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Christians band together against dirty Bush.
    #2590859 - 04/22/04 01:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/04/22/churches.bush/index.html

Church group slams Bush on Clean Air Act

SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- A national group of Christian leaders is sending a scathing letter to President Bush to coincide with Earth Day, accusing his administration of chipping away at the Clean Air Act.

The National Council of Churches argued that planned changes to power plant regulations will allow major polluters to avoid installing pollution-control equipment when they expand their facilities.

"In a spirit of shared faith and respect, we feel called to express grave moral concern about your 'Clear Skies' initiative -- which we believe is The Administration's continuous effort to weaken critical environmental standards to protect God's creation," the council wrote in an advance copy of the letter provided to The Associated Press.

The New-York based group, which represents 50 million people in 140,000 Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox congregations, said it was sending its two-page letter to the president on Thursday, as people all over the country celebrate Earth Day. It took out a full-page ad in The New York Times, scheduled to run in Thursday's editions, calling on Bush to leave the Clean Air Act's new source review rules in place.

The Environmental Protection Agency did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday, but the agency has defended the rule changes proposed in August. EPA Administrator Mike Leavitt has called it "the biggest investment in the air quality improvement in the nation's history."

The proposal would cap emissions and allow polluters to buy and sell pollution allowances, but environmental groups complain the new system would be far too lenient. In December a federal appeals court temporarily blocked the new rules from taking effect, agreeing with more than a dozen states and cities that contended the changes could cause irreparable harm to their environments and public health.

"The people we talk to, both inside and outside the administration, say ... that these changes will in fact weaken, not strengthen the Clean Air Act," said the Rev. Bob Edgar, a United Methodist minister and the church council's general secretary.

"And we will in fact have dirtier air and less compliance," said Edgar, who served six terms in Congress in the 1970s and '80s, representing a suburban Philadelphia district. The council is urging ministers across the country to talk about the problems of air pollution during this week's services.

Monica Myers, pastor at Seattle's Northwest Christian Church, a Disciples of Christ congregation, said she doesn't plan to bash Bush in her sermon Sunday. Instead, she said she'll simply remind her congregation that pollution and other environmental problems tend to affect the poor more harshly than those who can afford to live in places far away from polluting factories or toxic waste sites.

"I want to emphasize that their faith should direct them as they vote," she said. "Responsible Christians should weigh the teachings of Jesus Christ, especially as they speak of those who are poor and marginalized."

The council joined the Evangelical Environmental Network in a "What would Jesus drive?" campaign in 2002, urging the auto industry to adopt stricter emissions standards and calling on SUV owners to switch to more fuel-efficient vehicles.


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: afoaf]
    #2590921 - 04/22/04 02:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I thought Christians only cared about dirty magazines.


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2590955 - 04/22/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Contrary to popular belief, many Christians are sane and rational people. It is the powerfull movement of evangelical rapture-awaiting ones don't care about the environment (the world'll end soon anyway) and are very concerned about dirty magazines and godless Muslims.


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: phi1618]
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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: afoaf]
    #2592009 - 04/22/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

did you know they have landfills for old sex toys and porno magazines?


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: afoaf]
    #2592097 - 04/22/04 08:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The proposal would cap emissions and allow polluters to buy and sell pollution allowances, but environmental groups complain the new system would be far too lenient


I like the idea of this system, make them stocks of sorts. A Company can buy a bunch of them and drive up the value of them. This will give incentive to develop technology to lower emissions so they can sell off their excess polluting shares. Also, who is to say some enviromental organization cannot buy a bunch of them and just hold onto them? The key is making sure the government doesn't keep raising the polluting cap.


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2592182 - 04/22/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There should also be a explicit clause in the law that states that it will in no way prevent anyone from suing a polluter for damages resulting from emissions even though such emissions may be allowed by the government.


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: afoaf]
    #2593744 - 04/23/04 05:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Has the Bush administration trashed the environment?
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On the eve of "Earth Day," the Bush administration stands accused of trashing the nation's environment. The New York Times similarly indicted the administration in its recent Sunday magazine cover story: "Changing the Rules -- How the Bush Administration Quietly -- and Radically -- Transformed the Nation's Clean-Air Policy."

I asked Dr. S. Fred Singer, an atmospheric physicist, to take a look at the article. He has served as the first director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, chief scientist of the U.S. Department of Transportation; deputy assistant administrator for policy in the Environmental Protection Agency; and deputy assistant secretary of the Department of the Interior. His many books include "Global Climate Change," "The Greenhouse Debate Continued," and "Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate."

Larry Elder: John Kerry said that Bush has the worst environmental record in recent history, or in modern history. What's your reaction to that?

S. Fred Singer: That's just political hogwash. We have data that the environment is getting better. I mean, I don't really think it's because of Bush, but the Environmental Protection Agency has been continually enforcing standards, both on air and water pollution, and as a result, air and water are getting cleaner every year.

Elder: Has Bush quietly and radically transformed the nation's clean-air policy? And, if so, is that a bad thing?

Singer: I don't think there has been any such transformation. In fact, since Bush came to the White House, he's announced a policy to control mercury emissions from power plants, which is something that had not been done previously, and I think he is going to enforce that. So I don't see why the New York Times complains, but I suppose this is an election year and complaints of this sort are in order.

Elder: Bush has been criticized for, as the Los Angeles Times put it, "turn(ing) his back on (the) global warming treaty." Remember the global warming treaty? Congress unanimously passed a resolution saying that if Al Gore goes over to Japan and negotiates a global warming treaty that excludes Third World countries, it is going to be dead on arrival. John Kerry is one of those who voted for that resolution, saying that we're not going to ratify it if it excludes Third World countries. It does exclude Third World countries.

Singer: That'll be a unanimous vote in the U.S. Senate.

Elder: Tell me about global warming. Is there a consensus? Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Is it clearly damaging the environment?

Singer: I think the simplest way to talk about it is to look at it, ask questions: Is the climate actually warming? And then you have to look at the data. And the data that I'm most familiar with, and I think the best data that we have, come from weather satellites because they make observations of the whole globe every day and they're good instruments. They tell us the climate is not warming significantly. So this is not a problem. To attack a non-problem with a measure that would really damage our economy, I think would just be completely irresponsible.

Elder: The article talks about Bush's final energy policy, which was announced May 16, 2001, "The policy's defining notion was simple: environmental regulations have constrained America's domestic energy supply. In broad strokes, the N.E.P. laid out the next three years of the Bush administration's energy and environmental agenda: roll back wilderness and wildlife protections to open up more public land to oil and gas development; establish fast-track hydropower permits; expand offshore oil and gas drilling; and replace tough Clean Air Act rules, including new-source review, with an industry-friendly market-based pollution trading system."

Singer: The energy bill that's before the Congress is immensely complicated, and includes many, many items I would not agree with. For example, substituting ethanol for gasoline as a fuel is wasteful, both economically wasteful, and also environmentally. It is an extremely expensive solution to the problem, and it doesn't even save any energy. It's a terrible idea. Also, the idea of sequestration of carbon dioxide; this is another terrible idea. (There are) a number of things in the energy bill that I, personally, would not care for. But, on the whole, I think it is not a bad piece of legislation. I think what's going to happen though is that they will probably pass it in small steps.

Elder: This is a political question, and you may not want to answer it. Why do you suppose the Republicans have such a black eye about the environment?

Singer: I think it has to do with the fact that the green organizations tend to be oriented toward the Democratic Party. It's as simple as that. It's been this way now for many, many years. They have been strong supporters of Al Gore, and they simply haven't forgiven George Bush for beating Al Gore.



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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2594586 - 04/23/04 01:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

more mercury in the water is good?

passing along cleanup to taxpayers while protecting the
corporate polluters is good?

repealing clean air standards is good?

drilling for oil in ANWAR is good?

spare me the partisan conspiracy theories...


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Re: Christians band together against dirty Bush. [Re: afoaf]
    #2594767 - 04/23/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you had a choice between drilling in Alaska vs. spending billions killing lots of brown people in the mideast, taking their oil and breeding new terrorists, which would you prefer as the lesser of two evils?


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