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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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    #25915342 - 04/04/19 12:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

"Every father is given the opportunity to corrupt his daughter's nature, and the educator, husband, or psychiatrist then has to face the music. For what has been spoiled by the father can only be made good by a father, just as what has been spoiled by the mother can only be repaired by a mother. The disastrous repetition of the family pattern could be described as the psychological original sin, or as the curse of the Atrides running through the generations." (Carl Jung, Mysterium Coniunctionis)

"Covetousness is both the beginning and the end of the devil's alphabet - the first vice in corrupt nature that moves, and the last which dies." Michel de Montaigne


“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct one to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.” (Friedrich Nietzsche)


"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." (Paulo Freire)



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

"Attention may last a second. That is good enough. Don't be greedy to have more. In the greed to have more, you have already created the centre, and then you are caught."
〜 J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: corruption [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #25916023 - 04/04/19 07:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

If you want to have a good fight with someone and destroy them, then that's what you do, "you're a bad kid." You don't bother with the subtleties, you just go right for the jugular. "You're a bad, stupid kid, you've always been that way, you're hopeless, and there is not a chance of teaching you anything." That way you can nail the past, present and future to the same insult. "You've always been a terrible person, there's no teaching you, and your future is going to be exactly the same way." The only thing a person can do if you do that to them is hit you, because that's it, there's no coming back from that, you've boxed them completely in. So if you want to have a really unproductive argument, you go for this, past, present and future, "you're not a good person", and you demolish their entire conceptual structure, and you expose them completely naked to chaos. Great, you won the argument. This is not a good thing to do to your long term partner, unless you want them terrified out of their skull, and their attitude toward you as non-stop extreme resentment. ("What is it that constitutes a good parent?" Jordan Peterson)


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

"Attention may last a second. That is good enough. Don't be greedy to have more. In the greed to have more, you have already created the centre, and then you are caught."
〜 J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: corruption [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #25916115 - 04/04/19 07:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The only thing a person can do if you do that to them is hit you




Probably meant "Hate" not 'hit'.


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Re: corruption [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #25916167 - 04/04/19 08:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Fifty-eight, Tao Te Ching

When the country is ruled with a light hand
The people are simple.
When the country is ruled with severity,
The people are cunning.

Happiness is rooted in misery.
Misery lurks beneath happiness.
Who knows what the future holds?
There is no honesty.
Honesty becomes dishonest.
Goodness becomes witchcraft.
Man's bewitchment lasts for a long time.

Therefore the sage is sharp but not cutting,
Pointed but not piercing,
Straightforward but not unrestrained,
Brilliant but not blinding.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

"Attention may last a second. That is good enough. Don't be greedy to have more. In the greed to have more, you have already created the centre, and then you are caught."
〜 J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: corruption [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #25916264 - 04/04/19 09:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ah so...the cunning and dishonesty, bred by hate, are encompassed in the terminology of "hit".


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Re: corruption [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #25916275 - 04/04/19 09:19 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Generally, in order to hit you have to hate.  And then there's the "to generalize is to be an idiot."


Sixty-eight, Tao te Ching

A good soldier is not violent.
A good fighter is not angry.
A good winner is not vengeful
A good employer is humble.
This is known as the Virtue of not striving.
This is known as ability to deal with people.
This since ancient times has been known as the ultimate unity with heaven.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

"Attention may last a second. That is good enough. Don't be greedy to have more. In the greed to have more, you have already created the centre, and then you are caught."
〜 J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


Edited by Cory Duchesne (04/04/19 09:20 PM)


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Re: corruption [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #25916297 - 04/04/19 09:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Having proposed a short treatise on what is 'good' we might entreat the author to propose a short treatise on what is "heaven".


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Re: corruption [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #25916320 - 04/04/19 09:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

THIRTY-NINE, Tao Te Ching

These things from ancient times arise from one:
The sky is whole and clear.
The earth is whole and firm.
The spirit is whole and strong.
the valley is whole and full.
The ten thousand things are whole and alive.
Kings and lords are whole, and the country is upright.
All these are in virtue of wholeness.

The clarity of the sky prevents its falling.
The firmness of the earth prevents its splitting.
The strength of the spirit prevents its being used up.
The fullness of the valley prevents its running dry.
The growth of the ten thousand things prevents their dying out.
The leadership of kings and lords prevents the downfall
of the country.

Therefore the humble is the root of the noble.
The low is the foundation of the high.
Princes and lords consider themselves
"orphaned," "widowed," and "worthless."
Do they not depend on being humble?

Too much success is not an advantage.
Do not tinkle like jade
Or clatter like stone chimes.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

"Attention may last a second. That is good enough. Don't be greedy to have more. In the greed to have more, you have already created the centre, and then you are caught."
〜 J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: corruption [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #25916335 - 04/04/19 10:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The heaven won by cunning and dishonesty cannot be denied to be a heaven.


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Re: corruption [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #25916390 - 04/04/19 10:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

from, Torch of Certainty, Jamgon Kongtrul

UNWHOLESOME ACTION

These are the three unwholesome acts:

1. Do not consciously take the life of any living being, even an ant, for when it comes to life there is no big or small.
2. Do no secretly take another’s property when it hasn’t been offered to you.
3. Do not indulge in sexual intercourse with an inappropriate partner: one who has taken vows or is married to someone else; at an inappropriate place; near a guru, shrine room or stupa; or in an inappropriate manner; orally or anally.  These are the four unchaste acts.

4. Do not consciously lie
5. Do not slander; that is, say things which will promote discord
6. Do not speak ill of others; that is, call a man a thief or half wit or hurt his feelings by cruelly exposing his faults.
7. Do not engage in idle chatter about military or business matters, about women, or engage in frivolous songs, dances, jokes, etc.
8. Do not covet someone else's money, wife, reputation, thinking, oh, if only I had that!
9. Do not resent others; that is, be displeased by their happiness or good fortune.
10. Do not hold perverted views, that is, doubt the existence of action, cause and effect.

WHOLESOME ACTION

1. Instead of killing, save lives
2. Instead of stealing, distribute your food and money
3. Preserve moral conduct whether anyone is watching or not.
4. Speak truthfully
5. Patch up quarrels caused by slander
6. Use gentle words
7. Discuss worthwhile topics
8. Rejoice in the good fortune of others
9. Think only of their benefit
10. Hear the views of another sect, do not denounce them, but have faith in the Buddha’s words.

THE EIGHT HEAVENLY QUALITIES

1. Long life, since you have stopped harming others.
2. a pleasing form, since you have offered lamps, clothing and so on;
3. noble birth, since you have humbly paid homage to the guru or religious companions;
4. the power of wealth, since you have given poor learned men, the sick and needy, all that they wanted.
5. authoritative speech, since you have only spoken constructively
6. ____
7. ____
8. ____
9. ____
10.____



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

"Attention may last a second. That is good enough. Don't be greedy to have more. In the greed to have more, you have already created the centre, and then you are caught."
〜 J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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