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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919137 - 04/06/19 09:22 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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What would u folks do wit 40 quarts of grain u didn’t clean up on agar but recover with the shake test? Should I throw them all in a tub and cover with damp verm and hope for the best?



And back to this, I wouldn't just dump them in a tub and cover with verm... can u get coir? I would mix with coir and throw it in some monos. 4 bricks of coir with 40 pints would work.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919143 - 04/06/19 09:26 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919156 - 04/06/19 09:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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What would u folks do wit 40 quarts of grain u didn’t clean up on agar but recover with the shake test? Should I throw them all in a tub and cover with damp verm and hope for the best?



And back to this, I wouldn't just dump them in a tub and cover with verm... can u get coir? I would mix with coir and throw it in some monos. 4 bricks of coir with 40 pints would work.



Do you mix everything first and then put it in the mono? This sounds way easier then trying to mix each individual mono but wouldn’t it spread and contams there may be?

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919173 - 04/06/19 09:56 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

There shouldn't be any contams in any jars u spawn 😐 and they don't look very bacterial. Do it however u wish. If I was spawning that much I would just mix all of it and put it in the monos after. Depends how confident u are. The biggest problem I see people do is making their coir (Or any bulk sub) too wet. When voir is at field capacity, it will be nice and fluffy and it wont feel wet. And ull only get a couple drops of water from squeezing a handful. I like to make mine on the dry side, it's easier to add water after than take it out.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919177 - 04/06/19 09:59 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Cool I’m gonna give these jars a shot after all. You saved them from the garbage or a sabotage experiment 🧪.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919202 - 04/06/19 10:19 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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There shouldn't be any contams in any jars u spawn 😐 and they don't look very bacterial. Do it however u wish. If I was spawning that much I would just mix all of it and put it in the monos after. Depends how confident u are. The biggest problem I see people do is making their coir (Or any bulk sub) too wet. When voir is at field capacity, it will be nice and fluffy and it wont feel wet. And ull only get a couple drops of water from squeezing a handful. I like to make mine on the dry side, it's easier to add water after than take it out.



What about contams that enter the sub while transferring to the mono? Am I understanding that maybe this doesn’t need to be as sterile as the spawn prep? I usually try to mix everything quick after i sterilize the mono best I can and then get the lid shut? Now I feel like that’s a lot of drama for nothing?

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919262 - 04/06/19 11:07 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

A whole lot of drama for nothing lol. Just the agar/spawn making process needs to be sterile. Once ur jars are colonized u don't need to be sterile anymore. It's a whole lot to explain on here. But basically ur bulk substrate is naturally contams resistant. Grains, are contam magnets. But once grain is colonized mycelium can fight things off. So when u spawn ur tubs, d ont worry about contamination getting in. U could sneeze on a monotub and it would be fine.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919289 - 04/06/19 11:31 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

good info!!

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919299 - 04/06/19 11:38 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

If those jars came from the same syringe that is showing tons of bacteria on agar, I'd just throw a healthy top layer of coir in each pint, place as many as possible in tubs and mist as needed.

I can't tell from the picture of the grain but if they're heavily bacterial you'll have much more luck hunting for clones if you top fruit them.

And yes, as nob said, high nutrition = high contam possibilities. Spawn, agar, LC... are all very susceptible to contams because they are very high in nutrition. We use coir as a substrate specifically because it holds a ton of water and is low in nutrition.

It is a good idea to be as clean as practically possible while spawning tubs but you really don't have to. I often spawn bare handed without showering or putting n freshly laundered clothes first.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #25919330 - 04/06/19 12:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

The jars and from a multispore syringe different from any of the plates. I thought the jars looked pretty clean myself and they break up easy and rocolonize fast so I’m figuring I should give them a try? And great to no about preparing the tubs! I will still be careful but all that extra work takes a lot of time.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919381 - 04/06/19 12:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

If they look clean and break apart easy I'd say ur good to go. Just inspect them all before u spawn them. U seem kinda anal tho so I'm sure u would have noticed mold already lol. No offense.

Sometimes u can't go by what other people say. Gotta use ur own judgment and just see what happens. I've had plenty of people say my jars were bad but everything went just fine.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919477 - 04/06/19 01:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #25919508 - 04/06/19 02:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve looked over them pretty well just as u suspected! Lol. I don’t see anything wrong with them so I’m gonna go for it.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919515 - 04/06/19 02:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

The 3 good trays really eating up the agar

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919549 - 04/06/19 02:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Those are actually lookin pretty good. right on.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #25919591 - 04/06/19 03:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919938 - 04/06/19 06:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

The 3rd one looks like a sperm :rolleyes:

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25919946 - 04/06/19 06:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

So on a mono tub do u guys wait for consolidation before fruiting or just colonization? If so how long I usually do my cakes till I see knots.

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: nube424]
    #25919949 - 04/06/19 06:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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The 3rd one looks like a sperm :rolleyes:



Lol it’s a colonized piece of grain

Edited by Hippiebait (04/06/19 06:39 PM)

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Re: Teach a newb to grow magic [Re: Hippiebait]
    #25920011 - 04/06/19 07:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

i usually introduce my tubs to fruiting conditions right when i spawn them. Works like a charm. When you see knots on cakes is all about what genetics you have.

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