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Bumholio
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Are plants conscious?
#25861547 - 03/08/19 05:28 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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I should have maybe researched before posting, I guess yes if you look at the definition of conscious yes they are, but like
Anyone know any cool plants that, idk formed relationships with specific animal to pollinate or carry seeds?, Thats maybe is like just millions of years evolution though. Are there any that adjust daily or hourly?
Like that fern that closes when touched, doesn't have any feeling towards being touched or does it just do because it's what it does
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Bumholio]
#25861550 - 03/08/19 05:30 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Anything that breathes and eats has some level of conscious.. how u don't know this ? I don't know
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Bumholio]
#25861606 - 03/08/19 05:50 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Bumholio said: Anyone know any cool plants that, idk formed relationships with specific animal to pollinate or carry seeds?, Thats maybe is like just millions of years evolution though. Are there any that adjust daily or hourly?
There's a bunch, but the fig wasps have always fascinated me.
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Relationship between South African fig trees (Ficuses) and the fig wasps Fig trees play a vital role in tropical for naturescapes and subtropical gardens like Durban because of their year round fruits, that feed bats and frugivorous birds. Birds and bats play a role in seed dispersal; however, the figs have to be pollinated by the fig wasps first.
Fig trees and fig wasps have a symbiotic relationship known as obligate mutualism - meaning neither lives without the other. The tree relies on the wasp for pollen dispersal and pollination, while the wasp can only reproduce in the florets of a fig fruit.
There are 750 ficus species world-wide and generally each ficus has a species of fig wasp that are specialists in that specifics own pollination , preventing ficus hybridization. The relationship is not strictly one-to-one (one wasp for one ficus) as there are certain fig wasps that do not play a role in pollination. There are only 300 known fig wasps.
http://www.lifegreengroup.co.za/posts/5-famous-symbiotic-relationships-flora-fauna/
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: 1234go]
#25861635 - 03/08/19 06:00 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Thats cool, wonder does the fig tree, though go hey wasps and the wasps are like sup yo.
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Edited by Bumholio (03/09/19 12:36 AM)
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Bumholio] 1
#25861642 - 03/08/19 06:09 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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theyre conscious and see ghosts
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Bumholio]
#25861816 - 03/08/19 08:18 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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I would say that plants have a level of spiritual awareness but i wouldnt say they are "conscious". Animals have consciousness, plants are more tapped into the Universal Consciousess and dont really have their "own" consciousness if that makes sense.
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Sure they do, they know they’re alive. I don’t think we give animals and plants enough credit for their awareness and intelligence, they’re just running a different program.
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Amanita86] 1
#25861845 - 03/08/19 08:27 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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plants are conscious. the roots are the brain. they communicate with each other through chemical means. the same as they communicate with insects.
the chemical language is a memetic generational evolutionary biological culture. the Mimosa genus is a great example.
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Salomon]
#25861849 - 03/08/19 08:29 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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they also hear stuff
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Salomon]
#25861878 - 03/08/19 08:40 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Salomon said: plants are conscious. the roots are the brain. they communicate with each other through chemical means. the same as they communicate with insects.
the chemical language is a memetic generational evolutionary biological culture. the Mimosa genus is a great example.
I'd have to object that the 'volatile chemicals' releasedby plants don't come close to indicating any form of consiousness by human definition
Volatile chemicals released by organisms are not conciously made decisions. They're more like evolutionarily developed chemical reactions
An unconscious mammals body will still release volatiles, pheromones etc which can be perceived by a consious mammal.
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: trees]
#25861893 - 03/08/19 08:49 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Im not saying the plants are definitelly not consious, ive wondered this for a long time, just that the chemical volatiles can't indicate consiousness.
Im open to the idea that perhaps plant life does experience something in another dimention
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: trees]
#25861901 - 03/08/19 08:52 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Consciousness is a bullshit term.
There are experiences, that's it.
Do plants have experiences? Is there "something it is like to be a plant". I doubt it. If they do, they're almost certainly negligible.
People who try to argue that we have something in common with plants because plants use chemical messengers to affect events don't have a damn clue about basic biology. Everything does that. Bacteria share little pieces of DNA with each other and it promotes antibiotic resistance or other characteristics. Are they conscious? Fuck no.
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Bumholio]
#25861904 - 03/08/19 08:52 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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define consciousness. Do plants have a representative model of themselves and the environment?
Im not 100% sure anyone beyond myself has awareness. I just walk around with the assumption that people do
check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
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morrowasted said: Consciousness is a bullshit term.
There are experiences, that's it.
Do plants have experiences? Is there "something it is like to be a plant". I doubt it. If they do, they're almost certainly negligible.
People who try to argue that we have something in common with plants because plants use chemical messengers to affect events don't have a damn clue about basic biology. Everything does that. Bacteria share little plasmids with each other and it promotes antibiotic resistance. Are they conscious? Fuck no.
Alright, but still, who are you to say that you know anything about the universe at all? I dont even known if reality is real and if youre all just NPC's in my video game movie reality.
To say "fuck no, bacteria don't experience shit" is as good as me saying "my computer desk is concious"
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yes they do are conscious
a phenotype of dragons blood cannabis will bleed red sap when taking cuts
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phenotype hunt
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phenotypic variations are so dope to think about and study in real time among humans and animals n plants
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: trees]
#25861921 - 03/08/19 09:00 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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trees said:
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morrowasted said: Consciousness is a bullshit term.
There are experiences, that's it.
Do plants have experiences? Is there "something it is like to be a plant". I doubt it. If they do, they're almost certainly negligible.
People who try to argue that we have something in common with plants because plants use chemical messengers to affect events don't have a damn clue about basic biology. Everything does that. Bacteria share little plasmids with each other and it promotes antibiotic resistance. Are they conscious? Fuck no.
Alright, but still, to who are you to say that you know anything about the universe at all? To say "fuck no, bacteria don't experience shit" is as good as me saying "my computer desk is concious"
The only people who hold the attitude that since nothing can be known, one opinion is just as good as any other opinion, are people who haven't spent very much time trying to make informed opinions.
Get back to me after you've got a degree in Philosophy, experience working in cognitive neuroscience, and years worth of hard science studies in biology, chemistry, anatomy/physiology, medicine, pathology, and we'll see if you still think that the potential veracity of the opinion "bacteria don't experience anything" is equivalent to that of the opinion that "my computer desk is conscious". I could also just save you some time, since I did all of that: they're not.
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: trees]
#25861926 - 03/08/19 09:03 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Are plants conscious? [Re: Amanita86] 3
#25861927 - 03/08/19 09:04 PM (5 years, 21 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Sure they do, they know they’re alive. I don’t think we give animals and plants enough credit for their awareness and intelligence, they’re just running a different program.
they are running ph0t0synth3sis.exe
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