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Official Misc EXOTIC Thread * 10
    #25874536 - 03/14/19 07:11 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

So Pans Tamps and WL's all have their own threads, shit even cube strains have their own lol, but there are plenty of non cube psilocybes out there so this will be a place for them haha. so for the most part I want to exclude wood lovers (azzy, wavys, subgs, ovoids) but there are some rare woodloves that I want to include (Azteca for example) anyway I only have a few subtrop pins and some zap on agar atm however I have several other species that will fit perfectly in this thread not far off. anyway i cant wait to see what yall got!!!



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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #25874547 - 03/14/19 07:20 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

:popcorn: An excellent idea sir!

Just saw some nice clean/aggressive germination in my hoog cakes today :cantwait:

edit: Although I think you need a snappier title. Official Misc Exotic Thread, I'm just throwin it out there it obviously doesn't matter

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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25874621 - 03/14/19 07:52 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

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:popcorn: An excellent idea sir!

Just saw some nice clean/aggressive germination in my hoog cakes today :cantwait:

edit: Although I think you need a snappier title. Official Misc Exotic Thread, I'm just throwin it out there it obviously doesn't matter



I agree the title needs work I was hoping yall would offer up suggestions


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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25874651 - 03/14/19 08:11 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

Wonder what bod would have to say about the bruised mycelium in agar? We had a short conversation earlier this year where he stated that only bacterial mycelium bruises.

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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25874681 - 03/14/19 08:25 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

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Wonder what bod would have to say about the bruised mycelium in agar? We had a short conversation earlier this year where he stated that only bacterial mycelium bruises.



it very well could be bacterial. I need to clean up several of my subtrop dishes yet. I have one set cleaned (fruiting now) ill pull a clone from it then a clone from my other ms trays when ready that way I can get a myriad of genetics for crosses later on


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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25874697 - 03/14/19 08:31 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

Definitely want to fall along! I love these exotics! Gonna put some semilicantea (libs) to agar soon


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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25874720 - 03/14/19 08:42 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

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Definitely want to fall along! I love these exotics! Gonna put some semilicantea (libs) to agar soon



Awsome! What do you plan to do with it? Indoors or outdoors?

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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25874763 - 03/14/19 09:15 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

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Definitely want to fall along! I love these exotics! Gonna put some semilicantea (libs) to agar soon



Awsome! What do you plan to do with it? Indoors or outdoors?




Some of both hopefully, my indoor idea is to colonize some grains and grow some grass in a mix of compost, manure, and probably some coco coir to help lighten up the soil a bunch and place the grains under the grass patch and fruit in a SGFC somewhere kinda cold since theyre a fall mushroom (atleast around here)


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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25874898 - 03/14/19 10:50 PM (5 years, 15 days ago)

I should get my semilanceta print here soon. the only successful indoor grows ive seen on it have been done invitro so I want to try and get it in a mono and a tray. I will also run sum invitro bags my plan is to
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and 10% soil

im gonna pasteurize my mono and trays and sterilize my invitro

I plan on casing with potting soil and coco hummus and hydrate with 1:7 fluvic acid.

for the zaps im going to run
40% manure
30% verm
30% coir
im going to allow that to colonize then cut it into (pasteurized)
75% worm casings
25% verm
then ill case with 80% worm casings 20% verm and again hydrate my casing with fulvic acid

psilocybe aztecorum is another one i got comming up. this one is tricky.....er lol

so as far as i know this has never been done before inside so i will also be making outdoor patches but my goal with everything i grow is to develope a highly effecient indoor tek.... here is my plan.....

in a cold wheather ten


im going to try and bulk to rye grass seed, pinus radiata sawdust, hwfp and leaves and twigs i collect from forrest floor.once colonized i will drop temp to about 40F for about a month (once bulk is at about 90%) after a month i will faise temps to 58F to attemp fruiting. im also getting baeocystis which i will try and run the same way.


then im really looking forward to a true hoog acutly umbonate which i will run the same as sub trop. anyways sorry for the book im just bored and excited mush love fam!


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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #25875250 - 03/15/19 06:44 AM (5 years, 15 days ago)

Those sound way cool! I like working with the hard to grow ones, the challenge and expirementation is fun as all hell!! I wanna get a weilli print or syringe and try that out


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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25875954 - 03/15/19 01:40 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

I've got Pan Cyans, Ps Mexicana and Ps Tampensis on agar, but for now I'm just a spectator.

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Re: Offical active Alt exotics (non cube pan and WL's ) thread [Re: vikingsc]
    #25876109 - 03/15/19 03:01 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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I've got Pan Cyans, Ps Mexicana and Ps Tampensis on agar, but for now I'm just a spectator.




I never said no sclerotia producers (although I don't wanna flood the thread with them a few here and there would be nice especially while the thread is young


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25876214 - 03/15/19 03:46 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Fucking sweeet!!!


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    #25876217 - 03/15/19 03:47 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Awesome work bro!


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: HrafnaFloki]
    #25876533 - 03/15/19 05:55 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

I've been confused about hoog identification/names so my ears perked up when you said "true hoog." Maybe you can clarify my misunderstanding.

Got a print from captain that he called semperviva, which I thought was just an older name for hoog, but maybe they're a unique species. I don't know which source to trust. I meant to clarify with him but he was in the midst of an enormous giveaway at the time, maybe I should do that.

Then the picture of hoogs in psilocybin mushrooms of the world has  those really pronounced/elongated umbos, which I don't think I've ever seen in the cultivated specimens on this website. Think thats species or just morphology differences between wild/cultivated?

Then also in the book it says psilocybe hoogshagenii = psi. caerulipes = psi. aztecorum. Does the = sign mean these are all the same species? I don't think thats the case, confuses the hell out of me.

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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25876542 - 03/15/19 05:58 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Yes sub tropicalis was missed labeled as  Hoog at some point And earths tongue and a couple other vendors I can’t remember exactly which ones just them sold as hoog var convexa. But my understanding is that’s not real. That is psilocybe subtrop and the “lil ones” with the spine is true Hoogashengii acutely umbonate. That’s how Alan explained it to me at least I’m pretty sure I’m remembering it correctly


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25876965 - 03/15/19 10:22 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Sum more pics of subtrop and sum prints I took of hausteca


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    #25876970 - 03/15/19 10:25 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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Sum more pics of subtrop and sum prints I took of hausteca





What's huasteca?


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: DnDRnD] * 1
    #25876993 - 03/15/19 10:43 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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Sum more pics of subtrop and sum prints I took of hausteca





What's huasteca?



Pan hausteca is a wild specimen I received from Alan a few months back. As far as we know this is first ever cult of it. We’re not even fully convinced it is pan cyan. Although Alan says the sport size is consistent but it definitely looks much different
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    #25877016 - 03/15/19 10:58 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

That's bad fucking ass!!! I wonder if it is it's own species or if it's a variation? Wonder if alan will dna sequence it at some point, did it grow on manure like normal pans?


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: DnDRnD] * 1
    #25877050 - 03/15/19 11:49 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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That's bad fucking ass!!! I wonder if it is it's own species or if it's a variation? Wonder if alan will dna sequence it at some point, did it grow on manure like normal pans?



yeah he will sequence it, yes grew just like pan cyans but then again so do pan cams so who know. it could be something completely different like pan Africana or some shit. I also have a wild specimen collected from the island of komodo. (diff source) my friends wife does research on the dragons and he collected it on the island with her. we are pretty sure its pan cam but not sure. fun STUFF!!!


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    #25877058 - 03/15/19 11:56 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Ahh i didnt know all pans are manure based substrate lovers, makes sense though! Hell yeah thats badass! I'm kinda jelly haha, definitely be cool if it turns out to be its own species but either way right on!


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: DnDRnD] * 1
    #25877070 - 03/16/19 12:05 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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Ahh i didnt know all pans are manure based substrate lovers, makes sense though! Hell yeah thats badass! I'm kinda jelly haha, definitely be cool if it turns out to be its own species but either way right on!



Well I don’t know that to be true necessarily although I have yet to find a pan that you didn’t like manure (yet) lol Although I’ve heard talk of people growing them without it I don’t see the need to over complicate something that’s already pretty complicated


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    #25877092 - 03/16/19 12:24 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Very true, pans have been giving me some trouble recently, but I'll get them to work eventually! I wanna get into zaps and Aztecs and I think weilli are the ones that are like a little puffball, they look way cool


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    #25877122 - 03/16/19 12:58 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

yeah the pans can be tricky you really just gotta spend time with them and you will start to get a feel for them. every strain a little different but most info translates in one way or another. im pretty confident I can make the zaps happen relatively quickly. and ill kick out prints. the Aztec is gonna be a lil harder. might take a few trays before I get them but I think we can figure her out! hell yeah man im excited to see what you come up with! where are u having ur difficulty with the pans?


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    #25877131 - 03/16/19 01:04 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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Sum more pics of subtrop and sum prints I took of hausteca




is it just me or do these look an awful lot like pans? it def was much different than pans on agar but it look very similar to pan I suppose they are still young but im def suspect.... im a terrible IDerizer tho lol im allowed to grow not to find lol so sayith the mushroom


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #25877337 - 03/16/19 06:38 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

They definitely look like pans! But I'm no identifier either, haha my trouble is getting them to colonize the bulk substrate, I have a tray of oats spawned to some coir and cow manure/compost mix and its colonizing suuppeer slow, could be slightly bacterial though, getting nice thick mycelium where it is colonizing its just taking forever


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: DnDRnD] * 1
    #25877354 - 03/16/19 06:57 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Ive been trying to get some pans going, I failed my first attempt, 2nd try and their pinning now. So I read that shaking the spawn, and or breaking it up to mix with sub  isnt good. So my 2nd attempt I just got the spawn out of the jar by slapping the bottom. Then I put a layer of black kow down. Then the spawn, then more black kow. So far so good, I will post some pics later. But just wanted to see what you thought about the not breaking spawn up Pan Man.
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    #25877367 - 03/16/19 07:11 AM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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Ive been trying to get some pans going, I failed my first attempt, 2nd try and their pinning now. So I read that shaking the spawn, and or breaking it up to mix with sub  isnt good. So my 2nd attempt I just got the spawn out of the jar by slapping the bottom. Then I put a layer of black kow down. Then the spawn, then more black kow. So far so good, I will post some pics later. But just wanted to see what you thought about the not breaking spawn up Pan Man.
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    #25878029 - 03/16/19 01:59 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

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Sum more pics of subtrop and sum prints I took of hausteca




is it just me or do these look an awful lot like pans? it def was much different than pans on agar but it look very similar to pan I suppose they are still young but im def suspect.... im a terrible IDerizer tho lol im allowed to grow not to find lol so sayith the mushroom



These are certainly Panaeolus, not Psilocybe.


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Sum more pics of subtrop and sum prints I took of hausteca




is it just me or do these look an awful lot like pans? it def was much different than pans on agar but it look very similar to pan I suppose they are still young but im def suspect.... im a terrible IDerizer tho lol im allowed to grow not to find lol so sayith the mushroom



These are certainly Panaeolus, not Psilocybe.



Yeah I agree 😫 well I have one other supposed subtrop print from a different source I’ll try. It moves so slow across the grain though and the Bach very on characteristic of SB it moves so slow across the grain though and the bark very on characteristic of pans. I was certain it was what it claim to be up until last night I started having doubts.  It makes sense though because the trays I put to coir Did not fruit so I wonder what species of pan this is it definitely looks like the Australian At this stage


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    #25878062 - 03/16/19 02:15 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

Maybe it's Panaeolus tropicalis, I guess those two names could possibly get confused:shrug:


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    #25878085 - 03/16/19 02:29 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

I should have my micrometer on Tuesday I’ll measure the spore size. Of course I’m going to need you to tell me what that size means LOL If it is tropicalis that would be pretty cool because I failed several times with it they are harder than any other pan I have attempted


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Here is “subtrop” on agar


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They definitely look like pans! But I'm no identifier either, haha my trouble is getting them to colonize the bulk substrate, I have a tray of oats spawned to some coir and cow manure/compost mix and its colonizing suuppeer slow, could be slightly bacterial though, getting nice thick mycelium where it is colonizing its just taking forever



I see a lot of ppl recommending 60%-!00% manure but ime the straw is just as important. I cut in 60% chopped strae 35% manure 5% verm. ive tried on super dung heavy subs and no pins. that's not to say it cant be done coud depend on the dung itself but my advice is to try that bulk recipe


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Ive been trying to get some pans going, I failed my first attempt, 2nd try and their pinning now. So I read that shaking the spawn, and or breaking it up to mix with sub  isnt good. So my 2nd attempt I just got the spawn out of the jar by slapping the bottom. Then I put a layer of black kow down. Then the spawn, then more black kow. So far so good, I will post some pics later. But just wanted to see what you thought about the not breaking spawn up Pan Man.
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I've heard the same thing! It definitely takes awhile to recover it seems like



I shake all my spwawn but only 1 time at 30%


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    #25878439 - 03/16/19 05:30 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

@Jake I guess you could send it someone that could look at the basidium. Have no idea what kind of magnification
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They definitely look like pans! But I'm no identifier either, haha my trouble is getting them to colonize the bulk substrate, I have a tray of oats spawned to some coir and cow manure/compost mix and its colonizing suuppeer slow, could be slightly bacterial though, getting nice thick mycelium where it is colonizing its just taking forever



I see a lot of ppl recommending 60%-!00% manure but ime the straw is just as important. I cut in 60% chopped strae 35% manure 5% verm. ive tried on super dung heavy subs and no pins. that's not to say it cant be done coud depend on the dung itself but my advice is to try that bulk recipe




That would make sense, I should add more verm or something to lighten it up, or break down and buy some straw

Ive been using this cheap cow manure and compost mix i got at home depot, they seem to take to it pretty well, just gotta sift out all the sticks first


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They definitely look like pans! But I'm no identifier either, haha my trouble is getting them to colonize the bulk substrate, I have a tray of oats spawned to some coir and cow manure/compost mix and its colonizing suuppeer slow, could be slightly bacterial though, getting nice thick mycelium where it is colonizing its just taking forever



I see a lot of ppl recommending 60%-!00% manure but ime the straw is just as important. I cut in 60% chopped strae 35% manure 5% verm. ive tried on super dung heavy subs and no pins. that's not to say it cant be done coud depend on the dung itself but my advice is to try that bulk recipe




That would make sense, I should add more verm or something to lighten it up, or break down and buy some straw

Ive been using this cheap cow manure and compost mix i got at home depot, they seem to take to it pretty well, just gotta sift out all the sticks first




I would definitely use a straw I think the reasons pans prefer dung It’s because it is digested grass I don’t think they’re able to get the most out of it before it is digested however mixing it in with some Dunga seems to alleviate the process this is just what I’m noticing I don’t have any scientific evidence to back this up but I’ve been cutting my straw in pretty heavy and they love it


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Spore size should tell me something My micrometer arrives on Tuesday.  to tell what strain it is would require DNA sequencing wouldn’t it and even then could you definitively say what region it came from ? I’m not exactly sure of the answer to these questions I’m just now really delving into this kind of subject matter as I gear up for pan crosses I have most of the equipment I need but finding the information is proving somewhat Slowly but Surely I’m getting it though I have a bout for PDFs to read tonight after I get done in the lab


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    #25878539 - 03/16/19 06:11 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

Tropicalis has two spores per. Cyans would have four. So I don't think you need sequencing just a good scope. Not sure
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Yes no I know that but as far as if I discover it is a Pan cyan  Determining  this train will be next to impossible correct ?


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I agree with dndrnd, def look like pans. Curious when you find out.

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    #25878587 - 03/16/19 06:34 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

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Yes no I know that but as far as if I discover it is a Pan cyan  Determining  this train will be next to impossible correct ?




I would think that would be impossible. The phenotype is Aussie, but looks aren't everything.

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    #25878594 - 03/16/19 06:39 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

Oh shit so I was looking through my incubation rack and I missed it on first glance but look what I found hiding in the back it’s on now!


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I don't think there's anything visible on your hands lol

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That makes sense, I'll have to order some straw and compare!


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    #25881433 - 03/18/19 07:01 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

So here's my P.Cyan tub. It's stress fruiting I think, the tubs got mean green pretty bad. But to me, a success knowing I can get these going. I'm going to try the recipe you suggested pan man.

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So here's my P.Cyan tub. It's stress fruiting I think, the tubs got mean green pretty bad. But to me, a success knowing I can get these going. I'm going to try the recipe you suggested pan man.

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Yeah the conditions there look good they just look manurished. That sub works well for me and it’s a lil more forgiving on how perfect your manure has to be. Keep me posted


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Pan work tonight tomorrow zaps and Tampa


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    #25893471 - 03/24/19 09:26 AM (5 years, 6 days ago)

Huasteca has some very unique features if it turns out to be a cyan like the spores show with that side by side of the pan Aussie and pan huasteca then pic of the fruits once the caps have opened fully.


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How do you intend on fruiting your zaps? I have 2 jars of Zap spawn that need to be fruited asap but I have no bagasse...

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    #25900682 - 03/27/19 06:25 PM (5 years, 2 days ago)

I just got humus/worm casting mix and I'm getting a ride tomorrow afternoon to get straw for the zap sub.


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How do you intend on fruiting your zaps? I have 2 jars of Zap spawn that need to be fried asap but I have no bagasse...




I’m going to post first part of zap grow log tonight.




Nice! If I can get these caerulescens going and you get the zaps, that's 2 out of 3 of the main Mazatec ceremonial
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How do you intend on fruiting your zaps? I have 2 jars of Zap spawn that need to be fried asap but I have no bagasse...




I’m going to post first part of zap grow log tonight.




Nice! If I can get these caerulescens going and you get the zaps, that's 2 out of 3 of the main Mazatec ceremonial
mushrooms. I need to get my hands on an aztecorum print but something tells me that ain't gonna be easy.



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Yeah man, I remember you posting about it not too long back. Good news about the aztec. Be cool to get people
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    #25904469 - 03/29/19 05:31 PM (5 years, 18 hours ago)

So I continue to hunt for zap genetics on agar, I’ve definitely sped it up a lil but by sectoring fastest growths I’ve been having sum problems with it on grain so hopefully these will move a lil faster and get it done. Also made sum fresh zap LC

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    #25909561 - 04/01/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Here we go time to pump this thread


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    #25909622 - 04/01/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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    #25913559 - 04/03/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Spore size on the mystery pan


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    #25914040 - 04/03/19 05:03 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, what scope/equipment you use to do that? PM me some links please. That's bad ass.

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    #25914058 - 04/03/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Amscope with a md130 camera although I think the mu camera series would do a lil better


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    #25929674 - 04/11/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Finally got got looking zap spawn a hit from LC gonna do another run tomorrow for sum g2 g action


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    #25931047 - 04/12/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Nice jake. I have some zap on plates now just getting started. Some dude mailed me some spawn in one of those
plastic containers they use for ketchup in burger joints :lol:

I wanna compare notes on this soon.

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Nice jake. I have some zap on plates now just getting started. Some dude mailed me some spawn in one of those
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I wanna compare notes on this soon.



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    #25934996 - 04/14/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

so I bulked a few tray of zap tonight and took some pictures of the spores. zap mycelium moves pretty slow (about half the spped as cubes) and it resembles Mexicana mycelium in that it takes on a wispy tan color once on the grain however on agar it stays white. I also got some good looking neoxalapensis dishes off of some gill fragments alan sent me. these spores are very small also. im going to try a few different approaches with the zaps. the trays I just made are
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Then my casing is loam soil (50% soil solids (sand silt clay)
And 50% space and water

*Case 3cm thick!!!!*

Apply dry then hydrate with 1:10 shilajit fulvic acid &water.
This allows you to continuously adjust you ph as I believe a ph spike helps induce pinning
I also have a few sterilized bags of straw im going to inoculate with grain then once colonized I will spawn to pasteurized sugar cane (also gonna try a straw to straw) as for the neos im gonna try them on coir and verm first and go from there as I don't believe they have ever been cultivated (not that I can find) but I got a pretty good description of the places they are commonly found. unfortunately I have not been able to get my psilocybe baeocystis to germinate. the prints came on paper which always gives me problems. the dishes are all still clear so im going to try and re-hit them but I don't think the print I have is good. if anyone has this pls trade with me. oh also going to put down a few psilocybe subaerginosa patches this week also as I got a huge bage of colo chips rdy to go

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    #25947986 - 04/21/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys !

Thank you for all the knowledge.

If all goes well, I should be able to have some Hoogshagenii /Semperviva prints to share soon ! :smile:





I've some Psilocybe Caerulescens var Mazatecorum on agar & grains, I'll keep you posted.

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    #25947994 - 04/21/19 06:14 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome!
Now do you have subtropicalis aka (Hoogashengii var convexa)
Or true Hoogashengii acutely umbonate?

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    #25948008 - 04/21/19 06:27 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly Jake, I would think it's the "true" Hoogashengii, but I have no idea !

The guy who sold it to me just wrote Semperviva on the print.

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    #25948035 - 04/21/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

It’s most likely sub tropicalis but that would be really cool if you had  True Hoogashengii I’ve been waiting on my print of it forever I should have it soon


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Oh really ?
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    #25983819 - 05/10/19 11:33 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Oh shit and I’m bout to zap out
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    #25986577 - 05/11/19 05:59 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

First zap tray placed in FC.
4qts dung
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This neoxpensis is incredible! A2g only take 5 days to full colonization!


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    #25986940 - 05/11/19 09:58 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I never do much in the way of exotics. But I really liked how my zaps turned out. Fuckers were insanely potent. Here is an old pic but one I’m proud of.


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Those are beautiful! What bulk are they on? I have them on 4 different subs right now searching for optimal ( dung straw wood compost)


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    #25987016 - 05/11/19 10:46 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Am I right in thinking that zaps are near identical to aucklandii genetically?

If so, would the technique be the same?

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Am I right in thinking that zaps are near identical to aucklandii genetically?

If so, would the technique be the same?

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    #25987101 - 05/11/19 11:37 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Jake, are you going to fruit those zaps using that set up you were trying for azures?

Don't zaps like high humidity and lower temps? I'm still collecting notes and formulating
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yes the zaps are in my cold weather tent I have rigged to the portable AC unit coupled with a fogger.


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    #25987122 - 05/11/19 11:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

When u decide to try run libs consider colonizing your subs in sterile bags, they are not a fast colonizer so pastuerizing is difficult.


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    #25987127 - 05/11/19 11:54 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

half of every new exotic I run is being done in sterile bags. start broad so I can best identify optimal grow preferences for each one.

but yes I have grow lib caps invitro in bags semi successfully before I will replicate but I also would like to try and develop a more effective tek


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    #25987131 - 05/11/19 11:59 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I like colonizing in bags then moving to tubs and casing, they love fresh air.( sidenote they also do decent around 70 degrees:wink:)
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    #25987220 - 05/12/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yup I don’t tho k you can ever get as big a flush invitro as you could otherwise but yeah open tray canopy is my goal for each exotic. The neoxpensis Really has me impressed I am pretty confident it will be calm as popular as tamps as soon as I get the genetics distributed so far it flies are crossed agar and grain unless it gives me a super difficult time fruiting it should be a slamdunk I can’t imagine it would given its other growth patterns and the information I have gotten from Alan

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    #25987287 - 05/12/19 02:41 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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P.Aucklandii are stoopidly strong fresh (3 for a first trip of the season), and pretty much only grow around Auckland, New Zealand. Apparently almost identical to P.Zapotecorum genetically, though @Inski seems to be the only one to successfully cultivate.

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    #25987437 - 05/12/19 06:36 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Those are beautiful! What bulk are they on? I have them on 4 different subs right now searching for optimal ( dung straw wood compost)




These were not really spawned to bulk in the traditional sense. Sub composition is oak sawdust supplemented with wheat. I also cased it with coir verm.

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Those are beautiful! What bulk are they on? I have them on 4 different subs right now searching for optimal ( dung straw wood compost)




These were not really spawned to bulk in the traditional sense. Sub composition is oak sawdust supplemented with wheat. I also cased it with coir verm.



Hell yeah! I’ve got a few different wood recipes I’ve lost 2 of those already, I don’t believe that the zaps necessarily require wood, as I’ve seen other non wood grows. I’m excited to try them on sugar cane (if I ever receive it) but I think straw may be the key to getting em indoors, of course I’m just now getting to fruiting them so that’s just my speculation lol. I have a feeling the zaps are gonna take a while to hammer down.... but I have the neoxpensis and a few other super rare’s from Alan that I believe will be relatively quick and easy to grow! And a good bit stronger than cubes


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    #25987555 - 05/12/19 08:22 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I think sugarcane baggass has huge potential for species in section zapotecorum. I simply don’t have access to it. But I don’t think manure is what they are after, never seen many manure zap grows that looked like the manure was of any benefit.

Back to sugarcane bagass, Alan R knows someone doing amazing work with zaps on it. I saw a few pics that were simply amazing. I think huge FAE is also critical. If I try em again I will definitely run em in a GH or SGFC instead of a mono.

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Yeah  The dung  substrates are mostly to write off but I imagine I’ll get a underwhelming yield at least.
I’m going to run caerulescens on the sugar cane as well! But yes I think you are right fluffy sub is key!  I would imagine the straw and cane subs will be the winners. I also have a few outdoor zap patches! Today I germ psilocybe mulierculs and psilocybe gallaicaie!  Soon this thread will be nice and defy lol I’ll need y’all help tho 😉🍄❤️


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    #25987927 - 05/12/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, I can't remember if I showed you the pic of the guy that grew them on straight bagasse (sugar cane)



I can't find the stuff anywhere except on Amazon in the form of plates and cups :lol:
My inner MacGuyver was wondering about shredded corn husk.

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I’m actually making another recipe now to try them on straw coir sum hwfp and a little compost I’ll case with a loamy soil


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I prehydrated my hwfp with a glucose water broth ( 1tblspoon)


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I like colonizing in bags then moving to tubs and casing, they love fresh air.( sidenote they also do decent around 70 degrees;))
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Those are beautiful!!


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Oh yeah !

2 weeks and the end of winter (welcome to Canada !) eventually gave some pinning to those Hoogshagenii / Semperviva ! :smile:

So what do you think Jake ? Is it too early to decide between Subtropicalis Vs Psilocybe Hoogshagenii (Semperviva) var Convexa ?



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    #25988668 - 05/12/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Decide between then for what? I’ve been looking for Hoogashengii acutely umbonate for a while now, you got it? nvm I see now, isn’t convexa just a mis-name for  subtrop?


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I have a culture of the real deal just need the time to work with it


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Hell yeah well when you get a chance I’d love to trade ya something for it. I got a few ultra rare’s myself 😉


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I'll pull a slant out this week i should in theory have a couple days off lol


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If I try em again I will definitely run em in a GH or SGFC instead of a mono.





Here are my SGFC Zaps from a little while ago. I'm using a style similar to MacMerdin's Simple Pan Cakes where I make a little garden of half pint jars of substrate in a SGFC. These little guys are a second attempt for this cake to develop mature fruits. I noticed that SGFC Garden grows very short fruits compared to monotubs when using identical substrate w/ the same moisture content. The SGFC seems to dry everything out very quickly, lending to the idea that the SGFC was meant for PF cakes to help hold in the moisture. Having said that, ive had a lot of success with it with just about every species i've tried.



These aborted at about 2" tall. However, I cloned the biggest cluster and ended up getting some VERY aggressive myc out of it. It's much thicker, taller and more healthy looking in general from the myc I started with. Grows slightly faster too! I just need to get my GH finished to give it a shot.

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    #25990432 - 05/13/19 05:30 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Wow ur zap myc looks very different than mine. Mine is much softer more pan like.


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Dude, I can't remember if I showed you the pic of the guy that grew them on straight bagasse (sugar cane)



I can't find the stuff anywhere except on Amazon in the form of plates and cups :lol:
My inner MacGuyver was wondering about shredded corn husk.

I was going to start with at least some wood mulch. My memory is such shit, but I thought the spot where Alan
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doesn't seem not love it either.




:holyfuckdude:

I searched for a very long time for sugarcane bagasse because of the story of the giant caerulescens that were found on sugar cane debris. It was too hard to find from the US south west so I gave up.

Well, I guess I have to start the search again! Those results are too good to not try.

I've also been wondering about corn stalks and even silage. Pollock says it makes "Luxurious" hoogs so it should at least be worth a shot :smile:


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    #25990439 - 05/13/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I’ve found it I have 50 lbs on way 😉
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    #25990442 - 05/13/19 05:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Although I just made a few bags of
fine shredded straw
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I was amazed how fluffy the end result was!
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Wow ur zap myc looks very different than mine. Mine is much softer more pan like.


That bag is fully colonized although you can barely tell in pic




Exactly! The "Zapo1AC Big Cluster A" clone myc is some aggressive stuff.

I have myc like yours too. It came from the same germination as my AC cultures.

Here you can see my "Zapo1BD clone 2" jar that is fully colonized, right next to the AC culture jar. You can only just see the myc from up close. This clone came from my original BD jar that made a MASSIVE pinset that I cloned. Literally 2/3 of the widemouth jar was one massive pin set but the fruits wouldn't pierce the casing like the AC culture did.



Here are the pics of the original plate that these germinated from and the original post I made.

You can see here why my jars are labled AC and BD. I combined the cultures like I did on a hunch. I can explain if someone is curious but I don't have a lot of time right now. The C culture was the fastest growing but was very thin and whispy. The A B and D (but mostly A) cultures where robust, tall and pillowy but didn't grow as fast. I didnt have enough jars for 4 cultures so I mixed the A and C because they both had traits I was looking for. Then I made a BD jar because I could be wrong about the AC culture. Plus, this isnt cultivation, its a relationship :heart: Gotta get to know every part of her.



Notice from bottom how much darker the A B D cultures are compared to the C.



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    #25990515 - 05/13/19 06:08 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome!
Yeah I really noticed this with the pans my Australian and in  Hausteca ISO’s Finish off a jar in 7 to 10 days I just went down there and I have Texas, bisp, Jamaican, peace river, (ms) all Significantly behind My ISO’s. That’s why I try and take a clone as soon as I can because the difference in ability to get them from start to finish is drastic not to mention your yield


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    #25990520 - 05/13/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

However the meanest most aggressive myc I got down there is the neoxpensis!!! That shit is fucking up whole jars off a wedge in 5-7 days!!  Got a few trays almost ready for FC, I’m really excited about these!


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I have a culture of the real deal just need the time to work with it




I have been obsessed with finding Hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii for a long time. I had an old crusty foil of it from 2014 but after at least 35 attempts with no luck i'm down to maybe 4 whole spores haha. Whoever had the foil before me must have cooked it. :facepalm:


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However the meanest most aggressive myc I got down there is the neoxpensis!!! That shit is fucking up whole jars off a wedge in 5-7 days!!  Got a few trays almost ready for FC, I’m really excited about these!





Oh man that sounds RAD! Please post results from that, id love to see it.

Something about aggressive myc makes me happy. It's like this extremely delicate, ephemeral, living tissue paper that is very HANGRY!


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    #25990541 - 05/13/19 06:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Lol yup I got a bunk from ET then a mid label (that was sub trop anyway)

But I just got a msg from Alan last night he is sending me Hoogashengii acutely umbonate,  subtropicalis, Heim I and some more neoxpensis strains! I too have been hunting true hoog a long time


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Oh yeah !

2 weeks and the end of winter (welcome to Canada !) eventually gave some pinning to those Hoogshagenii / Semperviva ! :smile:

So what do you think Jake ? Is it too early to decide between Subtropicalis Vs Psilocybe Hoogshagenii (Semperviva) var Convexa ?






Those are looking great! :rockon:

hoogshagenii var convexa and subtropicales are the same species. There has been a lot of confusion over these(and hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii AKA True Hoogs) due to how the taxonomy of mushrooms has evolved over the years mixed with human error.

In my experience with Subtropicales the first two flushes have the convex cap. After that every flush has more and more of the fruit have concave caps with a little teensy nipple on top.

For example:

(all of these are the same culture)

Flush #2 of subtropicales(Culture labled Semp1c to be extra confusing). Notice the tight curling of the caps. *I let this flush get too dry and stay too long


Same culture as above but in a tray I had in an unmodified monotub. This is flush #3. See how the curl on the cap isn't as tight and more of the population are losing the "convex" look



Flush #6 of the box from the first pic 5 months later.



Now compare my Subtropicales to the True hoogs Jake is referring to




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Lol yup I got a bunk from ET then a mid label (that was sub trop anyway)

But I just got a msg from Alan last night he is sending me Hoogashengii acutely umbonate,  subtropicalis, Heim I and some more neoxpensis strains! I too have been hunting true hoog a long time




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Oh yeah !

2 weeks and the end of winter (welcome to Canada !) eventually gave some pinning to those Hoogshagenii / Semperviva ! :smile:

So what do you think Jake ? Is it too early to decide between Subtropicalis Vs Psilocybe Hoogshagenii (Semperviva) var Convexa ?






Those are looking great! :rockon:

hoogshagenii var convexa and subtropicales are the same species. There has been a lot of confusion over these(and hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii AKA True Hoogs) due to how the taxonomy of mushrooms has evolved over the years mixed with human error.

In my experience with Subtropicales the first two flushes have the convex cap. After that every flush has more and more of the fruit have concave caps with a little teensy nipple on top.

For example:

(all of these are the same culture)

Flush #2 of subtropicales(Culture labled Semp1c to be extra confusing). Notice the tight curling of the caps. *I let this flush get too dry and stay too long


Same culture as above but in a tray I had in an unmodified monotub. This is flush #3. See how the curl on the cap isn't as tight and more of the population are losing the "convex" look



Flush #6 of the box from the first pic 5 months later.



Now compare my Subtropicales to the True hoogs Jake is referring to




Acutely umbonate with an extended papilla, which is fancy talk for adorable.



It’s my understanding that Hoogashengii var convexa is not a thing it’s just sub trip then “true hoog” is the Hoogashengii acutely umbonate (spine) that’s the one I’ve been after and I finally am getting from Alan


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    #25990662 - 05/13/19 07:11 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Lol ok I see the sentence at the bottom haha we said the same thing


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    #25991956 - 05/14/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Although I just made a few bags of
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So. no poo? What you going to grow in this bag? I'm curious to know if you cut out manure for poo lovers here!

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No that recipe is for the zaps and neo’s


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Although I just made a few bags of
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I was amazed how fluffy the end result was!
I have high hopes for that recipe




Hydrating the HWFP with glucose is really clever! :strokebeard:

What ratio of water to glucose did you choose?

If that has success I would love to see side by side test with similar recipes but using sugar cane juice or high fructose corn syrup.

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    #25992527 - 05/14/19 03:22 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks I cut the glucose in at approx 1 tblspoon to 709 gs of water (it’s so damn sticky I don’t want to risk getting any on my scale the powdered malt already ruined my last scale just from the dust settling on it then the humid air making it turned sticky.
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    #25994691 - 05/15/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh yeah !

2 weeks and the end of winter (welcome to Canada !) eventually gave some pinning to those Hoogshagenii / Semperviva ! :smile:

So what do you think Jake ? Is it too early to decide between Subtropicalis Vs Psilocybe Hoogshagenii (Semperviva) var Convexa ?






Those are looking great! :rockon:

hoogshagenii var convexa and subtropicales are the same species. There has been a lot of confusion over these(and hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii AKA True Hoogs) due to how the taxonomy of mushrooms has evolved over the years mixed with human error.

In my experience with Subtropicales the first two flushes have the convex cap. After that every flush has more and more of the fruit have concave caps with a little teensy nipple on top.

For example:

(all of these are the same culture)

Flush #2 of subtropicales(Culture labled Semp1c to be extra confusing). Notice the tight curling of the caps. *I let this flush get too dry and stay too long


Same culture as above but in a tray I had in an unmodified monotub. This is flush #3. See how the curl on the cap isn't as tight and more of the population are losing the "convex" look



Flush #6 of the box from the first pic 5 months later.



Now compare my Subtropicales to the True hoogs Jake is referring to




Acutely umbonate with an extended papilla, which is fancy talk for adorable.



It’s my understanding that Hoogashengii var convexa is not a thing it’s just sub trip then “true hoog” is the Hoogashengii acutely umbonate (spine) that’s the one I’ve been after and I finally am getting from Alan



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    #25994840 - 05/15/19 06:38 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh yeah !

2 weeks and the end of winter (welcome to Canada !) eventually gave some pinning to those Hoogshagenii / Semperviva ! :smile:

So what do you think Jake ? Is it too early to decide between Subtropicalis Vs Psilocybe Hoogshagenii (Semperviva) var Convexa ?






Those are looking great! :rockon:

hoogshagenii var convexa and subtropicales are the same species. There has been a lot of confusion over these(and hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii AKA True Hoogs) due to how the taxonomy of mushrooms has evolved over the years mixed with human error.

In my experience with Subtropicales the first two flushes have the convex cap. After that every flush has more and more of the fruit have concave caps with a little teensy nipple on top.

For example:

(all of these are the same culture)

Flush #2 of subtropicales(Culture labled Semp1c to be extra confusing). Notice the tight curling of the caps. *I let this flush get too dry and stay too long


Same culture as above but in a tray I had in an unmodified monotub. This is flush #3. See how the curl on the cap isn't as tight and more of the population are losing the "convex" look



Flush #6 of the box from the first pic 5 months later.



Now compare my Subtropicales to the True hoogs Jake is referring to




Acutely umbonate with an extended papilla, which is fancy talk for adorable.




Well understood, thank you Mycorry !

Hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii AKA True Hoogs really are the real deal :smile:

But nevertheless, I can't wait for my fake Hoogshagenii from everything I read about it.


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    #25995138 - 05/15/19 08:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Nice! :rockon:

Most of the attempts that I have seen have some success with libs where using rye grass seed as spawn. Makes sense to me seeing their affinity for turf.

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    #25995146 - 05/15/19 09:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Gonna run a grass seed invitro I’ve done a few times before then I’m gonna try sum on sugar cane and as with everything else see if I can’t get a tray canopy in the Jartha. It will be a slow process but at least with these I know a working tek (albeit not super impressive yields in the invitro bags (q dry if I’m lucky) I do love the response I get from doing it tho lol. For a split second I get just a tiny taste of how David Blane must feel all day every day lol


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Well understood, thank you Mycorry !

Hoogshagenii var hoogshagenii AKA True Hoogs really are the real deal :smile:

But nevertheless, I can't wait for my fake Hoogshagenii from everything I read about it.





YES!

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    #25995264 - 05/15/19 10:28 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Gonna run a grass seed invitro I’ve done a few times before then I’m gonna try sum on sugar cane and as with everything else see if I can’t get a tray canopy in the Jartha. It will be a slow process but at least with these I know a working tek (albeit not super impressive yields in the invitro bags (q dry if I’m lucky) I do love the response I get from doing it tho lol. For a split second I get just a tiny taste of how David Blane must feel all day every day lol




I'm curious about this as well, my spores never germinated so I gotta start my libs over but my idea was agar to grains and then grains to a little tray full of growing grass since libs feed off of dying grass roots perhaps its beneficial to fruiting or perhaps its the microbes in the soil


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YES!

So far, my FAVORITE MUSHROOM is Subtropicales. You will not be dissapointed.:thumbup:




Can't wait !

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    #25995591 - 05/16/19 05:47 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Need to follow this thread guys for all info on libs (once I obtain some spores). They're supposed to be native here but I never found one.

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    #26003582 - 05/20/19 01:31 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Here's the beginning off the first flush, but they seem like dwarves.

I don't think it's a lack of FAE since my SGFC had a lot of holes.

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    #26004463 - 05/20/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Here's the beginning off the first flush, but they seem like dwarves.

I don't think it's a lack of FAE since my SGFC had a lot of holes.

I'll wait to see the second flush.










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    #26005698 - 05/21/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you man !

Can't wait to perfect my process for those one, and see the first pin of my Pans :wink:


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    #26005728 - 05/21/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Interesting update on the  Neoxpensis. All 6 pasteurized trays contaminated (all 3 recipes) however all 6 sterilized bags look healthy and almost ready to fruit


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    #26007710 - 05/22/19 04:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

So I’m running a few different case recipes for zaps (mostly Loam soil) I see a few recipes with worm castings in the case. What would the benefit of this be?


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I think the idea is that cordisporae grows out of forest dirt so maybe worm casting make sense for them.

Personally, I try to never make a nutritious casing for many reasons. The biggest being that these exotics grow so slowly that having any nutrition in the casing is just asking for mold problems.

But hey, try it out. That's the beauty of top fruiting half pint jars! You can have 10 tests in one small space, sharing the same growing conditions.


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    #26011424 - 05/24/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I think the idea is that cordisporae grows out of forest dirt so maybe worm casting make sense for them.

Personally, I try to never make a nutritious casing for many reasons. The biggest being that these exotics grow so slowly that having any nutrition in the casing is just asking for mold problems.

But hey, try it out. That's the beauty of top fruiting half pint jars! You can have 10 tests in one small space, sharing the same growing conditions.


My condolences on your neos :frown: They fought the good fight.



I can see that. Misting with the fulvic acid solution def seems to be keeping contams at bay I’m still very surprised my first zap tray is hold strong I def expected it to fail. I’ve put work castings in pan casing before (made no difference) but pans move really fast also


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    #26011629 - 05/24/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Sweet thread :snoopyes:

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    #26014555 - 05/26/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Here's the beginning off the first flush, but they seem like dwarves.

I don't think it's a lack of FAE since my SGFC had a lot of holes.

I'll wait to see the second flush.










They look great! :happyclaps: 

I don't think they are dwarf genetics, per se. For me, whenever I cultivate subtropicales in my SGFC they are short and stubby but with decent conformation, similar to the results you have here. When I put them in a monotub they stretch high looking for that oxygen.  My SGFC holds 90%+ RH for about 2" above the perlite, but higher than that and the air is dry. Almost all fruit in it turn out stubby. SGFC was meant to have PF cakes in it to help hold the moisture in, without them it can be a bit of a wash.

For example:
*these are both from the same culture*
Subtropicales from my SGFC

These are growing out of a half pint jar and stopped growing after about 2".

Subtropicales from my monotubs

These easily grow 4+ inches but also exibit much more "fuzzy feet" than the SGFC fruit.

I'd say try the same culture in a few different styles of FC to find the results you are looking for :thumbup:


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    #26015413 - 05/27/19 03:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

These look fantastic!!! I finally got sum subtrop on agar and should be receiving hoog acutely umbonate any day!! The pans have spoiled me a bit in how fast they move a lot of these exotic’s (except neoxpensis) are much slower. I feel like I’ve been working with zaps forever now and I still only have one tray in FC (my least likely to succeed also although I’m pleased with its ability to remain contam free! (Coming up on 4 weeks In FC)


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These look fantastic!!! I finally got sum subtrop on agar and should be receiving hoog acutely umbonate any day!! The pans have spoiled me a bit in how fast they move a lot of these exotic’s (except neoxpensis) are much slower. I feel like I’ve been working with zaps forever now and I still only have one tray in FC (my least likely to succeed also although I’m pleased with its ability to remain contam free! (Coming up on 4 weeks In FC)




I feel you on that

The only way I could pump the brakes on my excitement for zaps was to start other projects in the mean time. But now i'm constantly short on space, plates and jars :facepalm:


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    #26016139 - 05/27/19 12:04 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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They look great! :happyclaps: 

I don't think they are dwarf genetics, per se. For me, whenever I cultivate subtropicales in my SGFC they are short and stubby but with decent conformation, similar to the results you have here. When I put them in a monotub they stretch high looking for that oxygen.  My SGFC holds 90%+ RH for about 2" above the perlite, but higher than that and the air is dry. Almost all fruit in it turn out stubby. SGFC was meant to have PF cakes in it to help hold the moisture in, without them it can be a bit of a wash.

For example:
*these are both from the same culture*
Subtropicales from my SGFC

These are growing out of a half pint jar and stopped growing after about 2".

Subtropicales from my monotubs

These easily grow 4+ inches but also exibit much more "fuzzy feet" than the SGFC fruit.

I'd say try the same culture in a few different styles of FC to find the results you are looking for :thumbup:




Thank you Mycorry !

Here are some questions :
  • How to harvest them : Twist and pull Vs Cutting ?
  • Apart from the fact that they grow higher (so better yield) in monotubs, is there any quality difference ?
  • Do you see any improvements I can do to my SGFC ? (I'm yet to have the approval of a Martha/Greenhouse from my girlfriend :wink: )
  • I'm leaving out of the country for multiple weeks : I know it's a bad practice but how would you automate the misting process ? I'm hesitating between an ultrasonic mister with tubing or a MistKing system I could easily connect to my 2 SGFC and 2 monotubs.
  • How would you describe the difference between the subtropicales and other great species (Pan Cyan, Woodlovers, etc.) ? I mostly do introspective trip (alone in the dark with music), but I tried them (0.6 + 0.4g) for the first time yesterday in a sunny park and I had an epiphany to say the least. I never used LSD, but from what I read it would be a perfect mix between LSD, MDMA and mushroom (!)


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Aendir]
    #26017255 - 05/27/19 10:00 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Cased neoxpensis tonight. I will give it a few days before I place in FC. Very pleasant smell also similar to mexicana but also distinctly different.


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Aendir] * 1
    #26019086 - 05/28/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Thank you Mycorry !

Here are some questions :
  • How to harvest them : Twist and pull Vs Cutting ?
  • Apart from the fact that they grow higher (so better yield) in monotubs, is there any quality difference ?
  • Do you see any improvements I can do to my SGFC ? (I'm yet to have the approval of a Martha/Greenhouse from my girlfriend :wink: )
  • I'm leaving out of the country for multiple weeks : I know it's a bad practice but how would you automate the misting process ? I'm hesitating between an ultrasonic mister with tubing or a MistKing system I could easily connect to my 2 SGFC and 2 monotubs.
  • How would you describe the difference between the subtropicales and other great species (Pan Cyan, Woodlovers, etc.) ? I mostly do introspective trip (alone in the dark with music), but I tried them (0.6 + 0.4g) for the first time yesterday in a sunny park and I had an epiphany to say the least. I never used LSD, but from what I read it would be a perfect mix between LSD, MDMA and mushroom (!)


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-How to harvest them : Twist and pull Vs Cutting ?
I prefer pulling because of how many flushes these will produce. I tried cutting them early on but 2 flushes later and the stumps are rotting and attracting gnats. Pulling does damage the casing but you can patch it after the next dunk. I harvest when the cap is tightly curled, the feet of the stem are brown and the gills are starting to brown, like a few in your first pic. HOWEVER, I haven't tested harvesting timing enough to know an optimum time frame.

-Apart from the fact that they grow higher (so better yield) in monotubs, is there any quality difference ?
All I can say is that the fruit from the monotub are going to be bigger, therefore more fruit. The monotub fruit do tend to have fuzzy feet more but that doesn't really matter. I found that the monotub frutit were much easier to print.

-Do you see any improvements I can do to my SGFC ?
Try burying your trays like these

Maybe having them start their cycle closer to the perlite will give them more "headroom" of humidity to use. I've also tried stacking up the perlite on the edges of the SGFC which you can see in the pic. It helped a little.

-I'm leaving out of the country for multiple weeks : I know it's a bad practice but how would you automate the misting process ? I'm hesitating between an ultrasonic mister with tubing or a MistKing system I could easily connect to my 2 SGFC and 2 monotubs.
Without a GH you are out of luck. Unless you are in a very humid area and have a big monotub already dialed in. A monotub with a fogger on a cycle could work for a short while but its gonna be a bit of a crapshoot.

-How would you describe the difference between the subtropicales and other great species (Pan Cyan, Woodlovers, etc.) ? I mostly do introspective trip (alone in the dark with music), but I tried them (0.6 + 0.4g) for the first time yesterday in a sunny park and I had an epiphany to say the least. I never used LSD, but from what I read it would be a perfect mix between LSD, MDMA and mushroom (!)
You and I sound the same with the exception that I don't listen to music.  What I can say is that, so far, these are my favorite species.:biggrin:

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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #26019299 - 05/28/19 08:17 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hey shroomerites! Since this is the exotic thread id figured I'd ask you guys my question, especially with your experience, so ive been attempting some mexicana (jalisco) and I can get pins in my SGFC but they seem to all abort, do the jalisco need higher humidty than normal or does spraying directly mess with them at all? Hope it's cool that I ask this question here


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26019371 - 05/28/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I have found mexicana like it a lil more damp than cubes. However some genetics prefer to only kick stones but usually if u get the FC right u will get at least some fruits


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26019444 - 05/28/19 09:20 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Psilocybe neoxpensis var culdera
I’m so excited about this species. It’s a lil picky but once u dial in the sub it fucking moves!
I cased last night gonna give it a week with the case on before I place in FC (just to be safe) my next tray I’ll see how they do going in 12 hrs later like the pans. They move damn near as fast so it might be ok.

Also got my sugar cane today gonna make a few variations of the sub recipe and inoculate with zaps caers and lib caps. I’ll post my recipes and progress in this thread in real time then will write up an official tek once I’ve worked with em a few months and I learn more about their ideal conditions.


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    #26019454 - 05/28/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Haha the only thing that comes up when you Google "neoxpensis" is this thread.

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    #26019456 - 05/28/19 09:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Lol
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    #26019459 - 05/28/19 09:28 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey shroomerites! Since this is the exotic thread id figured I'd ask you guys my question, especially with your experience, so ive been attempting some mexicana (jalisco) and I can get pins in my SGFC but they seem to all abort, do the jalisco need higher humidty than normal or does spraying directly mess with them at all? Hope it's cool that I ask this question here




Iirc mexicanas will abort if sprayed directly, they like wet feet and dry heads , I think most people use a syringe or something alike to put water to the casing without getting the pins wet directly


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26019460 - 05/28/19 09:28 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Alan did catalog it into Mushroom observer I would have to find the number unless you know how to look stuff up on that site I haven’t learned how to navigate it yet so I only view the things Alan send me links to


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    #26019461 - 05/28/19 09:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey shroomerites! Since this is the exotic thread id figured I'd ask you guys my question, especially with your experience, so ive been attempting some mexicana (jalisco) and I can get pins in my SGFC but they seem to all abort, do the jalisco need higher humidty than normal or does spraying directly mess with them at all? Hope it's cool that I ask this question here




Iirc mexicanas will abort if sprayed directly, they like wet feet and dry heads , I think most people use a syringe or something alike to put water to the casing without getting the pins wet directly



That’s pans Mexicana are actually quite resilient to being sprayed I still don’t recommend doing it but it won’t fry them immediately like it will pans. I just do my best to put the nozzle below the caps and spray around but if some get wet it’s no big deal


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    #26019607 - 05/28/19 11:14 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Sugar cane ho! Lol


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    #26019653 - 05/28/19 11:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hell yeah! Must've just been my humidity or something, i love your grows its actually what really kick started me into exotics, gonna put some Psilocybe medullosa onto agar when I get my petri dishes


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26019843 - 05/29/19 04:53 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Haha the only thing that comes up when you Google "neoxpensis" is this thread.




It's actually "neoxalapensis"

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    #26020018 - 05/29/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

^^ he’s right. Lol if I type neo it autofills neoxpensis. I just assumed that it was recalling from other times I’d spelled it out but there is def a l in there


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    #26020235 - 05/29/19 10:06 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Hell yeah! Must've just been my humidity or something, i love your grows its actually what really kick started me into exotics, gonna put some Psilocybe medullosa onto agar when I get my petri dishes



Thanks man that’s awesome! That’s my goal is to get more ppl growing exotic’s. From a medical standpoint I am learning that different species very greatly in their applied medicinal use. I do not believe cubes to be super affective at helping with depression. In all my experience the results were minimal at best however mexicana and pans deliver extraordinary results that I was not expecting. I believe cubes are most useful in treating addiction via macro doses. Of course it’s hard to say with any certainty simply because of the limited amount of feedback I’m getting but if more people are successful then I can get a better picture of their  effects & uses


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    #26020355 - 05/29/19 11:36 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

That's actually a really good reason to get into exotics! I like the idea of spreading the spores so that more can be learned about them

So far no luck with pans but ive atleast got mexicana to pin! Im excited for the tamps, subs, serbica, ovoid and medullosa im gonna put onto agar, gotta do some more libs to


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26020777 - 05/29/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

So for the zaps I made up several bags of sterile and pasteurized sugar cane used the water from sugar can to hydrate my straw which I cut into a few bags. I have a big bag of colonized straw I will use to inoculate a few cane bags (I’m also going to try and case and fruit some of the colonized straw as is) then I have a large bag of colonized grain  I will use to inoculate the rest. My other two zap bags with my prototype recipe look fantastic. I’m going to tray them tonight also and case shortly after.

As for the neo’s it is flying up thru the casing so I have placed into FC. In the future I will place into FC after only 12hrs like I do pans. If these fruit well they will be a fantastic new strain for people to grow they are not very difficult (if you follow directions lol) and they move extremely fast!


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    #26021391 - 05/29/19 07:07 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Where did you source the bagasse?

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    #26021409 - 05/29/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Rych sent it to me he does not have the it listed yet but it will be soon.


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    #26021444 - 05/29/19 07:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I've honestly never heard of half of these species until this thread started up, how do these prints end up in circulation? Like did somebody go to Mexico and find some neo's and take a bunch of prints?


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    #26021448 - 05/29/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Yes Alan sends me wild exotic prints that he finds


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    #26021466 - 05/29/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

That's amazing! I love hearing about the connections people make through the shroomery I really wanna pick Alan's brain for awhile, he does some badass things with mushrooms that I think really help expand the scientific legitimacy of what we all do here

I can't wait for those neo's and zaps to fruit though! Its always fun watching the progress of grows of new species, did you ever hear about the psilocybe papaguanas I think theyre called? I think they were first found in 2015 or something


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    #26021477 - 05/29/19 07:52 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

This?


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    #26021483 - 05/29/19 07:54 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Haha oh shit yes exactly those! Those are beautiful looking, those azurscens, and weilli are my favorite looking Psilocybes


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    #26021491 - 05/29/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

These? Lol

^ I have them on agar they just Germinated yesterday it will probably be at least a week until they are ready to inoculate jars. I might do sum LC also. But they too will be going on the sugarcane.  And I planted a few Azzy patches this spring I might get a couple prints back in the fall if I’m lucky


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    #26021507 - 05/29/19 08:07 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Haha youve got it going on man, ive got some serbica, tamps, medullosa, subs, libs, and ovoids Im prepping some agar for, gonna expirement with indoor fruiting but I definitely gotta start studying up some more on there needed conditions


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    #26021855 - 05/29/19 11:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Right on man that’s a nice collection you got there, I don’t have serbsot or medellosa l, I def be down to trade some exotics for prints if u get em. U got a game plan for em? I’ll be inoculating my lib cap bags in about a week. I’ve had ovoids a while now haven’t done anything with em yet , I got subtrop on agar and dung patches (I assume ur referring to subtrop)


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    #26021898 - 05/30/19 12:05 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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That's amazing! I love hearing about the connections people make through the shroomery I really wanna pick Alan's brain for awhile, he does some badass things with mushrooms that I think really help expand the scientific legitimacy of what we all do here

I can't wait for those neo's and zaps to fruit though! Its always fun watching the progress of grows of new species, did you ever hear about the psilocybe papaguanas I think theyre called? I think they were first found in 2015 or something




Psilocybe papuana was first discovered in Papua New Guinea by E. Horak in 1971 and published as a new species in 1978.

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    #26021902 - 05/30/19 12:07 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I actually know nothing about them they are farther down my list I haven’t even started research on em yet. Are they potent? Any successful grows?substrate?


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    #26021907 - 05/30/19 12:11 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

It is one of the more beautiful species in the genus, I just edited my above post with a link, check it out:cool:


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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: inski]
    #26021920 - 05/30/19 12:18 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Oh wow very nice! I like your sub recipe. What would you say is it’s closest relative? Once I’m done with zaps (&caers)  and neo’s I’ll do these (paps)  and muliercula.


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    #26022372 - 05/30/19 07:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Haha oh no by subs I meant Subaeruginosa sorry, I wish it was sub tropicalis though! I don't have much of plan besides making some outdoor beds and attempting some indoor grows (gonna try my standard agar to oats to coir but add wood for woodlovers) except for libs I'm thinking im gonna do agar to oats to a little tray of soil,compost, manure and spawn some little trays with grass growing in them since I've read they feed off of dead grass roots


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    #26022460 - 05/30/19 08:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I got subtropicalis on agar I’ll have some prints before to long should be getting true hoog soo. As well.

About to make up (colonized) a bunch of different zap recipe trays!! I’ll post pics when done


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    #26022574 - 05/30/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck yeah! In excited to see some zaps and true hoogs, I wanna find a weilli culture or something (not sure how a print would work since its a sack fungus)


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    #26022579 - 05/30/19 09:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I have one, it’s on agar now that should run well on the sugarcane I don’t expect much issue with them and I’ll have prints


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    #26022853 - 05/30/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Was reading through the last 2 pages of the thread Jake and did I understand correctly that you will try to grow liberty caps?

That would be awesome, one of the very few actives that grows wild here in Sweden, so would make me happy!


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    #26022862 - 05/30/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Yessir, I’ve actually done those before (invitro) nothing big mind you but now I think I have the means to do much better


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    #26022871 - 05/30/19 12:17 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I would love to see pictures of the invitro grow! :takingnotes:
Ohh I really hope that you get success with the libs man!
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    #26022887 - 05/30/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Unfortunately all my pic’s of any off my work before my disappearance and re-entry are long since gone. I had a diff mo back then so all pic stayed on a hard drive only lol but I already got healthy germ on several dishes so I’ll have a “as I go” on them in this thread.  I will sterilize
20% chopped straw
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Inoculate with LC (will also colonize some jars of straight grass seed for grain inoculation attems (I would remove my grass seed from bulk and instead cut my spawn in at  15% (I will play with these ratio’s as I go as well)

Case with cactus soil, coco hummus, and some sandy soil
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    #26022908 - 05/30/19 12:44 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

My progress this week:

*I use porso millet/white milo as spawn using Fooman's WBS prep.
*Agar is 20g Agar, 15g MEA, .4g yeast extract, .4g soy peptone, 1000ml water
*All cultures were consolidated at 80F and fruited at 73F

-------------------Zapotecorum:---------------------
Reference post for the origins of my cultures
I got that aggressive Zapo1AC BC1 A Culture on several substrate tests



I am trying out several slightly different types of substrate. I'm currently trying to make a sort of Sugarcane Bagasse facsimile at different ratios of constituents. Then I have taken that and paired it 1:1 with a manureless fir compost(the darker jars). To add to that, some jars have a special addative for additional testing(jars designated with an A).  Many of the doubles have slightly higher ph(additional theory about zaps i'm testing).
I even put the slower Zapo1BD PC(pin clone) culture on a few jars.

No sand in these tests even though I have had success with it in the past.

My original Zapo1AC Jar that I set to fruit in my SGFC inDecember put out another two clusters. These are getting much bigger than the last. I've been watering their feet with a filling syringe and keep the RH high. At the first sign of abortion I will be turning these clusters into clones(so that would be Zapo1AC BC(big cluster)3 A,B,C etc...)

My monotub Zapo1AC is also pinning but these aren't gonna last. I'm cloning them today. So these clones would have the same nomenclature as the Big Cluster labeling from above.


Lastly, My isolated Zapo1A backup sprouted several dish pins after 6 months. I will be cloning several of these but I already have Zapo1A DC(dish clone)1,2,3




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Weilii-GA ~Georgia
Weilii-AL ~Alabama
Weilii-BB ~spores from a friend's cultivated weilii

My Weilii-GA compost:sand 1:1 test finally fruited. As expected, the fruit reach maturity at a low stature thanks to the short humidity zone in my SGFC. I'm currently working on remedying the situation through modification of the SGFC. I took 12 clones from this cluster, so that would be Weilii-GA BC1 A,B,C etc...


I also got a few side pins in my Weilii-GA monotub. The monotub had 2" of peat/sand(no verm) casing. There was a lot of growth out of the center but I dropped the box a couple weeks ago destroying all the progress through the casing. I'm very suprised I still got side pins out of it. Also, the monotub test had zero sand in the substrate.

I restarted my Weilii-AL culture. The original was very weak, slow and not very contam resistant. My new Weilii-AL2 so far is a MUCH better culture. Recently shaken jar~

Weilii-BB is looking strong! These are cultivated spores so I have very high hopes for this culture.



-------------------Papuana-------------------
This is my first clean transfer from spores, what I like to call a Primary Poly Culture. I am going to break this culture down in the same way I did with my Zapotecorum culture.

-Cultures designated A and B have identical texture and growth distance
-Culture D is very thin and weak looking. Much like my Zapo1BD culture
-Culture C is the thickest of the four and looks to be a tiny bit ropey(thready?) in comparison.

I will be combining them in the same way I did my Zapotecorum, by pairing the common cultures(A&B) with the uncommon cultures(C&D). So that means A withC as well as Bwith D to make:
Papuana1AC
Papuana1BD

Just for fun, I threw all the transfer scraps from that plate into this trash jar I had. It's a trash jar because it's filled too high and soaked too long(see all the broken grain). Ignore the A designation on the label~


As for substrate, I will be trying them on the same substrate as my original weilii and zapo cultures. (Compost:straw):sand, Compost:sand, (manure blend:Straw):Sand. If my Sugarcane Bagasse facsimile works out for my zaps ill try it on these too.

-------------------Subtropicales-------------------
AKA Hoogshagenii var convexa AKA Semperviva

I have two separate sets of Subtropicales genetics. Sorry in advance for their inaccurate culture names. I will be changing them in my records this week:
Semp1
Semp3

Semp2 turned out to be a pan~

Semp3 reached full maturity. I left these in a bit too long and let them get a little dry(see the blue ring on the cap). I am still working on clone selection of this culture but it seems a bit pointless. This culture grows in dense clusters already! Still, If I ever see a 10+ cluster i'll be sure to clone it.


I harvested Flush #6 of the Semp1 monotub and have it dunked right now.


I've got em both ready for even bigger tubs!



-------------------PanCam Goliath-------------------

I have one set of PanCam Goliath genetics:
PanCamG

A while back I had a flush of PanCamG that had two fruit fused at the tip of the crown. The stronger of the two fruit uprooted the other smaller fruit. However, the smaller fruit survived but neither sporeulated. I managed to clone the spot in between the two fruit and isolate it on agar. Fruiting the culture was interesting to say the least. Almost every fruit was mutated "Cronenberg" style. Several of the fruit had double or even triple conjoined neighbors. I tried to gather spores from the triple headed ones but no luck. Here's the last time I fruited it:

Triple headed!


I've got a box of the same culture consolidating right now, so I should see fruit within a week or two.
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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #26022916 - 05/30/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Absolutely fantastic work mycory!!!!
Love how neat and organized your work is!!!
Let me know me know how ur zap recipes do I have 4 different ones now we can compare notes👍


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    #26023045 - 05/30/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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-How to harvest them : Twist and pull Vs Cutting ?
I prefer pulling because of how many flushes these will produce. I tried cutting them early on but 2 flushes later and the stumps are rotting and attracting gnats. Pulling does damage the casing but you can patch it after the next dunk. I harvest when the cap is tightly curled, the feet of the stem are brown and the gills are starting to brown, like a few in your first pic. HOWEVER, I haven't tested harvesting timing enough to know an optimum time frame.

-Apart from the fact that they grow higher (so better yield) in monotubs, is there any quality difference ?
All I can say is that the fruit from the monotub are going to be bigger, therefore more fruit. The monotub fruit do tend to have fuzzy feet more but that doesn't really matter. I found that the monotub frutit were much easier to print.

-Do you see any improvements I can do to my SGFC ?
Try burying your trays like these

Maybe having them start their cycle closer to the perlite will give them more "headroom" of humidity to use. I've also tried stacking up the perlite on the edges of the SGFC which you can see in the pic. It helped a little.

-I'm leaving out of the country for multiple weeks : I know it's a bad practice but how would you automate the misting process ? I'm hesitating between an ultrasonic mister with tubing or a MistKing system I could easily connect to my 2 SGFC and 2 monotubs.
Without a GH you are out of luck. Unless you are in a very humid area and have a big monotub already dialed in. A monotub with a fogger on a cycle could work for a short while but its gonna be a bit of a crapshoot.

-How would you describe the difference between the subtropicales and other great species (Pan Cyan, Woodlovers, etc.) ? I mostly do introspective trip (alone in the dark with music), but I tried them (0.6 + 0.4g) for the first time yesterday in a sunny park and I had an epiphany to say the least. I never used LSD, but from what I read it would be a perfect mix between LSD, MDMA and mushroom (!)
You and I sound the same with the exception that I don't listen to music.  What I can say is that, so far, these are my favorite species.:biggrin:

:cheers:



Great thank you Mycorry ! And congratz for your work in progress, it's inspiring !

I'll try :
  • Twist and pull
  • A grow on a monotub
  • Your perlite tricks


I'm in a very dry environment (I still need to keep an heater (baseboard) on to keep a 20-24°C ambient)

So without a GH, an ultrasonic is the best option ? I'm already dreading the set-up to connect everything : /
The fine particles of a mistking cant be a good solution ? The set-up would be so much easier

P.S : I noticed you were looking for a Jalisco print. I have some if you want ! (I need to test them before, they my firsts)


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    #26023675 - 05/30/19 07:10 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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So without a GH, an ultrasonic is the best option ? I'm already dreading the set-up to connect everything : /
The fine particles of a mistking cant be a good solution ? The set-up would be so much easier

P.S : I noticed you were looking for a Jalisco print. I have some if you want ! (I need to test them before, they my firsts)




Thank you :happyheart:

Ultrasonic foggers and their ultra-fine particles are great for cultivation but have to be dialed in like everything else. Setting up a fogger without dialing in your setup then leaving the house for weeks is a recipe for disaster.  Your best bet for your vacation is to forget about the cakes you have fruiting now and instead inoculate some grain with your best subtropicales culture to be ready when you return. Subtrops are too easy to cultivate to be making a big complicated setup for. They are as automated as it gets in a shoebox(clear lid). :thumbup:

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Re: Official Misc EXOTIC Thread [Re: Aendir]
    #26023692 - 05/30/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Ok So I’ve had a couple people now ask me about my cold-weather 10 so as it is now I have a portable AC unit set on a timer to kick on the opposite of my air handling system fan which draws air in through a HEPA like my other designs.  With this alone I can achieve a temperature of 62-66F,  which should be OK for zaps, However I have also designed a tray that is placed in front of the HEPA filter on the inside of the tent that I can load with dry ice to get the temp down further. However I still feel it’s sub optimal. So tomorrow I’m going to the Salvation Army to see if I can get a cheap refrigerator that would be easily modified. Then I could mount my dry ice tray inside the insulated refrigerator so the air is cold after it passes through the hepa for its fae. If I can get one with the freezer on top I can use that to house the humidifier Which would blow straight down into my trays. As well as the ice tray and hepa intake duct


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    #26024113 - 05/31/19 12:26 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldn’t Dry ice mess with you CO2 levels? or isn’t that a problem with Cold Weather Species?


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    #26024118 - 05/31/19 12:31 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I doubt it would be enough to matter with the amount of fae the fan pulls in thru the hepa but if it is a problem I can always hook up my o2  generator to compensate.


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    #26024205 - 05/31/19 02:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys.  Just stepping in to learn something.  I’ll be starting up my pans/woodlovers/stoneproducer grows again in the fall but for now I’m going to do some peeping 😝 Love all you smart, knowledge sharing people!

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    #26024299 - 05/31/19 05:34 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck dialing in that cool tent Jake. I was hoping to find a small used window air conditioner. I think they'd be more likely to have a temperature probe.


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    #26027333 - 06/01/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Can’t stop won’t stop!


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    #26027347 - 06/01/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Nice! I hope you get them cold weather species like ps. Semilanceata to fruit in there!

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    #26028021 - 06/01/19 11:08 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I recently germinated spores from an undescribed species I collected in NSW. This plate was streaked on 30/5. Germination was evident only in one area at the outer edge of the plate and after one week the plate had fully colonized. I suspected mold given the growth rate but decided to keep this plate for observation. After colonizing the plate thick aerial floccose growth became apparent followed by the formation of hyphal knots. I had started 3 other plates from separate prints of what I had assumed is the same species and the growth has been very slow an whispy by comparison.


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    #26028088 - 06/02/19 12:13 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Very interesting bob! Is it active?

So I spent my entire day re-designing getting and making my new cold weather tent, may I present the
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    #26028093 - 06/02/19 12:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Very interesting bob! Is it active?

So I spent my entire day re-designing getting and making my new cold weather tent, may I present the
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    #26029404 - 06/02/19 08:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks bro!

So I got two zap trays in there currently. This is me running it on its lowest setting so dropping to the 40’s for azzy’s will be no problem!


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    #26029408 - 06/02/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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dropping to the 40’s for azzy’s will be no problem!





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Here the semi’s gonna transfer out and put to grass seed tomorrow (also gonna run a LC)


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    #26029618 - 06/03/19 12:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I wish you good luck with those libs! Your new setup looks very promising. That could be the trick to grow them indoors. That would be a breakthrough!

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    #26030770 - 06/03/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man got her dialed in perfectly for zaps now! I’m stoked!


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Great work Jakeoncid

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    #26034816 - 06/05/19 04:22 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26034853 - 06/05/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you sir! I’m hoping these trays will do something but most of my money is on the sugar cane trays incubating now


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    #26034864 - 06/05/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

If you want my advice I would say to consolidate the hell outta em

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Oh yeah these trays here been incubating damn near 3 months


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Thank you sir! I’m hoping these trays will do something but most of my money is on the sugar cane trays incubating now




So I got a few trays that were bulked about 2 months ago they are fully colonized with thin wispy growth and now it’s starting to softly thicken in spots. My plan was to treat them like chessnutt’s and give em 3 months before FC thoughts? (P.s sugar cane trays look great I’ll post pics when I get down there)


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    #26042991 - 06/10/19 12:43 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Zap


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    #26043101 - 06/10/19 03:53 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Jake.

I wanted to ask you , was your sugar cane dry,fresh,chopped,whole cane? did it go through any procedure? squeezed out of it liquids?

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    #26044402 - 06/10/19 05:37 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

It was dried and shredded I further shredded down like I would straw


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    #26044656 - 06/10/19 08:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)




psilocybe papuana
Psilocybe caerulescens var welii Alabama
Pan cyan senguio
Psilocybe mexicana var Michoacán
psilocybe muliercula


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    #26046697 - 06/11/19 07:43 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

kinda lost track of this thread but I've got a batch of semperviva (hoog?) cakes done and wondering if anybody has advice for fruiting them. Think I'm just gonna try baggie fruiting them, with casing of course

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    #26046821 - 06/11/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Nice cultures Jakeoncid:thumbup:

This is the progress with the new species I found in NSW in section zapotecorum. T1

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That myc looks brilliant, Bob!

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    #26048147 - 06/12/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Indeed very cool! I got lots of it at every stage dish-FC (no fruits yet) but I plan to nail these lil bastards lol my zap cultures all have a tanish tiny I see yours does not


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    #26049296 - 06/13/19 01:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks adas and jakeoncid hope your zaps cooperate and fruit soon. I transferred sections which had hyphal knots forming. Hopefully a fast fruiting strain but if not I'm used to it.

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Anyone  trying any misc exotics on coffee? Or coffee based subs?

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Anyone  trying any misc exotics on coffee? Or coffee based subs?



I mixed coffee in with the pan-cakes I have going on.

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Stones growing in coffee would probably taste great.

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    #26060216 - 06/18/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Jake, I can't get caerulescens to germ. Two failed attempts now from two different sources.

There's nothing special about them, right? Just bad luck I am thinking.

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Well I put everything on my Gordon Ramsey dishes & I’ve gotten germ from everything I’ve put on it so far  has done really well.


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Haha I'm gonna go look that recipe up again :awesomenod:

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Oooooo What's this? :wowz:

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It’s a rare semi-like mushroom from Spain


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Lmao when I google it the only thing that comes up is this thread on the shroomery, not even a wiki page for the psilocybe gallaiciea


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Weird, perhaps it was just because I was on my phone hahaha, either way that's a badass find!


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No it’s because whoever wrote on the bag in the pic (I received 3rd person) spelled it incorrectly


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