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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25875556 - 03/15/19 12:31 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

TC stands for Trusted Cultivator. A rocker some members get after they've proven they're reliable and contribute around here(among other things).

There's non on this thread but here's a link to a Comment By Bodhisatta. Under his avatar you should notice the "TC" rocker.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25869798#25869798


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonized. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25876149 - 03/15/19 05:15 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I do gtg with 1/2 pint jars that have no holes in the lid. 
I have a dry vermiculite layer on top.
I have the lid on upside down so the rubber ring that makes the seal isn't in contact with the glass part of the jar. 
I pack the vermiculite so i have to force the lid down but I don't barely screw the ring down, just enough to keep it on.
I never flip my jars and they fully colonize.
I like the wide mouth 1/2 pint jars because they colonize quicker.  With what I do they colonize from the top surface down, and the wide mouth there is less vertical distance.
I also keep them in a box with a temp controller so they stay closer to 80 degrees all the time.  My house is always cold.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonized. Should I Birth? [Re: RichardRahl]
    #25876184 - 03/15/19 05:32 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

:confused: g2g with brf cakes?


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonized. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25876271 - 03/15/19 06:07 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Uh oh...


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25876322 - 03/15/19 06:28 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

I guess I was hallucinating ๐Ÿ™„. It doesn't matter what you doubt or think.  You and these trusted cultivators don't know everything. I'm not the only person on here thats flipped a jar or 2.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25876328 - 03/15/19 06:30 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Hopefully once I hit 3000 posts I'll be as intelligent as you are ๐Ÿคจ.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Shenmue]
    #25876335 - 03/15/19 06:32 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Damn...sensitive


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Timboslice]
    #25876353 - 03/15/19 06:39 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

You can flip a jar and it work out, I didn't say it guarantees failure. But this idea that it helps fix a CO2 problem is incorrect. There are no advantages to flipping, only possible downsides like getting the filter wet and causing failure.

I don't understand the attitude. I learned alot by being corrected when I stated an outdated idea.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25876780 - 03/15/19 10:17 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Peoples results prove that you're wrong. A lot of people dont even use a filter with the PF tek genius! That's one of the reasons they use a dry vermiculite layer! Even if they did use a filter how would dry vermiculite get a filter wet ๐Ÿ˜‚? I'm sensitive because I hate how people automatically think they know more than you just because they talk on the shroomery all the time. For the most part mushroom cultivation is nothing more than the preparation of grains and substrate, some misting and fanning. It's not rocket science! 99% of you didn't come up with any of this stuff! You just copy what smart people came up with. Get over yourself already. Why should you automatically listen to someone with trusted cultivator under their name? There's tons of people on here that can do strain isolation and grow exotic mushrooms. How the f--k do these trusted cultivators know more than them? I know people with titles like that on the dmt nexus that don't know sh-t.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Shenmue]
    #25876791 - 03/15/19 10:22 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Damn I must be in a bad mood today ๐Ÿ˜‚. Sorry..


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Shenmue]
    #25876802 - 03/15/19 10:27 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Flipping a jar literally doesn't do anything. Stop being a dick.

And the "filter" he was talking about is the dry verm. That's ur filter, and u don't want it to get wet because it will defeat the purpose. Water flows downward with gravity.

And if u know what ur doing, then u wouldn't be fanning anything.

And we didn't come up with this shit, but most of us have tried enough things to know what works and what doesn't.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: nube424]
    #25877539 - 03/16/19 11:30 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

:whathesaid:

I specifically said don't use additional filters if you have a dry verm layer, because the dry verm is your filter.

Things get better over time, you're just repeating old outdated ideas that've been proven incorrect. That's the advantage of a place like this that calls bullshit. Hard for ideas like fanning and flipping to continue getting traction.

/e yes there's plenty of people here with great grows and isolates and all that good stuff(TC's included making great things like APE-Workman and RustyWhyte-PastyWhyte) But they aren't getting those awesome results by following the old stuff you're stating.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25877823 - 03/16/19 02:02 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

out of interest you say flipping doesnt solve any CO2 problems yet before i even started in this hobby i knew that CO2 is heavier than air so wouldnt it be true that the CO2 in the jar would in fact sink out the holes on the lid if turned upside down or is it more that the myc doesnt actually create enough CO2 to asphyxiate itself?


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25877839 - 03/16/19 02:15 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

It's because as long as there is some air exchange then the co2 will mix with the surrounding air as it's created. There's no buildup. If co2 actually sank like that, we'd all be choking in a thick layer of co2. You'd need to be in something airtight to asphyxiate.

Same reason fanning is bullshit, there's no build up to fan out in the first place.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25877860 - 03/16/19 02:29 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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out of interest you say flipping doesnt solve any CO2 problems yet before i even started in this hobby i knew that CO2 is heavier than air so wouldnt it be true that the CO2 in the jar would in fact sink out the holes on the lid if turned upside down or is it more that the myc doesnt actually create enough CO2 to asphyxiate itself?



It's alot more likely, that that spot u have is either bacterial, too wet, or packed too tightly. If co2 sank like that, EVERYONE would have the same issue in their jars. Grain jars and pf cakes. It's never a co2 issue unless u have ur jars completely sealed air tight like LT Said


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25877900 - 03/16/19 03:00 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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If co2 actually sank like that, we'd all be choking in a thick layer of co2. You'd need to be in something airtight to asphyxiate.




In natural environment wind caused by heat fluctuations does churn up the air and mix CO2 into the other gasses. but in a container because the air is still the heavier and lighter gasses will separate over a number of days, this is part of fluid dynamics. a few holes in a lid wouldnt solve this unless there was a heat source under the jar turning on and off (the expanding air creates a pumping effect but we both know this is not ideal).

I will openly admit that i am a noob to cultivating mushrooms but im not in physics.

(not having a dig here most of your information you have given me has been very helpful and i thank you for it. although somethings i must question as it goes against my own experiences and knowledge on subjects that overlap with cultivation.)


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25877909 - 03/16/19 03:03 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Maybe there is a factor at play here helping the air flow in and out the jar that we do not know about. or if anyone does i would love to know


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25877917 - 03/16/19 03:09 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Dissipation. Not sure if that's spelt right. Or maybe it's diffusion? Either way, if co2 was that big of an issue we would all have problems. It's either too wet, bacterial or packed to tight. Or a combination of those. Most likely too wet and bacterial. Bacteria thrives in water.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25877930 - 03/16/19 03:13 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Here's a pretty comprehensive breakdown, I can only confidently tell you the practical application as it applies to growing. This may satisfy you better.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25667983


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: nube424]
    #25877931 - 03/16/19 03:13 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

in an earlier post i mentioned that maybe myc doesnt create enough co2 in the time its in the jar to cause a problem. do you mean evaporation of water may help flow?


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