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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25863099 - 03/09/19 02:32 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

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PE sounded pretty enticing but not great for a newbie so I chose GTs. Wondering if I would have had better luck with B+ but like they say, "a cube is a cube". I'll turn the fan off until I get the coir for the tek mentioned above.

Is it dangerous to re-dunk or just extra risk for some reason?



You can dunk them again, no problem, but if they are weakened limit your dunking to about 4 hours to limit stress.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25863100 - 03/09/19 02:33 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Nah we tend not to worry about introducing contamination after birthing or spawning. Contamination is absolutly everywhere in the air around you. Redunk & roll is common practice with cakes. You can do it with pins on them, doesnt matter. Cakes are hardy as fuck.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: Timboslice]
    #25863151 - 03/09/19 03:20 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Thanks again so much to everyone! Coir will be here on Monday. Quick question regarding the unmodified tub tek: in the "sterilization" of the coir, do you have any good ideas as to insulated containers for that little amount of substrate + hot water? I obviously don't need a 5 gallon bucket or cooler to get that done.
Would etiquette of the board suggest I post pictures in this thread as I continue with your recommendations?


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25863156 - 03/09/19 03:23 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Yes. Post pictures :smile:

And u can't buy a bucket? They're $5 at HD


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25863165 - 03/09/19 03:27 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Ya man post up, and go get a bucket. I have a handful of 'em. They're way useful.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: Timboslice]
    #25863201 - 03/09/19 03:40 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

For small amount buckets are awkward. I just use a pot for small amounts and wrap it in a thick blanket. Pot with a lid obviously. I boil water in it, dump coir right into it on the stove, and turn gas off once coir is all in and lid is on. Then I put it on top of my blanket and envelope the pot with it. Holds heat overnight.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25863218 - 03/09/19 03:44 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Also wanted to mention that small amounts obviously have less heat stored, so it's beneficial to do it in the same pot which is already hot from boiling water.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25864307 - 03/09/19 11:43 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Alright. I've re-dunked the cakes, I'll be taking them out in a few hours - I figure crumbling the cakes while a bit moist might make it easier. I also re-moistened the perlite for the time being, hopefully the cakes will be happy until their imminent destruction.
Coir arrives on Monday and I'll go get an insulated container that night and cook up the substrate. I'll wake up early on Tuesday and prep the shoeboxes before work. I'll be back with pics then :smile:Any estimate about the timetable here? I read BOD's timetable in the tek, but am unsure what differences w/ BRF cakes in lieu of bulk spawn will bring. The crumbled up cakes will have to colonize the coir (right?), approx. 2 weeks there, 2 weeks for pins, 1 week till harvest or something like that? I'm not in a rush, just curious :smile:


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25864514 - 03/10/19 01:25 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

As with anything, it depends. I have a shoebox that just finished colonizing that was made from 6 cakes on 2/28. That's a bit over a week. I see signs of pinning in it already. Another shoebox made with 6 cakes on 2/12 looks like this (Costa):



Admittedly, this is probably one of the worst ones I have seen in a year.

And here for comparison is a shoebox made with a quart of oat spawn with monoculture isolate on 2/18 (TX):



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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25870878 - 03/13/19 01:50 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Holy cow those look great.

I ended up "splurging" for an insulated 5 gallon container and the coir and water are sitting together now (the coir arrived a day late). I just realized I fucked up a bit though, when I went and got the Sterilite 1642 containers, homeboy at the hardware store gave me the shoeboxes with opaque, non-latching lids. There are still gaps when placed upside down for FAE/humidity regulation. I didn't think anything of it at the time because I'm a novice. Now I am worried about side/bottom pinning. I figured I would carry out the procedure tomorrow then head to home depot tomorrow or the next day and find the right lids. How frustrating and shortsighted!


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25872287 - 03/13/19 07:58 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Pictures as promised:


Are those maybe hyphal knots on this cake? They seem small...? Oh well if so...



The cakes I worked so hard to make all shredded up. I used denger's "smaller than a walnut, bigger than a pea" guideline. RIP BRF cakes. Some of the cakes had a bit of color, it seemed indigo and likely just bruising, but I excluded those pieces from the coir anyhow. While shredding up the cakes, the insides were all pristine white and a distinct mushroom smell flooded the surroundings.



Glad I got up an hour early to get this done...


I made it a bit more level after I took this photo. I tamped it all down nicely. The coir seemed like appropriate in dampness, a bit of condensation overtook the walls of the tub after everything was all mixed up. 

How does it look? I still need to go get those transparent lids, but I figure I have another day or two before that's REALLY needed. I could be wrong because I'm super new to this.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25873267 - 03/14/19 08:51 AM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Looks good. You do not need transparent lids, you need another pair of shoeboxes. I cover my shoeboxes with inverted shoeboxes to give the fruits room to grow. And yes, you can use regular lids till they are fully colonized.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25873719 - 03/14/19 01:42 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)

How do you create a gap for FAE with an inverted box? And you do that when it's all colonized up?


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25873748 - 03/14/19 01:52 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)

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How do you create a gap for FAE with an inverted box? And you do that when it's all colonized up?



It's called "Dub Tub". The imperfect rim at the top of each tub creates a gap for FAE. :thumbup:


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25873751 - 03/14/19 01:54 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)

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How do you create a gap for FAE with an inverted box? And you do that when it's all colonized up?



When the second tub is stacked on top it's always imperfect fit which provides enough FAE for almost all situations except a full canopy. If I get very heavy pinning I slide it a tiny bit length wise to create an 1/8"-1/4" gap. In all other situations I leave it fully closed. I do keep the white lid on during colonization sometimes, but not for FAE reasons but when I do not have enough tubs around. It colonizes fine either way.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25873755 - 03/14/19 01:56 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)

By the way, mushrooms will tell you if you do not have enough FAE. They start developing fuzz at the base and blobs may appear. In time you yourself will get a sense of what's enough. They are pretty forgiving.

By the way, you should see some new mycelial growth in the next day or two if your cakes were ok.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25875342 - 03/15/19 10:16 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

Things are looking good, I think! Fluffy white myc has started poking out the top layer :laugh: Very appreciative of all the help from everyone and just this community in general, thanks again! I'll post pictures after work! Another QQ: this is obviously very low maintenance Tek but bod mentions occasional misting... Since humidity was my initial issue, do you have tips as to identifying when to do that and how? Bod mentions it's good to have that mycology green thumb, which I obviously don't yet.  Is misting after everything is all colonized up? I still see some condensation on the walls, but it's slowly decreasing in prevalence.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25875350 - 03/15/19 10:22 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

If the coir starts looking dry (like a very light brown color) I'll hit it with a few shots of mist from a spray bottle. Really I try to hold off on misting until the sub is 100% colonized. Shoeboxes I will keep the lid snapped down until it's finished colonizing...holds in the moisture better. :thumbup:


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: wildfox]
    #25877461 - 03/16/19 10:45 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

If your cover is on, and your coir was properly hydrated, you do not need any misting until after pinning at least. Once it pins, watch how much condensation is on the walls and if there are beads of water on top of the mycelium. If it all looks dry, open it up and spray upwards and let the drops fall on the tub like fine rain. Just a few squeezes of the bottle will do, do not overdo it.


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Re: Difficulty with pinning/fruiting [Re: denger]
    #25877731 - 03/16/19 01:11 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

GTS ARE WHAT I CHOSE TO START OUT WITH. I HAD ONE GROW FROM NOTHING TO71 grams in 3 days. Their pretty noob friendly IMHO. ☺️


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