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coir layer vs verm layer vs no layer
    #25881184 - 03/17/19 11:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I just recently spawned 12 straight coir shoe boxes and like the dumb ass I am, I only saved enough coir for a top layer on 4 of the boxes. I thought I would take advantage of my mistake and test out all 3 methods and see what works best for me. They are all spawned about 12 hours apart. Ill update with pics in a few days when they are fully colonized.

4 with no top layer
4 with a coir top layer
4 with a verm top layer

I'm a little worried about the exposed grains but I'll take one for the team..
Whats your experience with top layers?

Edited by staytrippy420 (03/22/19 10:10 PM)

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25881202 - 03/18/19 12:25 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Iv had equality good results with exposed grains and a pseudo casing layer. Most of my shoeboxes  I leave exposed grains. You should be fine:thumbup:


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: SFS96] * 1
    #25881382 - 03/18/19 05:31 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I pseudo case every time, but not because it is necessary.  The first two monos I did, I went exposed grain and grew mushrooms.  I just like the moisture control the pseudo casing provides.


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: Ep1429] * 1
    #25881400 - 03/18/19 06:06 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I go for psuedocasing/top layer.

Ambient RH is low on my side of the world right now, making it really difficult to keep surfaces moist while allowing sufficient FAE. Even in a FC, I have a few mini tubs that dry out if I don't mist every few hours.

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: teladi] * 1
    #25881446 - 03/18/19 07:13 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

So far I like top layer and starting FAE as mycelium starts to break through so "pseudocase" for me as well. Seems more natural and doesnt leave anything too exposed for my anxiety to handle.

Did no casing once and it didnt go too well. Took way too long to fruit, low-ish yield, and contaminated after that. Albeit in hindsight I may have made a few mistakes there.

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: kayo]
    #25881597 - 03/18/19 09:36 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I've been reading bad things about straight verm casings... I haven't seen one post supporting it.
I haven't added it yet, I might go grab some more coir and do a verm/coir top layer instead of just verm.


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25881741 - 03/18/19 11:40 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I case at spawn with jiffy mix seed starter ... in my experience the casing helps with surface conditions alot ... but some people live in  different climates and can dial better .. I for one like the casing for additional help with my surface


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: Boogieman47] * 1
    #25882514 - 03/18/19 06:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Just mix coir and spawn, level it out and leave it the frig alone. IMO.


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25882539 - 03/18/19 07:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I feel like we were just talking about this haha. I’m experimenting with straight verm casings right now and it’s just not worth it. Super hard to gauge how wet it actually is. Stick with CV

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: ThiccBoy]
    #25882562 - 03/18/19 07:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Lol ya deja vu eh.. I found your post after I made this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
I will add a late C/V case when its fully colonized, just to keep the experiment interesting.


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420] * 2
    #25883137 - 03/19/19 07:17 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

staytrippy420 said:
Lol ya deja vu eh.. I found your post after I made this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
I will add a late C/V case when its fully colonized, just to keep the experiment interesting.



But wouldn’t the experiment be more interesting if you let it play out the way you currently have it structured? I am personally interested in your experiments conclusion.

You have an opportunity to gain actual first hand experience of what type of top layer works for your unique environment. In the big picture wouldn’t keeping the parameters of your initial experiment be more beneficial then arbitrarily changing them before coming to a conclusion?

If you allow things to play out you’ll have one part of this complicated hobby locked down. Just my two cents.
Good luck with your grow either way!


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: Leon Sabanna]
    #25883619 - 03/19/19 01:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah... your right. I'll take one for the team and for the greater good of shroomery lol

The whole purpose was too see the difference between the 3 methods. I will add the verm, and post pics, when they are fully colonized.


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25886649 - 03/20/19 08:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Heres a pic from 2 days ago, too lazy to pull the boxes out and take individual pics, but I will when they are 100% :grin:



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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25889301 - 03/21/19 11:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Looks good man, keep up the work:thumbup:

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: ThiccBoy] * 1
    #25891006 - 03/22/19 09:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man. Here is what they look like now, they are pretty much fully colonized.
I was hoping the harvests would be spread out over a few days but its not looking good for the dehydrator lol

coir lop layer added at spawn


verm top layer added today


no top layer


I will add pics in this format as the boxes progress to compare methods.
imo the no top layer are doing the best but they are also 12-24 hours ahead of the others.

Edited by staytrippy420 (03/22/19 10:13 PM)

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25891120 - 03/22/19 10:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #25891186 - 03/22/19 11:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25894929 - 03/24/19 10:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Keep me updated.  I wanna see how the verm layer works out for you.

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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: ThiccBoy] * 1
    #25895023 - 03/24/19 11:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

What is in those pots? Is that just extra coir or something? or shrooms?


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Re: top layer vs casing layer vs no layer [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #25895056 - 03/24/19 11:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I second that, are you doing grows in those pots?


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