Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   North Spore Bulk Substrate   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineLogicaL ChaosM
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/12/07
Posts: 71,179
Loc: The Inexpressible... Flag
Last seen: 21 hours, 38 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Mateja]
    #25912742 - 04/03/19 03:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thats below freezing! Just playinnn...is 25C an ideal temp?

I would only heat the jars. The heat from the lamp for fruiting i use is enough.

However, i plan on experimenting with heated fruiting conditions. I think i have a hunch....

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDurgin
Amateur Mad Scientist
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/23/19
Posts: 446
Last seen: 8 months, 20 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25913197 - 04/03/19 09:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
The main problem with heating jars is it got the insides too hot, which bred infections.





Yeah, that's why I stopped after my first batch of brf jars. From what I gather they're more resistant to contamination than grain in the first place, and perhaps the verm content helps moderate the heat generation compared to straight grain? But mostly, they're so cheap and easy to make that if I lost a couple it wouldn't be a big deal. I'd actually consider trying it again for BRF (the heated jars colonized about 10-12 days faster on average), but not for grain.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSpikeSpiegel
Mold Hand
I'm a teapot


Registered: 07/30/18
Posts: 162
Loc: EUSSR
Last seen: 5 months, 10 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Mrgreen42]
    #25914739 - 04/04/19 02:31 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mrgreen42 said:
I don't think I've ever read about anybody on here having good results trying to use a heating device.




That might be because you hear from people who fail a lot more than those who succeed. "You never hear from happy customers, only angry ones" kind of thing.

There are threads on here with TC's chiming in that they use or have used heat during colonization.

People get bad results from incubators because either their technique is poor anyway and the extra heat just accelerates the inevitable, or because they don't test their heat sources well enough before using theme to establish that nothing will go wrong. Hot pockets inside the incubator, overheating the incubator, getting jars too close to the heat source, misreading temperature readings, etc. There are a lot of ways to misuse added heat and screw something up.

But if you live in a place where your whole house is 50-60 for months at a time and you want to grow, it's stupid not to do something about it. If all incubators and supplementation of heat during colonization were a problem then you'd hear of a lot more failures from people in hot climates who let their jars colonize naturally in ambient temps in the high 70s and low 80s, of whom there are plenty. There would probably be teks explaining how people in hot places can cool down their jars while colonizing.

Spend the proper time dialing in a good incubator and it'll treat you very well.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMateja
 Unread Journal User Gallery

Registered: 07/14/16
Posts: 7,948
Loc: Here
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: SpikeSpiegel]
    #25914828 - 04/04/19 04:10 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Why do growers just mention incubation/colonization when they talk about their houses being a fridge?
If you need heat to colonize cakes/substrates then you will surely need it to fruit as well.
So I wanna hear about heating FC's from all of you who recommend heating colonizing jars! :popcorn:


--------------------
Cakes inside Water Tub

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSpikeSpiegel
Mold Hand
I'm a teapot


Registered: 07/30/18
Posts: 162
Loc: EUSSR
Last seen: 5 months, 10 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Mateja]
    #25915701 - 04/04/19 03:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mateah said:
Why do growers just mention incubation/colonization when they talk about their houses being a fridge?
If you need heat to colonize cakes/substrates then you will surely need it to fruit as well.
So I wanna hear about heating FC's from all of you who recommend heating colonizing jars! :popcorn:




There are bunch of ways to do it. A few ideas that can be tested/mixed/matched:

Cakes:
Put a waterproof low-watt reptile heating cable at the bottom of the chamber, backfill with perlite, use something like a thin styrofoam sheet with holes in it as a heat buffer if needed
Put a low-watt heating mat under the chamber
Insulate a larger chamber with thin styrofoam sheeting, add a low-watt heat source, stand the cakes off from the heat as needed, stick an LED lightbulb into the top of the container
Build one of those heat bombs, which is an aquarium heater glued and waterproofed to the inside of a big plastic or glass bottle, and surround it with cakes like a bunch of heatseeking worshipers praying to their deity in a circular ceremony

Bulk:
Run a small space heater or portable radiator in a closet on a timer
Drape a blanket or two over the space under a desk or table against a wall or in a corner and stick a little heater in there on a thermostat
Gut, insulate and heat a dresser or chest of drawers
If you're more industrious build a box out of luan or just insulated sheeting, if it's well insulated you don't need much of a heat source

The closer and more directly applied your heat source is to whatever you're doing with it, incubating or fruiting, the more it will affect the culture and spawn/substrate directly - drying out grains, moving water around, etc. So the best way to do any of it by far is to just heat a room and adapt other variables to that.

In all cases the trick is to be SAFE with your heat sources and mindful of the temperatures you're creating in the environment.

I'm pretty sure most people go wrong with adding heat because it's a variable that needs attending to, or dialing in, or both, just like people go wrong with moisture content and humidity and air exchange, which also need attention and/or dialing in. Adding heat does complicate the process. It will throw off other variables that are different without an artificial heat source. So the heating and attention to other variables all need to be respected.

That said people probably always talk about adding heat during colonization and not fruiting because fruiting in 60F isn't quite as horrible as colonizing in it. It's still slow as shit and sucks compared to fruiting at 70 but the momentum of a strong culture by the time it gets to fruiting will move it along better than a couple wedges of agar onto grains. That shit takes forever below 60-62F.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Mateja]
    #25916110 - 04/04/19 06:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mateah said:
Quote:

LotKid said:
Quote:

Mateah said:
You don't need electricity to grow mushrooms ever, that just gets in the way.



Really? What's your trick to that? I use a good bit of electricity growing mushrooms.

Sterilzing alone requires gas or electricity.

How are you dehydrating? The sun and a stiff breeze?


Op... sometimes we have to buffer temps. Just keep an eye on things. An IR temp gun is good to have. :super:



With you logic you could also say that myc pays rent in your house because it lives in the house where you pay rent.
But I wouldn't call that myc is paying rent.
If you're heating your house you're doing it for yourself and myc is enjoying
that same comfort because you both live in room temp.
You're not doing anything extra electrical for the myc that you otherwise wouldn't have done anyway right?


If someone chooses to cultivate mushrooms in 12C outdoor instead of indoor at room temp then it won't be smooth sailing
and especially for a noob.
It literally takes one cubic foot of space to colonize and fruit 5 BRF cakes.
If you don't have a cubic foot of space to cultivate mushrooms then maybe you should wait until you are able to.



My logic doesn't lead to myc paying rent just because it's enoying your room temp. I don't know how you got that. But in the winter I buffer my spawn rooms to higher temp than what is required for my comfort. So yes, keeping my spawn happy means using more electricity than I would use soley for my comfort. So yes, I heat my house more to keep my projects comfortable.

And I use more than 1 cubic foot of space for my spawn. But hey, what do I know about running spawn anyway, right?



--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Mateja]
    #25916114 - 04/04/19 06:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mateah said:
Why do growers just mention incubation/colonization when they talk about their houses being a fridge?
If you need heat to colonize cakes/substrates then you will surely need it to fruit as well.
So I wanna hear about heating FC's from all of you who recommend heating colonizing jars! :popcorn:



Yes I buffer my fruiting rooms the same way. With a radiant heater. It's actually quite common.

I can't understand how you're unfamilar with such basic and common practices.


--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinenealcassidy19
|==|iiii|>-----


Registered: 12/01/18
Posts: 12
Last seen: 2 months, 21 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #25932847 - 04/13/19 05:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Update:  approx 10 days after inoculation.  Everything going as planned.  These are two of five 1/2 pint jars.  All are approximately the same amount of progress.




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinenealcassidy19
|==|iiii|>-----


Registered: 12/01/18
Posts: 12
Last seen: 2 months, 21 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: nealcassidy19]
    #25932858 - 04/13/19 05:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Clarification on why I chose to heat with a pad.  This is being done in a workshop / outbuilding that is kept at 55º when it is colder than that outside.  I could jack the heat up to 75º, but why heat 9600 cubic feet of space when I only need two cubic feet to be that warm at this point?

I am guessing that in a week or two, when the jars are 100% colonized and almost ready to go to fruiting, it will be in the 60s outside and that, combined with the solar gain from having three south-facing windows in the workshop, will make it unnecessary to provide extra heat to the grow.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: nealcassidy19]
    #25932860 - 04/13/19 05:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

They look healthy to me.

And I agree.... Buffer the area that needs it and as much is needed to keep things happy.

I've used heating pads in tubs to buffer small amounts of spawn.


--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJohnieweedseed
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/22/19
Posts: 84
Loc: US
Last seen: 5 months, 10 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #25932986 - 04/13/19 06:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

That incubation room is fuckin sweeet 👀

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Johnieweedseed]
    #25932989 - 04/13/19 06:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Colonization not incubation. :wink:


--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJohnieweedseed
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/22/19
Posts: 84
Loc: US
Last seen: 5 months, 10 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LotKid]
    #25932998 - 04/13/19 06:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Either way bro it’s freakin sweet 😬

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Johnieweedseed]
    #25933000 - 04/13/19 06:43 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

:thanx:


--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJohnieweedseed
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/22/19
Posts: 84
Loc: US
Last seen: 5 months, 10 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LotKid]
    #25933003 - 04/13/19 06:45 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

This is only my third attempt doing this so I’m still picking up on the terminology 😅

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Johnieweedseed]
    #25933010 - 04/13/19 06:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

It's all good. You'll get it. But yeah... we're trying to get away from the "incubation" thing.

It seems to imply using higher temps than are required.




--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Edited by LotKid (04/13/19 06:56 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMateja
 Unread Journal User Gallery

Registered: 07/14/16
Posts: 7,948
Loc: Here
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LotKid]
    #25933017 - 04/13/19 06:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

'incubation' implies an additional process besides colonization, but there is no other process needed.


--------------------
Cakes inside Water Tub

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJohnieweedseed
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/22/19
Posts: 84
Loc: US
Last seen: 5 months, 10 days
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: LotKid]
    #25933019 - 04/13/19 06:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Gotcha bud thanks for the info!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Johnieweedseed]
    #25933021 - 04/13/19 06:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

But it is okay to heat and cool as required to keep temps in the sweet spot. As long as you're in the 70's for colonization and fruiting... it's all on your skills from there. :super:


--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Providing heat for BRF jars [Re: Mateja]
    #25933030 - 04/13/19 07:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Johnieweedseed said:
Gotcha bud thanks for the info!





Quote:

Mateah said:
'incubation' implies an additional process besides colonization, but there is no other process needed.



Back in the day I used to use "incubation" to help facilitate the "colonization" process. So I have never considered it an extra step or process. That's why I say that using the word "incubation" implies using higher temps. And if you search "incubation" that's what you're gonna get.... old school TIT setups using aquarium heaters and saying keep your jars @ 86F. Am I guilty of doing that nonsense for longer than I care to admit? You fucking right I am.

Words are important when that's all we're dealing with here...


--------------------

:mushroom2: LotKid's PE Tips        :shpongle:    LotKid's Chocolates :mushroom2:
:dancingbear: :dancingbear:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   North Spore Bulk Substrate   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Re: What is the best way to heat your jars during growth time? Anonymous 2,206 14 01/04/00 02:44 AM
by Booger
* BRF jar to jar innoculation Ether_Bunny 2,223 1 02/06/02 11:17 AM
by MickyFinn
* Re: Heating incubating jars Anonymous 1,569 7 04/02/00 06:10 PM
by Anonymous
* birdseed vs. verm/brf jars..whcih is easier4aNEWB? pimp420 2,925 12 06/06/02 02:44 PM
by pimp420
* Condensation in BRF jars ? Action_Man 2,919 4 02/20/02 12:01 AM
by moxjet20
* Brf + Wormcastings substrate SlamDog_C 1,883 5 04/13/02 05:14 AM
by SlamDog_C
* heating pad while colonizing? gaastra 2,961 8 09/07/01 09:35 AM
by patzee
* questions about colonization and heat... roykinn 620 1 10/17/01 06:28 PM
by FungusFarmer

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
1,499 topic views. 25 members, 111 guests and 92 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2025 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.024 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 13 queries.