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Whitelighter
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Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers.
#25876679 - 03/15/19 07:21 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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So it's well documented that oyster mushrooms over time create vast health problems and allergies in most people.
But what about cubensis or any of the other psychoactive mushrooms?
What about other species other than oyster?
Can anyone report with personal experiences, or data or information about any other mushrooms active or not causing "mushroom workers lung" like oysters do?
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nube424
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Whitelighter]
#25876806 - 03/15/19 08:34 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any spores could cause issues if u have allergies or asthma.. but nothing serious.
All u have to do is harvest b4 they sporulate. Pick them b4 the veil tears and u'll never have enough spores in the air to be an issue
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Enkidu
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: nube424]
#25876814 - 03/15/19 08:40 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would be on the safe side and do whst nube said
I have asthma and I've noticed a correlation between spore drops and symptoms
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Kizzle
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: nube424]
#25876851 - 03/15/19 09:03 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know how common spore related problems with other mushroom species are but the dust exposure from moving around compost can be an issue, particularly for people that are doing it many hours a day it's a concern or should be a concern at least.
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Whitelighter
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Kizzle]
#25876872 - 03/15/19 09:16 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so it's a legit issue to be raised,.
But the focus was on the scientifically documented oysters, that cause decay of lung function.;
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nube424
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Whitelighter]
#25876878 - 03/15/19 09:20 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Idk.. probly not like ur thinking. And with oysters, they sporulates for awhile before they're harvested. And if u work on a farm there's gonna be TONS of oysters.
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Whitelighter
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: nube424]
#25876882 - 03/15/19 09:22 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why? can not the farm be certified for non oyster production?
How much does that cost per year?
How much is a life worth for money?
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MH5109
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Whitelighter]
#25876894 - 03/15/19 09:27 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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It probably has something to do with demand for them. There is also a wide variety of oysters to grow and they are also pretty easy to produce in quantity.
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Whitelighter
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: MH5109]
#25876898 - 03/15/19 09:28 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like that SHiitake store for up to two weeks.. where as oysters are more on demand.
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Kizzle
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Whitelighter]
#25876915 - 03/15/19 09:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whitelighter said: Why? can not the farm be certified for non oyster production?
How much does that cost per year?
How much is a life worth for money?
He means if you're working on an oyster farm as opposed to growing them at home as a hobby.
We're mostly hobbyists here.
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ChocolateMilk
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Kizzle]
#25879982 - 03/17/19 12:10 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is actually a facinating topic, I can't find it now, but I was reading somewhere that people are developing either non-sporulating/ clear spore varieties of oysters because of big this problem really is. I personally think oyster spores are insanely argessive, before i started cubes i did oysters and they would show up in my cakes and sides of my empty sgfc. I even had them show up in a pile of substrate I dropped into a box behind my work desk! Like no cube I know can handle that abuse. A lot of people have an allergy to spores of certain mushrooms and mold on a spectrum, some worse than others. But to have an aggressive illness type problem with working in this field is pretty bad.
@nube424 on the topic of harvesting before spores drop. I think either the large scale procedures or the farmers tryna make that extra buck in weight makes them harvest a lil later. Idk I know some are different than others.
I have also read that certain substance components dust are not safe to breath over long periods of time and depending on their quality they can contain other hazardous materials. Like vermiculite ore containing asbestos when mined
I know this is an NY time article, but I was too lazy to read through any PDF studies. So take it with a grain of asbestos lol. I have heard this come up many times over the last few years tho www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/realestate/your-home-removing-asbestos-in-vermiculite.html The form of asbestos is tremolite Which is briefly brought up mid page, but is very hateful on its own, and worse than asbestos building material quality that most people are exposed to from old insulation.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremolite
The facinating thing about tremolite is that once put under metamorphic conditions it transforms into Diopside. Diopside is a used for jewelry, but also because it is essentially a stable crystaline form of asbestos(which is known for having incredibly small particles that continuously break into smaller and smaller particles sharpie than almost all natural dust/ silts or clays. It makes it an amazing insulator. hence why its been used since ancient china empire reined as insulation for housing to even fire proof suits to inovate rocket technology "safely"). Asbestos is a double edge sword. One of the bestand cheapest insulators known to man, yet very hazardous. the containers made to hold nuclear waste are some of the "safest" long term storage systems we know of with diopside.
The tiny parties of asbestos are also why it is so bad to take into your body, if you breath it in it will penetrate the sides of your lungs layer after layer. Breaking smaller and sharper each time, and everything your lungs do to try to "eject" it naturally with just make it worse until your lungs are just permanent festering wounds.
Now to sum it up You are breathing in large amounts of asbestos causing your lungs to be open wounds. On top of coating them with spores you may be allergic too, and all the other organic and inorganic dust and chemicals from work environment and home. And then to top it all off even if you are not "allergic" to spores your lungs after a long enough time of this can become a natural micro-climate with high humidity, lack of protection from your now over worked weakend immune system and covered in literal ideal substraight. And these cocky ass spores may get tempted enough to germinate or at least try too. not to mention pre-exsiting asthma. And all other fumes being breathed in in that environment.
A lil fun fact about asbestos: If you were to take a single (average sized)partical of it at waist level (about 3ft average) and drop it. It would take 48 hours to hit the ground. * and this is if you are in completely still air like a vacuum.
Now say there is any slight breeze or disturbance in the air? It may float continuously breaking into smaller sharper pieces for YEARS! So if you live in a building that ever had. it is probably floating in your air now, maybe floating since the day the place was built:)
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Edited by ChocolateMilk (03/17/19 10:05 PM)
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Whitelighter
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: ChocolateMilk]
#25880608 - 03/17/19 05:26 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yikes! That is a great post about asbestos.. It's really scary to hear that stuff! I believe that might be somewhat similar to what breathing in diatomaceous earth does, because they are tiny microscopic razor sharp fossils of living organisms composed of silica, and that's why they work as a non toxic pesticide, but if you breathe it, it slices up your lungs. but asbestos sounds way worse with the whole breaking down into smaller particles. Bad stuff!
I am thinking at some point I may start a semi-commercial small scale mushroom farm, but I am just considering sticking to Shiitake, Resihi, and Lions mane, stuff with not such a heavy spore load. Either way, I think it's a good idea to wear a facemask when working in the fruiting chamber at the very least.
Thanks for all the info everyone!
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Buck513
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Whitelighter]
#25880650 - 03/17/19 05:52 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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There’s a few mushroom channels on YouTube with a lot of info. Like Earth Angel Mushrooms, What The Fungus and Myers Mushrooms Farms. I know Earth Angel Mushrooms has a couple videos talking about the sporeload on his mushroom farm. He uses a respirator.
Should check out them channels.
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DnDRnD
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Buck513]
#25880657 - 03/17/19 05:57 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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There was one vermiculite mine that contained asbestos and they shut it down from what i remember so that's not a worry, although that dust is still irritating to the throat
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juniperus
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Re: Question about mushroom spore lung allergy for mushroom workers. [Re: Whitelighter]
#25880659 - 03/17/19 05:57 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whitelighter said: Yikes! That is a great post about asbestos.. It's really scary to hear that stuff! I believe that might be somewhat similar to what breathing in diatomaceous earth does, because they are tiny microscopic razor sharp fossils of living organisms composed of silica, and that's why they work as a non toxic pesticide, but if you breathe it, it slices up your lungs. but asbestos sounds way worse with the whole breaking down into smaller particles. Bad stuff!
I am thinking at some point I may start a semi-commercial small scale mushroom farm, but I am just considering sticking to Shiitake, Resihi, and Lions mane, stuff with not such a heavy spore load. Either way, I think it's a good idea to wear a facemask when working in the fruiting chamber at the very least.
Thanks for all the info everyone!
You seem like you're not opposed to looking into the research. Try to examine views which do not align with your own more carefully and give them consideration.
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Previous studies of DE toxicity insufficiently constrain the respiratory hazard posed by exposure to DE deposits worldwide: epidemiology studies have mainly focussed on DE workers in a single location (California) (e.g. [9, 10, 14–17]), and are unable to distinguish between exposure to unprocessed or processed DE, while toxicology studies rarely state the sample source and investigate few samples.
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No correlation was observed between crystalline silica content and DE’s potential toxicity, despite previously being implicated in epidemiological studies of DE exposure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4509483/
The asbestos contaminated vermiculite issue is typically not an issue in the US.
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Vermiculite from other sources is not known to be associated with any substantial adverse health effects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4551440/
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Vermiculite ores may contain a variety of other minerals including asbestos, which, if present in significant quantities, could pose a health risk to producers and end users. A variety of regulations are in place that should prevent inadvertent exposure to asbestos in vermiculites, ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4551440/#R2
All things considered, I would still likely wear a respirator if I worked in and situation where I was exposed to large amounts of airborne particulate. This is of significance to me as a woodworker, and accordingly, I always use respiratory protection while working with power tools
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