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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: lowbrow]
#25967062 - 05/01/19 09:35 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Another shooting just occurred: https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/uncc-shooting-multiple-dead-injured-shooting-university-north-carolina-charlotte-today-2019-04-30/
But there is good news! Only 2 people died (RIP). Typically dozens of people die in these types of public shootings. It would seem that the college students of this University were "ready" to escape this situation. This is good news, gunshot avoidance is key to saving lives. Public places need more active shooter drills to help train people to save themselves.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#25979456 - 05/08/19 08:49 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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And yet another school shooting in Colorado, near Columbine: https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2019/may/08/latest-students-used-2-handguns-colorado-shooting/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/us/colorado-shooting-victims.html
The good news is only one kid died (RIP). This is signifigant as school shootings typically end up with a dozen or more deaths which could have been prevented if certain policies and procedures were in place beforehand.
In the news story, its mentioned that a private security officer heard the shooting then quickly notified the police which ended the shooting quickly. What a great thing that was!
Should private security be mandatory for schools as it appears to be effective in preventing deaths during a shooting? Would America vote for such a policy? Would the addition of a Body Armor Case located in the school prevent injuries or is it too impractical for these random shootings?
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26123478 - 08/06/19 12:30 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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With the recent 3 mass shootings this last week, occurring 49 hours between each incident, I feel like my "politically-influenced invention" sounds like a good idea.
What do you guys think?
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26123502 - 08/06/19 01:25 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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What if the shooter grabs the armor? Seriously, I do something similar. I have a 3A vest in my office and a 4 trauma plate in my bag nowadays. I wear the vest for the big lectures, which thankfully I rarely teach, I'm mostly doing higher level work with small classes nowadays. Lab, I'm not worried, I can deal with fire better than most and I can make huge fireballs better than most.
Then there's the issue of vest/person, because two people fighting over a vest make it 100% less effective.
Honestly, just lying down and hoping you survive is a better move. Grab a nearby body and hide under it. Bit like Mai Lai. I know if I was a shooter I'd secure the armor dispenser first (then again I'd use my knowledge and rig the whole building, if not the city block, to explode on a deadman switch at that point, shooting really isn't the most effective method of mass murder, it's just that most people that make bombs become fine pink mists in the process). You could try shooting back, but that's more than likely just gonna mean multiple shooters found and "neutralized" by police, just like that one (black) security guard that responded to a shooter and got his head blown off by the law for his trouble.
There isn't really a solution. At least, not a viable solution, given US politics. Thoughts and prayers. Pray your ass don't get hit, and think about the medical bills if it does as motivation to either not get hit or die immediately.
EDIT: Also, in relation to OP partly, but it's pretty easy to buy a vest with a trauma plate that's rated to stop rifle rounds, I got mine for under 500$. Not at all illegal in the US, at least. I don't really get why the shooters we keep hearing about seem to never buy armor, that seems to be the second thing on the list right after the AK (AR-15 is too unreliable, see Florida, dude's gun jammed, so he likely didn't kill as many as he could have, same with the movie theater shooting). Guess they're not really all that bright. Then again, they do wear MAGA hats, so...
EDIT2: I guess a gun is cheaper than a vest, looking up local prices, I can get an AR15, a couple mags, and a few thousand bullets for 500$.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Kryptos]
#26123562 - 08/06/19 02:35 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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That definitely could happen. But it would also stall what the shooter is doing as he would have to break the glass then grab the vest, with his back turned toward people who could jump him. It would make him vulnerable.
I mean, yeah everyone being armed would be nice except how many people want to carry a firearm when they go to the nightclub or the store?
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26123590 - 08/06/19 03:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: with his back turned toward people who could jump him.
Oh, so these would be set up in alcoves? In other words, people trying to grab armor would have to bunch up, and approach a dispenser in small numbers at a time?
Sounds like a great place to shoot, personally. It'd be like camping a spawn in Halo. Bit like that Garlic festival shooting in Cali. Dude used what, a ten round SKS, and got three kills and 12 injuries in a single mag dump? I mean, that's one hell of an advertisement for the SKS. 150% casualties per bullet. US military currently averages somewhere around 250,000 bullets per Iraqi. They should probably start buying up SKS rifles.
Of course, shooters tend not to be the smartest people around. If they had more than two brain cells to rub together, they'd use bombs, which are way more effective, and also way harder to use, since they're super illegal and damn near impossible to acquire and require some skill to make.
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LogicaL Chaos said: I mean, yeah everyone being armed would be nice except how many people want to carry a firearm when they go to the nightclub or the store?
You could just have a "break glass for gun" station, except then a shooter doesn't even need to stop by walmart (Well, unless they're doing the El Paso, or the Mississippi) first.
Also, it takes time to put a vest on. Last three shooters were all taken out in less time than it takes to put on a vest, with plenty of kills each. And then what about sizing? Vests need a proper size and a proper fit to be effective. Guns don't. I can kill you with a gun, my grandpa could kill you with a gun, a three year old could kill you with a gun, hell, a couple people a year (on average) in the US get shot by their own DOGS.
Kinda seems like there might be an obvious solution to this problem, but, ya know...can't quite figure it out. Simply can't be done.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26123652 - 08/06/19 05:17 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your idea still sounds like something an 11 year old would come up with for a rushed school paper.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Near Dylan]
#26123675 - 08/06/19 05:56 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones so shootings are never going to go away. Violence is just part of human nature. Ever look up chimps going to war on YouTube? They literally ripped each other apart for the fun of it. Sometimes they even eat the young. We still have that killer instinct inside of us. If they didnt have guns they would use explosives or other objects to kill. Look at what happened in the UK. They took the guns and violence went up! So many people are getting stabbed to death that they want to ban knifes! It's not the gun or knife it's us that's the problem! It's impossible to stop this from happening so you might as well man up and buy a gun. The 2nd amendment isn't going away in your lifetime so why even talk about this anyways? This isn't like new Zealand. If the government tried to take are guns countless police officers would die and they know that. It just isn't going to happen. How many times are you guy's going to talk about gun control? Why argue about something you can't change? It's just a way to divide members on this site. Its honestly kind of childish. In 40 years A.I is going to take over and guy's are worried about this shit .
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26123822 - 08/06/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is not in human nature to just unload death onto a crowd of innocent men, women, and children. That's ridiculous. America clearly has a very big problem with shootings and that problem is very clearly not "human nature", or else all the other places that have high proportions of guns would experience shootings. But they are few and far between abroad, whereas they are so frequent here that it is barely even headline news unless it breaks records, which seems to happen constantly also.
Blaming everything on guns is naive. Blaming everything on "human nature" is more naive.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26123827 - 08/06/19 08:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think people would flock to the armor, fight over it, and create a soft target.
The better option is to turn around and pop the shooter with your pistol.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: XUL]
#26123828 - 08/06/19 08:48 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's been 4 pages of people making that same point, XUL.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Near Dylan] 1
#26123864 - 08/06/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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pepper spray sprinkler system
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: ballsalsa]
#26123880 - 08/06/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's something genius about that lol
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Near Dylan] 1
#26123884 - 08/06/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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OC warning, suckas!
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Near Dylan]
#26123890 - 08/06/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm slow.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: XUL]
#26124088 - 08/06/19 12:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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XUL said: The better option is to turn around and pop the shooter with your pistol.
The problem is that almost all of the recent shooters had this happen to them, but still managed to kill and injure as many as they did. Most died within 1 minute of opening fire, but they still managed to kill 30+ people and injure 50+. I mean, I'm all for the good guy with a gun, but this makes it seem like even a good guy with a gun situation would still result in 30+ deaths 50+ injuries 
Body armor is not going to work at all. One of the shooters was wearing it, and it didn't help him at all.
The only thing I can realistically think of is building lots of thick stone walls everywhere so that if you move a bit away from where the shooter is, there's a bunch of stone walls between you and him. You would want regular openings in these walls to allow easy movement, and it might still create a soft target around common points of exit, but that's all I can think of.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: nooneman]
#26124138 - 08/06/19 12:52 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I built a bunch brick walls in random places on a school in Modesto Ca a few years ago . That’s what they were for , for kids to hide behind . That idea is about 10 years old , maybe more . It’s a very expensive way to give kids hope .
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Psilynut2]
#26124155 - 08/06/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean, the bottom line is that guns/bombs/whatever are no deadlier now than they were 5/10/20 years ago(don't nitpick this, it's generally true). Crowds are no more vulnerable. There isn't much you can do if you happen to be standing in a crowd when someone attacks with a ranged weapon. If they fire a trebuchet at a crowd, its gonna take out several people in the first second. Its a fucked deal, but i don't know that there's a simple solution unless we want to go full minority report and start arresting people in advance for shootings that they are likely to commit.
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: ballsalsa]
#26124190 - 08/06/19 01:22 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont really understand the trebuchet point lol. I dont see how pointing out that weapons have an easy time killing crowds of people says anything. Can't exactly stroll into a mall and SURPRISE BITCH pull a fuckin trebuchet out your trench coat and a boulder from your back pocket
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Re: Public places should have a "Break During Shootings" Body Armor Case [Re: Near Dylan] 1
#26124192 - 08/06/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can erect and fire a trebuchet from the park across the street. probably wouldn't even get hassled while you were doing it.
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