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 Re: Creationist Propaganda  [Re: TrueBrode]
#2587377 - 04/21/04 03:16 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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First of all, evolutionary bioligists are going to be inherently biased to their theories, and obvious appreciation of evolutionary biology. Anyways, you keep making this statement, which is irrelevant to my argument. My point is that within the development of hominids, to the current conclusion- homo sapien, there is not a precise record explaining exactly how each change/phase happened, and the current finds contain contrivances and holes.
True, but not having an exact record of how each change took place does not negate the fact that changes took place.
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No, the fossil record provides evidence for a timeline, and as more fossils are found, the timeline is reworked to fit theories.
Seems more like theories are reworked to fit the new timeline.
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It's reasonable that hominids evolved along a certain line eventually to their current state, homo sapiens, but it's not precisely evident yet.
We may not know exactly which species evolved from which, but it seems reasonable to assume that these homonids were all related, and thus are not too far from the same evolutionary path.
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With a topic this important- with so many possible ramifications for society if proven true- I'll consider it a doctrine until I am completely convinced. Don't confuse current trends that have not been proven, nor are completely evident, with some sort of superior finality.
doc?trine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dktrn)
n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic. Something taught; a teaching.
the?o?ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, th?r)
n. pl. the?o?ries
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
Okay, if you're going to take the first definition for both of these words, then it could be considered both a doctrine and a theory.
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Re: Creationist Propaganda [Re: silversoul7]
#2587570 - 04/21/04 04:16 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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On a related note, did Darwin say it was 'survival of the fittest?' Because I have this quote, "Tis is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." - Charles Darwin
Fittest in this context meaning 'fit for/adapted to the situation', not fit as in fitness.
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Seems more like theories are reworked to fit the new timeline.
A theory will be kept as long as it's viable, but that doesn't mean a new theory pops up with every slight deviation from the timeline.
The discovery of a new species doesn't automatically lead to a new theory. It makes more sense to adapt the timeline to fir the new theory than to create both a new theory and a new timeline.
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Okay, if you're going to take the first definition for both of these words, then it could be considered both a doctrine and a theory.
Like it or not, there are trends in science just as there are in any other field of human endeavor. It's easier to stick to what you think you know than to revise or radically change your entire paradigm. Not every scientist is perfect, as they are all human.
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Re: Creationist Propaganda [Re: Evolving]
#2587611 - 04/21/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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With all the selective breeding and extra influences brought about by human intervention on various life forms, have we ever recorded the emergence of a new species or new organs?
Well, thanks to genetic engineering, we now have a tomato that, were it a fish, it would swim upstream. 
I'd guess the saying "survival of the fittest" that is commonly thrown around today is a bastardization of Darwin's idea which was that natural selection worked based on how well an organism 'fit' with its environment.
'Fit' in the sense of how an organism matches its environment, not how physically "fit" it is. Fuckin' language...
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