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LegionOfShroom


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Fuzzy feet? 1
#25918516 - 04/05/19 09:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I’ve got what I believe is just fuzzy feet from lack of FAE (unmodded shoebox with lid unsnapped). I’ve never seen it this bad before though, and wanted to confirm that’s what it looks like and not like a contam. The fruit pictured was an early bird and just harvested, I left the lid flipped upside down now to allow for more FAE
Also this fruit grew over 3 inches horizontally then turned up and grew vertically about 1.5 inches then popped its cap. Maybe has to do with FAE? Maybe it’s just a weird one? Idk
Edited by LegionOfShroom (04/06/19 02:56 PM)
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Boogieman47
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That sub looks super wet dude I'd leave the lid pretty open and allow it to get maximum fae to dry out a little
And yes that's fuzzy feet
Edited by Boogieman47 (04/05/19 10:38 PM)
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scarabaeus
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I'm guessing that this is the first flush? Or maybe better said premature first flush? If so, when the real first flush comes, fuzzy won't be so pronounced. Boogie ^ may be right, and if he is, by the time you get a good pinset for the next flush, your sub will have stabilized enough (dried out a bit), to make Mr. fuzzy a non-issue (as long as you don't mist or don't allow for a bit of air exchange). However IME, fuzzy feet can be genetic, but what you have there does seem a bit extreme IMO.
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scarabaeus
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Is that coir you used as a casing? If so, maybe your myc is confused, i.e., it consumed your sub material, you cased it, and then instead of forming pins and going into fruiting mode, it started to revert back to grow and consume nutrients mode - thus fuzzy? Just a thought , I have seen it happen. I have never seen good things happen from using coir as a casing material.
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scarabaeus
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Looking at a bigger/better screen now. Doesn't look wet. I'm putting my money on my above ^ post, i.e., coir makes a bad casing material.
Let's get to the bottom of this; there is no right or wrong. But there is a proper answer. Keep us informed OP.
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teladi
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Those guys are begging for more FAE.
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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: Fuzzy feet? [Re: teladi]
#25918977 - 04/06/19 07:28 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Once they go furry, low FAE is what you should worry.
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bodhisatta 
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Probably fuzzy feet from too much water. Also hence the lack of mushrooms. Good luck getting too little fae with a shoebox
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LegionOfShroom


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Thanks for the advice everybody! I had no idea too much water could also be responsible for the fuzz. This was a straight coir casing applied at spawn. This was the first fruit in the box. There’s a mediocre pinset coming up now.
I’ve noticed my TC cultures do not seam to colonize the casing layer as much as the GT I have going. I’ve misted a few times since spawning because the coir seamed to be getting dryer than it was originally... I’ll continue to dial in my technique! Thanks
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bodhisatta said: Good luck getting too little fae with a shoebox.
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LegionOfShroom


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To your point about the myc from the fruit body reverting and trying to consume the coir, I don’t believe this was the case in this instance. When I harvested the fruit it was only fused together with the coir at the very base as usual. Interesting theory though, thanks for the input.
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scarabaeus
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Coir IMO is not a good casing material as it does have some nutritive properties. I stopped using nutritive casing materials (like peat) because I don't want my myc to start eating again, I want it to fruit (plus some peats contam easily). Many people don't case at all and have great grows.
So why case at all? Mushrooms are 85 to 90% water {or whatever it is), so as mushrooms grow they take water from the substrate. A CASED tub will give water from both the substrate AND the casing material. IMO it is easier to keep the mushrooms coming by rehydrating the casing layer with simple misting rather than dunking a tub/shoebox/whatever. I'm sure others prefer just to dunk.
The best way is the way that brings you the best results I guess. If you are going to case, my formula is 5 cups vermiculite mixed with 1/4 cup gypsum. The gypsum gives the verm a more soil-like consistency and makes it easier to pick the shroomies as opposed to no casing. I'm not saying it is the best way to do it, but it IS the way I do it lol. The above formula gives about a 1/2 inch casing layer in a 13 inch by 11 inch dishwashing tub which is what I use.
For a shoe box, 3 cups verm and a tablespoon or so of gypsum mixed dry and then moistened should do it. Don't have gypsum? -some people just use straight verm., but it might make it harder to read how wet it is. The above method is not shroomery consensus, but it does work for me and some other local growers in my parts so I'm just throwing it out there for whatever it's worth. Good luck regardless, peace yo...
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scarabaeus said: Coir IMO is not a good casing material as it does have some nutritive properties. I stopped using nutritive casing materials (like peat) because I don't want my myc to start eating again, I want it to fruit (plus some peats contam easily).
I'm not here to argue your usage, but I just want to point out that you say coir has nutritive properties and that's why you don't like it, but then use verm as your alternative? Vermiculite has quite a bit of nutritional value. I feel like you're arguing against one thing but using something very similar instead. Just doesn't make sense.
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bodhisatta 
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There's a plerotus species that grows off rainwater runoff and limestone is its substrate. Mushrooms hardly need much nutrition and lots of things that would be non nutritional to most organisms can be broken down by some type of fungi. Most fungi can slowly break down coir and some can do it really well.
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scarabaeus
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I can't get your link to work, could you give me an idea of how a mineral has nutritive value? OK, now I got it. This is interesting. I was aware that some fungi make enzymes that break down minerals, but I haven't seen a paper that goes into such detail in a while, thanks for the link. I will get into it with fervor when I have more time.
Regardless, I believe that the nutrients in coir (or peat) are more available as food for a greater number of organisms (in this case potential contaminants) than vermiculite.
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bodhisatta 
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Wet coir can be left out for months and never goes bad. Wet vermiculite left out molds up in a week
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scarabaeus
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I just realized that I only answered one part of your two part inquiry. I can't say with any certainty that myc reverts back to vegetative growth, my experience is totally anecdotal -conclusions based on observing my own grows along with those of fellow growers (never ran any controls). All I can say as it appears to have happened, and it hasn't happened since I switched to a verm/gypsum mix casing. BTW, you are always welcome to question my posts. I'm here to help when I can but also to learn stuff! If I didn't learn stuff I would just get bored and go do something else. Re:Bodhi , thanks, you gave me something to think about.
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scarabaeus
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I just pasteurized 2 containers. One of coir, the other vermiculite. Both will be left in open air. I'm curious to see what happens. Hmm...
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scarabaeus
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Re: shaper dream. I'm home from work. There are 7 I think nutritive values. Carbohydrates, fats, amino acids (proteins), minerals, I can't remember the rest. Vermiculite has only one of the 7, i.e., minerals. Just because it has an N P K rating doesn't mean much. True, fungi and other microorganisms can release them (the nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium), but compared to coir or peat, it is relatively dead. Coir has at least carbs and minerals, I don't know what else, but it certainly is more nutritive than vermiculite. One cannot be exchanged for the other when used in the context of nutritive value. If Coir works as a casing material for you -fantastic! Personally I've had probs with it.
What it comes down to is that there is no wrong or right about it. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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scarabaeus said: If Coir works as a casing material for you -fantastic! Personally I've had probs with it.
It depends on what you mean by casing. I do use coir for a top layer because I find it easier for getting to field capacity than verm for me and that's all (also verm would be an extra material to buy). But when it comes to proper casings (for like pans) I'm going to be working with jiffy mix likely and see how that works.
Like I said, my question wasn't about if it works or not, it was more about the methodology of your logic. Thanks for following up on this, can you link if you start a thread following those two jars?
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scarabaeus
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I totally get why coir works for you as a top layer. My guess is that it is made up of cellulose and lignins -2 things that cubes don't digest very well (like the woodlovers do). Cubes do at least eat the cellulose in corrugated cardboard a lttle bit, because that is how I maintain my cultures for long time storage. I have lost lots of agar slants but glass vials filled with cardbard disks (made with a hole punch) seems to last longer -I don't know why. Didn't mean to get off topic.
I would guess that coir doesn't contam easily because the way it is processed, as far as I understand it is washed many times to remove salts and this cleaning process removes most of the microorganisms that can make using peat a pain. Of course some fungal species require a 'live' casing material to trigger fruiting -maybe pans do better with a 'live' casing material (pasteurized but not sterilized or at least sanitized by processing like coir)? IDK. One of these days I'm going to go nuts with pans experiments because I never had great success with them. Good luck with 'em.
My job is about to get real crazy so I probably won't be able to post for a bit, but I will try. My guess about the two jars is that neither will contam lol, but who knows? Will try to keep all informed. I hope I didn't ramble but by this time of day I'm usually very bleary-eyed and fogged out because I work weird hours. Good luck with your endeavors, especially the pans.
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