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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Not when it happens to you. If you get a TDAP shot in your shoulder and then can't lift your arm the next day it's pretty easy to link the two events together. When you file with the VICP you have to give the date of your vaccine and prove that the problem wasn't an existing problem. When you see the VICP paying millions of dollars it becomes even easier to like the vaccines with medical problems.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: yeah] * 3
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You need to be a special kind of stupid not to appreciate vaccines that most of the world would kill for.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Who said they don't appreciate them? I'm only saying we should be realistic and factual in our representation. I don't think we're at a point where they need to be mandatory either. The only outbreaks of anything have occured in large concentrations of completely unvaccinated people in the US - i.e. recent immigrants/visitors from 3rd world countries ... or amish :lol: And even then - its almost only ever measles and no one dies


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: twighead]
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Suddenly being unable to lift your arm would be something. You'd have to make me believe its true first. People BS so hard they can BS themselves into psychosomatic issues. I've been surrounded by manipulative people my whole life, so I'm very sceptical. I've met a fat wanna be witch bitch that say they have spirits living inside her. They should maybe give your arm a slice with a scalpel and see if it reacts, or see if it is an issue with how it was injected as opposed to the vaccine.

If someone just told me that story I'd never believe them at face value


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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They have a name for the shoulder injury because it happens that often. It is called SIRVA or Shoulder Injury Resulting from Vaccine Administration. I got lucky with SIRVA, not lucky, but it could have been something way worse. It is bad, but vaccines do much worse things to a small group of people.

When it happened to me they didn't even tell me it was a possibility so it would have been quite the coincidence that I dreamt up an injury that already had a name. I don't think anybody could dream up these injuries that last over 6 months.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Do they know what aspect of the vaccination causes it? I'm not desputing that it does, just curious on the pathology. I was always ishy about the methyl mercury they added.

They should have to be overt with risk. Its similar to how they don't properly warn transexuals and women on the pill of estrogen causing cancer


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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I agree, because all they told me was that my arm might be sore for a day. If they told me I could lose mobility in my shoulder and might need surgery than I would have been less mad about it and I might have even looked into the batch they gave me. I feel like they scammed me.

Part of it was because they think the needle entered my bursa and/or then I had a bad reaction to the vaccine which caused swelling and tore my rotator cuff. They said this type of SIRVA has only happened to 1 or 2 other people and my doctor and the CDC did a case study on it. I think it has something to do with my over-active immune system. I ended up with bone spurs, a torn rotator cuff, bursitis, and something else. Now I have pain and limited mobility in that shoulder.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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That's pretty bad. Overactive immune systems are complicit in a lot of injuries. They still deserve liability. I really dislike dishonesty like that.


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: yeah]
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This 1~ page post is worth a read. I'd like to hear a pro vax rebuttal to any of the points made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/aw1dqm/assumptions_i_had_when_i_was_a_provaxxer/?st=JTDJ8X5M&sh=d5b333b8


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: yeah]
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yeah said:
This 1~ page post is worth a read. I'd like to hear a pro vax rebuttal to any of the points made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/aw1dqm/assumptions_i_had_when_i_was_a_provaxxer/?st=JTDJ8X5M&sh=d5b333b8


False article and that person should stop assuming because you know what happens... Please don't get your scientific information from reddit and Joe Rogan guys.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Cool but respond to something he said


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: yeah]
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#1-4. Shouldn't assume stuff like this. Just because they assumed the wrong thing doesn't mean that anything sinister is going on.

#5. The medical community knows about vaccine injuries, but not about everyone and they make mistakes too. Never assume your doctor is right when it comes to serious stuff, get a 2nd opinion. I've been an electrician for 20 years and I learn new stuff almost everyday. I'm sure it's the same with medicine.

#6. Doctors don't do research. They're running a business and trying to help as many people as possible. They don't have time to research everything, there are people that do research, but those doctors don't have patients.

#7. Of course doctors aren't just handing out $20,000 - $200,000 per injury. It is much more strict than that. You have to be injured for 6 months or longer or have surgery. It needs to be done by the VICP.

#8. Yeah, this is correct and it sucks, but people are lazy or overworked.

#9. Your doctor follows up on the injuries, not the CDC. If I remember correctly when I reported mine I had to get my doctors to sign it and send it in.

#10. Not sure about this one. It sounds at least partially right. I think you can go around the VICP and sue the vaccine maker in certain cases, but I don't know. This is a question for a VICP lawyer. I could probably contact my old VICP lawyer and ask him.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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110 000 people died from measles in 2017 and 2 out of every 1000 cases end in death
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles

Yet one in million vaccine shots has serious side effects.

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index4.html

I know ant vaxers are halfwit retards, but you can count right? Or is the World Heath Organization who is lying? Big conspiracy right?

I think non vaccinated children should at minimum be removed from public schools, and probably taken away by CPS for child abuse. If there is an outbreak I think extreme measures like some sort of leper island are in order. Or gas them. It never fails to amaze me how many anti vaxers are out there. You saw a youtube video and decided some other retard was giving better advice than your doctor.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: viraldrome]
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Wouldn't the unvaccinated kids be weeded out by, you know, death, well their peers cheer on in the sadistic way kids do?


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: viraldrome]
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viraldrome said:
110 000 people died from measles in 2017 and 2 out of every 1000 cases end in death
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles

Yet one in million vaccine shots has serious side effects.

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index4.html

I know ant vaxers are halfwit retards, but you can count right? Or is the World Heath Organization who is lying? Big conspiracy right?

I think non vaccinated children should at minimum be removed from public schools, and probably taken away by CPS for child abuse. If there is an outbreak I think extreme measures like some sort of leper island are in order. Or gas them. It never fails to amaze me how many anti vaxers are out there. You saw a youtube video and decided some other retard was giving better advice than your doctor.


God we haven't gone over all of this yet :lolsy:

Why don't you just read the thread


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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I'm pro vaccine. I understand people distrust the government and big pharma and that's where the anti Vax people come from. The whole "I dont understand the chemicals so I won't take it" argument is really stupid. Most people don't understand electricity yet they use it. People don't understand Tylenol yet they use it. They use it out of simple observations like seeing that most people who switch on a light switch do not get electrocuted. Then some people may come out and say "but I got shocked once. Electricity is bad" and then act like it's a big conspiracy and everyone is in on it sweeping the evidence under a rug. Sure, but you still enjoy living in a society with electricity, just like you enjoy living in a world without polio. I really see this whole thing as evidence that people don't know where to get their information from to build their world view.

Just look at historical photos of people with polio or other such diseases and think about why we don't see that today. Open a history book.


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: yeah]
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yeah said:
This 1~ page post is worth a read. I'd like to hear a pro vax rebuttal to any of the points made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/aw1dqm/assumptions_i_had_when_i_was_a_provaxxer/?st=JTDJ8X5M&sh=d5b333b8


So he assumed vaccines were safer than they really are. He assumed the medical community knew more about the rare injuries from vaccines. So what? Did vaccines eradicate deadly and highly contagious diseases that historically killed millions? Yes they did. Are millions dying from the vaccine? No. It's a risk / reward scenario.

There should absolutely be more research into vaccine injuries and if we even have a few then they should find a way to eliminate that. They probably aren't looking into that because the vaccines are already effective and make them money. I agree that part is fucked up.


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: searching]
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It's amazing how well their vaccination switcheroo works. Whenever a government employee goes to the clinic they get a saline injection instead. But they vaccinate kids. Of course! they know who's going to eventually grow up to be a government employee.

To the antivax crowd what is the theoretical advantage of the poisoning or what's the goal? Population control? How's it controlling the population? Is it selective? Who's behind it? The new world order?


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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
It's amazing how well their vaccination switcheroo works. Whenever a government employee goes to the clinic they get a saline injection instead. But they vaccinate kids. Of course! they know who's going to eventually grow up to be a government employee.

To the antivax crowd what is the theoretical advantage of the poisoning or what's the goal? Population control? How's it controlling the population? Is it selective? Who's behind it? The new world order?


No.

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Re: Do you have a stance on vaccines? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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i never had a flue shot in my life but have had all the other vacccines

the flue shot's are different now , but before i was born someone in my family had a flue shot and not long after she needed a blood transfusion from it

half of her mouth doesn't move now either , not sure what she caught from it

lucky that i never get sick but i shouldn't speak to soon on that


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Edited by watermelon mon (03/17/19 11:22 PM)

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