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Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery * 1
    #25904258 - 03/29/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

At first my car was starting sluggish so i replaced the battery as an assumption. Then a couple days later. Kept getting the same problem and eventually my car just didnt start again. We moved it inside and took the starter out to have it tested, tested fine so we assumed the ground wasnt in all the way. We put it back in made sure all the grounds were tight and it slowly started up, we thought it was slow because we drained the battery so we ran it a bit then turned it off and tried again. It turned over but didn't start, then it stopped trying to turn over at all. We're scratching our heads


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904314 - 03/29/19 04:11 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: Kellythefoot]
    #25904330 - 03/29/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904339 - 03/29/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Doesnt the alternator keep the car running? I thought it was how the battery got charge, not how the engine turned over... Also, all the electronics work amazingly.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904450 - 03/29/19 05:28 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

the alternator charges the battery as the car is running and also powers the electrical system. the engine wont get any gas if you have electric fuel injection.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904457 - 03/29/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

the battery gives the car enough charge to start up but the car doesnt run on the battery.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904483 - 03/29/19 05:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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the battery gives the car enough charge to start up but the car doesnt run on the battery.



Exactly. We've got plenty of power, it just doesnt want to crank. Its not a gas issue because it's not getting that far, all we get is a single click


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904485 - 03/29/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Once it gets started it runs fine, it just doesn't want to try starting


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904491 - 03/29/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

maybe the starter? or clogged up fuel injectors. what year is the car?


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904496 - 03/29/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

check the spark plugs and wires. those are super cheap to replace


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904498 - 03/29/19 05:40 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Lol, i already said the starter tested fine we've had it out and back in, it started once but that was it. Its a 93. If the fuel injectors were clogged it should still try to turn over, it just wouldn't get fuel, correct?


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904501 - 03/29/19 05:41 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

It's not a spark issue, may be a bad cable somewhere tho


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904513 - 03/29/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

yeah sorry i forgot u mentioned the starter lol check all wires and connections. could be some corrosive issue. also look at fuses.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904514 - 03/29/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Could just be your ignition


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904524 - 03/29/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

i had alternator issues on a 90s Pontiac sunbird. would run fine but had issues starting. replaced the alternator and issue solved.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904535 - 03/29/19 05:50 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

One way to test if you alternator is bad is to start the car and unhook your battery ... if its having issues turning over it's more then likely your ignition or some other type of electrical I would say its mechanical


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25904537 - 03/29/19 05:51 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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i had alternator issues on a 90s Pontiac sunbird. would run fine but had issues starting. replaced the alternator and issue solved.




:whathesaid:

Sounds like the alternator to me. Find it and hit that fucker with a hammer a few times. Just tap it. Then try turning it over. It  won't always tell ya something. but it will sometimes.

More then likely it's the alternator from my experience with cars and its turning over like that.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904539 - 03/29/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not the best at vehicles, but I do alright. You check all fuses? Under the hood as well? Sometimes the steering column or the physical ignition cylinder can do that. I know more modern cars can do that, but 93? That's rocking it in the fays when I first got my license.... 85 Mercury cougar... Your my only friend! Good luck man, working on vehicles sucks!


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: Boogieman47]
    #25904571 - 03/29/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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One way to test if you alternator is bad is to start the car and unhook your battery ... if its having issues turning over it's more then likely your ignition or some other type of electrical I would say its mechanical



Lmao. It wont start :lol: alternators are also electromagnets. If it works it'll be magnetic. Havent checked it, but that's my next step. Its either the alternator or the ignition switch.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25904645 - 03/29/19 06:49 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Haha yeah I just mean in general if you aren't sure if it is your alternator... unhooking the battery while running the car will turn off if the alternator is bad ...


But will run if it's good..


And that was a fucked typo Haha I meant I dont think it is mechanical


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: Boogieman47]
    #25904661 - 03/29/19 06:55 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

If hes getting juice. And just getting clicking when he turns it over. It his alternator


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25905241 - 03/30/19 03:54 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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we drained the battery so we ran it a bit then turned it off and tried again.




You'll sooner fill a 5 gallon bucket with your own tears than an alternator will charge a battery. That battery needs a full 12+ hour juice from a proper charger.

Check battery cable resistance.  Don't bother if they're old and crusty, replace them anyway.  Do a visual check, make sure no wires are burned, connectors are snug, connectors aren't crumbling, etc.

When you get the car running again, check voltage at the battery terminals while it's idling.  If it's more than 15V, the voltage regulator is probably bad (the VR is usually integrated into the alternator these days, in which case your alternator is effectively shot) and it probably destroyed the battery too.  If it's less than 14V the alternator maybe shot, yank it and take it to the parts store for a test. 

If there's nothing wrong with the alternator, I'd next suspect the ignition switch - cheap and easy enough to just go ahead and throw the part at it.  If the new switch doesn't fix it, there's probably a wiring issue you'll have to track down.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25905245 - 03/30/19 04:01 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

problem will be related to fuel, air, or spark.  Possibly an electrical sensor like the cam or crankshaft sensor.  get a bright flashlight and take a good look at those.  Also Id check the EGR valve,  while your at it the IAC valve. EGR and IAC will get clogged with carbon and wont allow exhaust and air to circulate and breath.  Also check the TPS (throttle position sensor.) all are together in the same area.  don't replace an EGR, its not necessary, just clean it.  you'll hear the thingie inside slide up and down freely.

could be the battery terminal connectors that go into the battery posts.  sometimes they crack through the metal that goes over the posts.





first thing I would do is listen when I turn it to the on position and see if I could hear the fuel pump prime.  Next I would pull off the fuel line, hold it over a jar while someone turn the ignition to "on" again.  See if the fuel dribbles out of the fuel line or sprays out.  obviously no fuel coming out or a dribble would indicate that the fuel pump is bad or it could be the fuel sock is clogged..  anyway that is easy to check.  so is looking at the terminal connectors and cam and crank sensors.  The EGR is going to be two bolts.  you just spray it out with carb cleaner and that alone will give you better gas mileage.
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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: sprinkles]
    #25907105 - 03/31/19 02:03 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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It turned over but didn't start, then it stopped trying to turn over at all.



Did you check if the starter relay does switch on? Listen for its recognizable click (with your ear close to the relay itself) and measure with any old meter to check that it actually does switch on.

If the battery has been drained, make sure it's properly and fully charged and also check the clamp voltage; it should be 12V and not a penny less, but going by your posts you have already tried this.

To eliminate the problem of a faulty battery, see if you can borrow a known-good and fully charged battery (e.g. from another vehicle) or try starting using a booster pack.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: koraks]
    #25907688 - 03/31/19 12:04 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

The battery is literally brand new. Has less than half a dozen starts on it. We had it tested at oreilly and it was fine. Before we put it in we hooked it up and it did engage, we put it in and it started once but that was it. I told my old man some of you are convinced it's the alternator and hos exact words were "those people are higher than ten Indians in a peyote tent, they may as well have told you it was your breaks" and im inclined to believe him. The alternator has nothing to do with the starter engaging


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25908336 - 03/31/19 06:07 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Cool, sounds like you and your old man got this.  :thumbup:


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: stubb]
    #25909009 - 04/01/19 05:54 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Lol.  I love peyote. Such a pretty cactus

Yesh let us know if you get it fired up.


I got bet going with someone it's your alternator :lol:



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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: Yesum]
    #25909142 - 04/01/19 08:20 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Try switching the starter relay with one close to it like the defrost relay. Relays wear out specifically the contactors inside a relay, they get burnt and don't conduct very well if damaged. It sounds like you've checked the common stuff. Make sure the battery is fully charged before trying to start and never unplug a battery to see if alternators bad.


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: the astronaut]
    #25910032 - 04/01/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I'll bet it's not the alternator, alternator powers our accessories and keeps the battery charged. Alternator can only, not charge the battery or discharge the battery which would make starting very difficult without a jump.

Op locate starter, jump out the two terminals on the starter with an insulated screw driver. The two terminals would be the big one with the big red wire and the small one. If it cranks great then ignition switch or starter relay.

This should be an easy fix. Much easier than crank but no start.

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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: the astronaut] * 1
    #25910224 - 04/01/19 06:59 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

It was the starter all along. The rough trip to town must have loosened it up enough to test fine and give us a single start. We did exactly that to figure it out


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25910873 - 04/02/19 03:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: Boogieman47]
    #25910883 - 04/02/19 03:30 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Could just be your ignition




This.

Could be the key ignition in your steering column. My other guess is a loose battery cable. My battery sometimes has this issue (stupid side posts).


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25911224 - 04/02/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:(stupid side posts).



Lol, ill be saying this my whole life. So dumb. Everything sounds great now that we have a brand new starter


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Re: Cutlass cierra troubleshooting. Won't crank, starter is good. New battery [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25914952 - 04/04/19 06:12 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

:lol: Nice.

Those stupid side posts, why battery manufactures why! :wtfsonic:


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