys.

Don't people usually say tou shoukd grt over an Oz per qt for clones...?


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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I've never had normal sized fruits with shoeboxes. Like not even one normal sized fruit. So, I don't know WTF.

If you figure it out let me know.

Now, those little fruits are potent, though, so I don't mind too much :lol:


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: SFS96]
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What variety are u growing? Sometimes that has to play also. Some variety tend to be on the smaller side like Tasmanian tend to be on the small side. I noticed my PE6 were all short too (middle pic in my sig) but they were dense af. I'm not sure if it was just the strain i had tho. Then there are some that tend to be medium and some that tend to be large like South American or India Orissa. A lot of the more popular varieties like EQ, GT, AA+, and Cambo tend to be on the medium to large side too. Alot of times it plays into the genetics tho. Was then original mushie u cloned on the short side?

I get it, I get disappointed with small fruits too but congrats on ur grow it looks good to me :congrats: I'm sure u'll get a nice second flush. U should post a pic of it when u do.


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Edited by Apc123 (04/08/19 06:10 PM)

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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It depends on the clone:shrug: I have decent results using Ms and brick of coir without adding anything other than a little verm if im over field capacity. I just harvested a tub that dried to 113g using 5qt spawn and a brick coir.


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: SFS96]
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:whathesaid: I do the same thing. I have also had great results with just MS (cleaned up on agar) and a brick of coir... And as long as I'm getting consistent conapies I don't even bother to clone.


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Edited by Apc123 (04/08/19 06:09 PM)

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: SFS96]
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SFS96 said:
It depends on the clone:shrug: I have decent results using Ms and brick of coir without adding anything other than a little verm if im over field capacity. I just harvested a tub that dried to 113g using 5qt spawn and a brick coir.


Damn I'm jealous

I don't even know what strain it is

The clone I believe wasn't small. Definitely not this small

They we're actually fucking beautiful. Decent size and great pinset

I thiufht maybe these were small because it had a huge pinset but then I expectes at least a qp...

Again not complaining

Just wish i knew what i wqs doing wrong. Maybe my conditions... Idk. I think they could used more air maybe..?

:shrug:

This about the same yield I get for shoeboxes. Maybe I should just try more spawn.

I'm going to try adding something wirh more nutes and see how it goes, then if not I'll use more spawn. Maybe 8qt instead of 6 or something, see if that helps


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Got cha. Yea once I get a nice pin set in depending on the substraight I either bottom water or not then I pump in the fresh air! Careful not to dry it out of course but a lot of time ill just leave the holes open with nothing on them or in them. After the pin set is in of course.


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Edited by Apc123 (04/08/19 06:15 PM)

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Apc123]
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Maybe that's part my issue

I have unmodified tubs too

Is it worth it to make a real mono?

I don't have the tools at my disposal so I tried the unmodified

Thanks so much for all the replies guys, beats the hell out of crickets 🙏


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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IMO real monos are worth it but unmodifieds can work just fine too.  The nice thing about modified monos is that you can adjust the airflow in a more effective manner than unmodifieds.  Like with unmodded you can angle the lid some but that can often dry out corners significantly while I find modded monos are easier to crank up / dial back the FAE whenever needed.  With that said, unmodded does work great.  I just flip the lid at spawn and let em ride and have had many awesome yields that way. 

Good luck brother, once you get your monos just right you'll be happy as a clam.  I personally love them more than shoeboxes.


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Psicomb]
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Thanks for weighing in psico, always nice to hear from ya


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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I appreciate it dude. I'm excited to see more of your tubs as time goes on.  What issues are going on with your other mono? Same sorta thing?


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Maybe that's part my issue

I have unmodified tubs too

Is it worth it to make a real mono?

I don't have the tools at my disposal so I tried the unmodified

Thanks so much for all the replies guys, beats the hell out of crickets 🙏


I normally like my modified tubs but I just ran both kinds side by side and the unmoded tub produced much better. These were also ms tubs so more testing is required :mushroom2:


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Psicomb]
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So this one i misted the fucking shit out of it then it started growing weird and you can see one tiny one already opened veil

I think it waa because i misted them heavy as fuck but never had this issue with thst before. I waa hoping the extra water would help

Currently I have this tub with the lid angled so the corners are open a bit, hoping it helps...

Seems like more small pins are coming in anyway cause some of those mushrooms I think i fucked them up and triggered something weird wirh them, like the white longneck syndrome growing funky.. but i think the new pins coming in will balance those fuck ups... Man.. I expected some hiccups to be honest but I also hoped they would just go perfectly first time :lol:

Having issues with jars getting gross too I just made a post about, and some wbs i bought that i just noticed has vegetable oil..

Oh well. Learning curve atm I guess.

Meanwhile I have 4 shoeboxes coming along nicely :shrug: just sick of doing 4 boxes. Easier to spawn one big one.

I plan to get a lot of stuff going here...

So these hiccups suck but hoping I can get ahead of the game


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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Right on dude, I've had a handful of GT tubs lately pin up wall to wall only to abort like a motherfucker and produce shorties. 

The misting might have played a part in your situation. 

For me I'm confident it has been a combo of genes and too much water, but mostly just too much water from oversaturating my coir and not being skilled in the art of squeezing it out to proper field capacity.  Keep at it homie.  The best unmodded tubs I've had I didnt have to mist.


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Edited by Psicomb (04/08/19 07:26 PM)

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Psicomb]
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Right right. I could went without misting. Was trying to add extra water to see if it helped wirh small fruits :shrug:

Yep I'll keep at it :super:

Prepping jars now so hopefully I don't fuck them up :lol:


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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:highfive: hell yeah


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Psicomb]
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I have the same problem with my current shoe boxes.. this is the answer I got from Kizzle, he's a TC and been on here since 2011.

Kizzle said:
staytrippy420 said:
oh shit yo that. Thanks Caps.
is it my fault or just shitty genetics?

I thought if the sub was too wet or too dry it could cause small fruits.


Fruit size is mostly related to moisture content of the substrate. Not necessarily surface conditions though. Simply not having enough bulk substrate which is what holds most of the water can cause them to be small.


I concluded my coir only boxes probably dried out a little to much due to cracked lids. I harvest the first flush and gave them a good bottom water/misting and now the lids are sealed.. Ill report back when the second flush comes through. I would like to figure out these small fruit issues too lol


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Edited by staytrippy420 (04/08/19 10:12 PM)

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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: staytrippy420]
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Hey thanks for weighing in :super:

My last few shoeboxes were too wet so I was pretty sure i got this sub pretty damn close to field capacity, who knows :shrug:

I'll see what the future tubs hold


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Re: Help with mono , small fruits , how to rehydrate mono [Re: Enkidu]
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No problem man lets figure this shit out :toast:

My previous boxes were a coir/verm mix and the fruits were much larger.
I think because the verm holds more moister then just straight coir, so the fruits had more water to pull from.

Next boxes ill be going back to a coir/verm mix lol


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