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OfflineJAXlab
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3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth?
    #25869979 - 03/12/19 05:05 PM (8 days, 12 hours ago)

Hey people i have a a few 3/4 pint jars (PF TEK) where one of them was growing considerably faster than the rest although now it has got to being 95% colonised and stalled. It has been like this a week now although i think the patch that has not colonised may be contaminated (probably bacteria). there are no odd colors or signs of mold. My question is should i birth the cake anyway or wait it out? (or an alternative solution?) i attached a picture. All help is appreciated.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25870076 - 03/12/19 05:43 PM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

It looks like a patch of bacteria. You can try cut off the contaminated area and fruit it.

It will probably take longer to fruit and is more likely to get contaminated.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Mike O.Rrhizal]
    #25870144 - 03/12/19 06:27 PM (8 days, 10 hours ago)

Hi mike thanks for the reply. is there some precaution i can take such as dunking in a mild water and soap solution before i place it in my FC? Also would an option be if i wait long enough the myc overpower the bacteria or is this unheard of?


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25870478 - 03/12/19 09:30 PM (8 days, 7 hours ago)

I think the overwhelming mycelium is going to play a strong role in overtaking the contam.


What I would suggest, is since the thing needs air, is to have some pasteurized material ready, and just cut out the chunk with bacteria, mix, contain, and wait.



Worst case scenario you learned.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Whitelighter]
    #25870662 - 03/12/19 11:35 PM (8 days, 5 hours ago)

When i did cakes i wud jst wash that uncolonized part off with tepid clean water jst like all the others and go about my business.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Mike O.Rrhizal]
    #25871938 - 03/13/19 05:03 PM (7 days, 12 hours ago)

How do you know its bacteria? I see nothing on it, not even moisture? Everytime I see someone on here have trouble with colonizing people automatically say its bacteria 🤣. Even if there wasn't a picture someone would say it's a bacteria problem lol.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Shenmue]
    #25872031 - 03/13/19 05:48 PM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

There is only so many reasons for a section to not colonize. Bacterial or compacted. You wont necessarily see bacterial. It's the best guess. I deal with it the same way though. Jst charge on thru.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Timboslice]
    #25872070 - 03/13/19 06:10 PM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

It could be co2.  He could flip the jar to push the CO2 out a little. It worked for me with I ran into this problem...


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Shenmue]
    #25872072 - 03/13/19 06:12 PM (7 days, 11 hours ago)

Huh, interesting.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Timboslice]
    #25872194 - 03/13/19 07:13 PM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

It could be too wet.  I had that happen sometimes on my cakes.  A last little bit at the bottom just wouldn't colonize.

Spawn it, knock the piece off and wash down to colonized cake and fruit it.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: RichardRahl]
    #25872314 - 03/13/19 08:11 PM (7 days, 9 hours ago)

Too wet, or too much CO2 sounds like a good bet. Although, eventually, if it *IS bacteria, you would see some more visible signs.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Whitelighter]
    #25872431 - 03/13/19 08:55 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

Top fruit it and I highly doubt it's a CO2 issue.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Tormato]
    #25874137 - 03/14/19 05:31 PM (6 days, 11 hours ago)

Thanks for all your replies. i cant see it being CO2 either, the jar has been flipped the majority of its life and the tape was taken off at 50% visible colonisation. i did wonder about if it was too wet as all my jars have alot of condensation on the glass although they are all still colonising at a respectable rate. I have gone ahead and birthed it anyway and the whole jar smelt nice apart from that small area which smelt offensive but sweet with a hint of feet lol so i am now inclined it was bacteria (i forgetfully made up a couple of jars without wiping down with alcohol; this was probably one of them.) washed it with tap water, scraped as much away as i dare and now its currently in its dunk phase. i plan to quarantine and fruit it as a cake and assess its growth compared to my others.  This is my first ever batch so thanks for all your input its much appreciated. i will keep everyone updated if people are interested.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25874298 - 03/14/19 07:00 PM (6 days, 10 hours ago)

It's not co2 and stop flipping your jars, only risks wetting filter leading to failure. If you have a dry verm layer, then don't add tape and stuff over the holes.

The farther above 1/2 pt you get, the more fickle they become. 3/4 is about the limit I'd attempt ime.

Most probably bacteria. Leave it until it totally stalls, finishes, or pins. Then top fruit what you got.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25875441 - 03/15/19 11:31 AM (5 days, 17 hours ago)

I see what you mean about 1/2 pints over 3/4 as i have some 1/2s colonising aswell and they have established much quicker so i think i will stick to them in future. your right my jar did have a wet verm filter, the myc had started growing on it (washed it off anyway though). if you get CO2 build up to the point where the myc stalls how do you tackle it without flipping? peace


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25875471 - 03/15/19 11:49 AM (5 days, 17 hours ago)

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if you get CO2 build up to the point where the myc stalls how do you tackle it without flipping? peace



I've never seen this happen with cubes...EVER!



If you have good gas exchange the "CO2" will clear out as the cakes shrink in the jars. Like I said before and what LTLurker reiterated...

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Top fruit it and I highly doubt it's a CO2 issue.



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LtLurker said:
It's not co2 and stop flipping your jars




definitely bacteria


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: Tormato]
    #25875501 - 03/15/19 12:05 PM (5 days, 17 hours ago)

I have had a jar stall during this grow and after looking around the forum i found people with the same issue. they recommended flipping the jar and it did work the myc started again (i can see the dangerous of it wetting the filter though) there is a lot of conflicting info on here. although i cant deny that it did restart a jar that i was close to throwing away.

how do you get good gas exchange in a jar? is four holes in the lid sufficient?


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25875528 - 03/15/19 12:17 PM (5 days, 17 hours ago)

4 holes, not overpacking your dry verm layer, not adding extra filters/tape. Doing that should be sufficient.

When you search you want to sort results by most recent so you're getting current info, there's a lot of old practices still in the older results.
Also Verify who is giving the advice. Someone with a bunch of good ratings that's been around a bit(and posted good grows) is more likely to be correct than a new user. TC's are usually correct when they chime in.

I kinda doubt the flipping is what caused the jar to grow. I think it's more likely a fluke or mistake in calling it stalled.


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: LtLurker]
    #25875548 - 03/15/19 12:27 PM (5 days, 16 hours ago)

thats great advice thanks. i never considered that there could be outdated practices on here, this site is predates most stuff on the internet now lol. sorry for my ignorance but what is a TC?


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Re: 3/4 Pint Jar 95% Colonised. Should I Birth? [Re: JAXlab]
    #25875551 - 03/15/19 12:29 PM (5 days, 16 hours ago)

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thats great advice thanks. i never considered that there could be outdated practices on here, this site is predates most stuff on the internet now lol. sorry for my ignorance but what is a TC?




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