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Apc123
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Mushroom pre pinning but no contam?
#25885775 - 03/20/19 01:26 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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Okay so I have never had this happen before. Well not quite like this. My sweater box started knotting up and now has a full sheet of pins all over it BEFORE it finished colonizing! I have never seen this happen UNLESS there was a contam. I know that if it starts to fruit early normally it means its try to beat out something else that is also present. So when I saw it knotting up then start to pin I was waiting for it to turn green or something somewhere. Almost a week later and still nothing. It just looks like a beautiful tub...
It looks like it would with a normal uncolonized casing but I only spawn to coir with a thin layer of coir on top. This is 3 myco qts of PE6 in a sweater box (forgive me I never measure out my coir) The coir was a little on the dry side so when I saw a bunch of pins I gave the top a good misting. You can kind of see the areas where the mycelium started to pop thru. I believe its mostly (maybe) colonized under the top but idk I can't really tell. This was spawned and put into fruiting conditions on 3/6/19
My question is - has anyone ever ran across an early fruiting strain? I'm going to put one of these pins on agar and work with it to see what I experience in the future with it.
Thanks for any input I appriciate it! Mushlove
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Edited by Apc123 (03/20/19 01:33 PM)
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25885855 - 03/20/19 01:57 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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9 to 1 there is a problem, you just have to wait for it. There is a chance your substrate separated into sections and you have a colonized layer.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25885859 - 03/20/19 01:59 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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It looks like there are spots of trich mold before the green spores in a few spots but it could be just the pic but they usually are skinny stringy things yours look like normal fruits...
I mean worst case is take it and put it in an area where you dont normally do myco work and let it finish out ...but is that Ms? Or a clone
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Boogieman47]
#25885875 - 03/20/19 02:07 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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Mabye bacteria?
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Boogieman47]
#25885881 - 03/20/19 02:07 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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Can you take a pic with the lid open and the camera inside the tub? Hard to see through plastic. The 2nd pic certainly shows pins, just need to see if they are aborted or not lol. Certainly odd if this is true.. Was a top layer used at all?
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25885897 - 03/20/19 02:20 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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Ya man, there are trich spots everywhere!!! Look at the whitish green blobs/spots. That's contaminated bro...
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Mr. Funguy]
#25886017 - 03/20/19 03:23 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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No the spots that look like contams is just from my camera. I have a shitty camra on my phone. What u think is contam spots was actually where the mycelium started to pop thru the top layer. I know in the pic is does look off color but its not. I watched it for a week before the pins started. They got matted down when I did that heavy misting on the top layer. Which is why it looks funny in the pic.
The first picture there is with the lid open and not thru anything. Once again shitty camra sorry.
Yes thin top layer of coir only and yes this is MS cleaned on agar and transferred to grains. The pins aren't aborted they are growing more everyday.
Like I said I was expecting it to go south but is hasn't yet. I'm not saying that it won't but it looks like I might get a full first flush anyways... I don't have hope for a second flush bc like u said 9 to 1 there's a problem. I would agree with that but every morning for a week straight I expected to wake up to mold but since nothings changed I figured id make a post about it.
Its probably just taking its sweet time in a few days I will probably have a pic of mold but I just wanted to hear people thought or experiences...
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Edited by Apc123 (03/20/19 03:34 PM)
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25886870 - 03/20/19 10:10 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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Hey this happens when giving fresh air to a colonizing sub. It fruits when it wants to. It likely grew into where it is comfortable and used the top layer as a casing and found ideal microclimate. This is even more likely if you only loosely set the top layer on without any compaction at all. Bod has some documented tubs like this, i think. Fruiting conditions from spawning = "ill grow when i feel like it dammit!" -mushrooms
Could also be testament to the prolificity of those genetics. What are your timeframes on this? If u remember...
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Noisecontrol]
#25886894 - 03/20/19 10:24 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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@ Niosecontrol - Thanks for the info friend! But wouldn't that mean that shoeboxes would do this a lot more often because they always have some fresh air coming thru? I always fruit at spawning now and the top layer was "fluffy" bc it was dry. Interesting non the less! I hope this is the case in my tub but most likely just a contam that hasn't popped its head up yet, with my luck hopefully ill at least get something out of it and it won't be a complete waste. Plus a learning experience so I can't complain either way.
I have had really really good luck with this PE6! Its the most prolific MS Ive ever worked with. I got full flushes right off the bat from MS on agar to grains. See the middle picture in my signature, that was taken AFTER I picked 150g wet for some tea. I don't even care to clone it like I normally do because I can't see it getting much better then it already is. I'm not quite sure of the time period tho bc I have been working with it for a few months now. Whenever I want to make more up I take my best looking plates and put them to grain. Then I G2G the best looking jars from those masters.
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Edited by Apc123 (03/20/19 10:35 PM)
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25886933 - 03/20/19 10:51 PM (5 years, 10 days ago) |
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You go girl.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25887032 - 03/21/19 12:21 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
Mad Season said: Can you take a pic with the lid open and the camera inside the tub? Hard to see through plastic. The 2nd pic certainly shows pins, just need to see if they are aborted or not lol. Certainly odd if this is true.. Was a top layer used at all?
take a pic without dat lid. it'll give us a better idea. very blurry with the lid on.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Ziran]
#25887146 - 03/21/19 02:23 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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The first picture is without the lid on! I have already answered this, I just have a crappy camra. Ill try to take some better ones tomorrow I guess but it probably won't be much better...
Edit:
Edited by Apc123 (03/21/19 02:29 AM)
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25887158 - 03/21/19 02:52 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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Could be in there somewhere but I definitely don't see the mold other people seem to see. Didn't in the first picture either
I don't think I've ever had a sub pin super early that didn't end up fucked after the 1st flush (or part way through)
Best just to keep an eye on things i wouldn't toss it yet though
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25887524 - 03/21/19 09:10 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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We shall see what it looks like when the flush is finished. Yeah I didn't see no mold the first time, and I still don't. Also btw, that is a much better pic so idk wtf you're on op.. Just needed a closer pic that isn't through plastic. The first one is too far upwards to actually see things in detail.
Also can we get an actual date of when this tub was spawned?
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25887652 - 03/21/19 10:03 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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I wrote the date at the top. It was spawned and put into fruiting conditions on 3/6. Which is super fast ime. Normally my sweater boxes take 2+ weeks to colonize then another week to knot and pin good.
As stated. Its hard to get a good pic on my phone. They will all look clear at first until I actually go back and zoom in to make sure it focused right. Its a pain in the ass.
Thanks for ur help everyone I really appriciate it!! I like to learn and hear other ppls input! I don't expect more then one flush outta this but who knows maybe Im the exception to the rule (probably not) ill keep y'all updated tho. No mold yet...
-------------------- The thing about deceit is, you don't know your being deceived... The only thing I am sure about is that I know nothing - socrates Believe nothing you hear and half of what u see.
Edited by Apc123 (03/21/19 10:09 AM)
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25887661 - 03/21/19 10:07 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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Meh it's the 21 now. Been like 15 days, it started pinning a week ago? Sounds about right to me. Fastest I've seen things colonize and pin is 5 days I believe. Pans is 3 days.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25887704 - 03/21/19 10:22 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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5 days! Pics or its didn't happen!
That's insane! Ive had a shoebox colonize in 3 days before but it still didn't pin till a week or so later. I hear people say times way faster then mine a lot tho like pins in 2 weeks but that is never my experience...
I thought I noticed knots about a week ago yes. I wasn't happy at all when I saw them. So I pushed it off as just being something like areal mycelium pushing thru the sub and up agents the plastic looking like knots... but nope. It was knots bc here a week later I have a full set of pins.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25887727 - 03/21/19 10:28 AM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah it was definitely 5 days. Colonized in 3 days, and knotting on day 5. Pans is more crazy, fuckin 3 days. Took 2 days to colonize and pins were up the next day.
I know of people on here aim for pins within 1 week, when they're working with a culture they know is a fast fruiter. PE is usally more like 10 days.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Mad Season]
#25887971 - 03/21/19 12:18 PM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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That's crazy I wish I had a culture like that!
Well now there are two... I spawned a second sweater box the same way as the first, 4 days later (on 3/10/19) It just started pinning and doing the exact same thing... I guess I'm not too surprised tho bc I'm pretty sure they are from the same g2g jar. I think? My coir was Deffinatly on the dry side so maybe it did colonize super fast and thin and just didn't do the top? Idk this whole thing is weird.
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Re: Mushroom pre pinning but no contam? [Re: Apc123]
#25887979 - 03/21/19 12:21 PM (5 years, 9 days ago) |
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Fastest harvest I had was 12 days with some golden teachers
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