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Son Ai
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SEQ pan cyan ID
#25880568 - 03/17/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey SEQ pickers.
So Ive picked cubes since i was a kid and thats all good and fine. But i was never shown how to ID pan cyans.
Anyway, where I pick my cubes there are always bucket loads of what look like a pan species growing out of dung. Dunno if they are cyans tho. I just ignore them tho cos the cubes are plentiful. But late in the season when the cubes peter out, these other mushies are still fruiting strong. Anyway, ive wondered many times if i am picking past the meanies, and missing out. Photos attached. Location is quintessential SEQ creek lined cube pasture.
Any info or advice appreciated
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Doc9151
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Re: SEQ pan cyan ID [Re: Son Ai]
#25880593 - 03/17/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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1st row are panaeolus antillarum
2nd row looks like something in the panaeolus cyanescens group, look at the stems and compare the two, top one is thick and will turn a brownish reddish color where rubbed, the bottom one has a thinner stipe that is pruinose and should bruise bluish to bluish black.
The cap on your top specimen should have a shine to it, that's another indicator of panaeolus antillarum, cyanescens doesn't have a shine.
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Son Ai
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Re: SEQ pan cyan ID [Re: Doc9151]
#25884122 - 03/19/19 05:48 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for that Doc,
BTW, since the differences between the pans are pretty subtle, whats the risk of a botched ID? Are there poisonous pans? Should i be extra rigorous in my ID?
This is new territory for me ... and it seems harder than picking cubes ... which would take an absolute donkey to mess up
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: SEQ pan cyan ID [Re: Son Ai]
#25884166 - 03/19/19 06:14 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Panaeolus antillarim and Panaeolus cyanescens. The P. antillarum is edible and the P. cyanescens is hallucinogenic. If you botch the ID, you'll get a little less hungry.
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Duggstar



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If you were to put a gun to my head and ask me to identify them, I'd say the first 3 are Panaeolus antillarum (but I'm not sure), and the last 3 were Panaeolus cyanescens group. The fourth one, I'm not sure if it came from the first group or the last group.
The main difference would be that Panaeolus cyanescens group would bruise blue, whereas Panaeolus antillarum wouldn't. Also, you can tell by the stipe - Panaeolus antillarum would be more powdery, whereas Panaeolus cyanescens group would have little white flecks, typically on a brownish background. Panaeolus antillarum also tends to have a shinier cap.
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