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    #25861327 - 03/08/19 03:31 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

Sorry ive been so busy i haven't shared in a while..

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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25862806 - 03/09/19 09:31 AM (2 months, 12 days ago)

Oh man, do you have any habitat shots?

Those are fatties.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #25862970 - 03/09/19 11:10 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Lol in my manure piles hahaha

We've been getting dumped on with rain and ive been too busy to hit my patches all season.  I only took about quarter of what was there.

Here's some large individuals.



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    #25862976 - 03/09/19 11:15 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)



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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell] * 1
    #25862982 - 03/09/19 11:20 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

If you want the setting.. picture this.

It's a huge mound of shit in the middle of the trees.  As if some mushroom hunter had a say in where all the manure gets dumped

Hahaha

I'm covered in stinging nettles welts.  Worth it!


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25864084 - 03/09/19 07:55 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Yeah, but are they potent? I hear varying reports


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25864130 - 03/09/19 08:12 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

These are manure grown.

Heres my report.  They kick ass.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25864135 - 03/09/19 08:14 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

It's a different high than cubes. But Gramm for gram these are around 90%the strength of cubes.  Way more energy.  Damn weird green aura. But still awesome..


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25864226 - 03/09/19 08:56 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Good to know... How do they compare to cyans?


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25864505 - 03/09/19 11:18 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

I haven't had cyans in a while.  They're probably a bit over half the strength of the alenii ive been finding however the effects area very different.

For me the alenii are far more sedative. A few weeks back i took 2.5 dry grams of alenii.  Similar strength to the 35 grams wet of cincts i took today.

It is difficult to compare.  Alenii i kick back and chill relax and melt into the couch.  Cincts im all over the place with energy and i get the munchies on them and they're far more colorful in my opinion. Less body load maybe?


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25864572 - 03/10/19 12:22 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Aren't alleni and cyans similar in effect?

The cints sound like this one batch I got that looked like penis envies that just caused a state of hysterics and wild laughter.

I need to get around to eating some of my alleni... I have like ozs


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25865014 - 03/10/19 09:10 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Sorry i had panaeolous cyanescens on the brain.  Yeah psilocybe alenii are similar.  I was out of it lol.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25865390 - 03/10/19 11:54 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

lol that makes sense as I felt the alleni/cyan were a lot more like 4-aco-dmt being really clear minded and no body load... I probably didn't eat enough


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25865438 - 03/10/19 12:16 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

See i find alenii to be fairly intense physical depression.  Super relax and good flow.

The cincts are intensely fast and if not interpreted correctly they're kinda anxiety feeling... ...but it's just creative energy overflowing. 

They're all awesome.  Not one psychedelic mushroom is bad they're just different.

Ive had grass cincts that sure were kinda weak so i just doubled down the dose and had a blast. But don't go into it until you have figured out their strength.  Be scientific,  use a scale and go easy....

Alenii are pretty awesome too but i find myself almost physically asleep from 4 dried grams but my mind is chaotic universal overdrive for certain


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25865499 - 03/10/19 12:47 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

I definitely hear what your saying... I wish I could find cints, but no luck yet. They are the only pan in my area


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25865515 - 03/10/19 12:54 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Where are you?  Ive found the babies coast to coast and alaska... maybe i can help get you in the right direction


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25866361 - 03/10/19 06:44 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Bay area... you would think I'd have come across them, but nope. My best bet is likely to cultivate them, but I might as well cultivate a more common pan as it would be near impossible to find spores.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25866456 - 03/10/19 07:50 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Lol. I have found some up in the city. I'm just a few hours south of you.  And in fact will be in sf tomorrow for work. Don't think for a second i'm not hitting the park and going for a "walk" :smile:

Ive never found any of any substantial size,  all tiny little grass cincts.  But i'm sure if you tossed manure on your irrigation on the yard you could turn up some serious results.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25866476 - 03/10/19 08:02 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Steve is the cinct whisperer.


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    #25866490 - 03/10/19 08:08 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Total dry 145 grams :smile:

Thanks Breeg. I do seem to have an eye for them.


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    #25866497 - 03/10/19 08:11 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Ha! I'm trying to get around to eating a farm of my fungus (alleni) and then watching jack and the coocooclock heart and April and the extraordinary world once I decide which I'm watching first. Maybe er can get together tomorrow? I don't do much really and got some good sunset og and a few other nice strains right now plus there's a few places where I know the vape exhale is available to use. If you're down shoot me a PM and let's figure this out :laugh: I'd love to go on a hunt with someone else for once.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25866678 - 03/10/19 09:57 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

You want spores for cinctulus. Kelloggs Patio Plus soil has them and I think their Amend does too.
For sure the Patio Plus...


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25866709 - 03/10/19 10:16 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.


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    #25866722 - 03/10/19 10:27 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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Yeah, but are they potent? I hear varying reports





The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.



I've only heard you say this recently - do you have new information?


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    #25866974 - 03/11/19 03:54 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Any idea what the one growing in the lawns are? Are they even identified?


Also I'd love whatever spores I can get, but I'm trying to figure out a proper reaction of poppy seeds as making tea twice a day is frustrating

Ps. Epic trip by the way... ended up eating a gram and a half or so


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    #25867076 - 03/11/19 05:55 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

See what happens when i go for a hike and forget to check my office before bed and see what happened...

Alan i'm confused... are you drawing a thought that the ones growing in grass areas may be different than manure? I find them on fertilized lawns all the time with jet black spore prints and obviously cinct stems.  They're the same strength as the panaeolopsis i also find in grass.  I keep all my shit separated.  And i've experimented with each many many times.

The feel of the come up,  peak, general visuals etc all the same between all the panaeolous cinctulus and panaeolopsis.  Just different strengths gram for gram.

I hope that if there's a difference i can help get it sorted out...


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    #25867271 - 03/11/19 09:40 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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You want spores for cinctulus. Kelloggs Patio Plus soil has them and I think their Amend does too.
For sure the Patio Plus...



ORIGYN! long time buddy! How's life?  Have you been hunting this season?

I haven't even been hunting.  Ive been finding a shitload just working.  I have 2 alenii spots that have been CONSTANTLY producing all winter and finding cincts and panaeolopsis basically everywhere i look...

My new largest cinct was 23 grams wet before half of the cap snapped off prior to getting a photo :frown:


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25867751 - 03/11/19 02:46 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

That's makes me the cubensis whisperer, if they are near, I will find them.


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    #25868848 - 03/12/19 12:21 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

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I've only heard you say this recently - do you have new information?




Yes, a collection came in to the DNA sequencing workshop I taught in Seattle....That data combined with dung Panaeolus cinctulus sequence data and sequence data in Genbank is starting to come together to suggest this.

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Any idea what the one growing in the lawns are? Are they even identified?




No idea.    Careful microscopy needs to be done, and also the microscopy needs to be compared with the many species of Panaeolus described since Gerhardt's monograph was published.  Unfortunately most of them are based on microscopy only.

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Alan i'm confused... are you drawing a thought that the ones growing in grass areas may be different than manure?




Yes.


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I find them on fertilized lawns all the time with jet black spore prints and obviously cinct stems.





There are 170 species of Panaeolus with jet black spore prints, and surely many of those have cinct stems.

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They're the same strength as the panaeolopsis i also find in grass.




I wonder if they could be the same species.

 
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I keep all my shit separated. 





Good.  You should also add your photos to mushroomobserver.org and label each bag of dried mushrooms with the Mushroom Observer observation # so we can always tell which photos go with which dried mushrooms.  That way they will be useful for scientific collections.

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The feel of the come up,  peak, general visuals etc all the same between all the panaeolous cinctulus and panaeolopsis.  Just different strengths gram for gram.




Ancient work (maybe 40 years old) says that all Panaeolus species have various tryptamine alkaloids in addition to psilocybin.  I need to find the original source paper, I know they found serotonin.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25868890 - 03/12/19 01:20 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Righteous....

I'll start doing exactly that. I'm sure using my eye and eating them won't suffice as scientific in this or any other community.

I will start cataloging the different ones i know of that are coming up right now on mushroom observer.  Then drying them completely separate and sealing them as separate individuals rather than in big piles.

Then when you're done with the 20,000 hours of work it sounds like you already have on your plate... I'll be ready :smile:


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    #25868924 - 03/12/19 02:08 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

If you can print and take pictures of the spores under a microscope I'm sure that would be extremely helpful.


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    #25869438 - 03/12/19 10:37 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

No go on the microscope.

As for spores.. lol i have a pile of prints of various cincts a mile tall.  Now it's just a matter of making that part of my catalog.

I had a patch of grass cincts growing in the corner of my yard.  I fertilize often to say the least. I took a print from one of my monsters, did my outdoor prep and situated them on that patch,  about a month later i got 6 big cincts and the rest of the patch went dead.  I always wondered if the big ones sucked all the nutrients from that spot dry.

The grass ones came up consistently for almost a year,  then one flush of the big boys and nothing since... i also haven't revisited fertilizing that spot again,  but now that the massive rains seem to have passed i may do so just to see what pops up..

Problem being the fertilizer itself is probably loaded with spores.. ugggg. I'll just stick to the cataloging.


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    #25869439 - 03/12/19 10:38 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

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That's makes me the cubensis whisperer, if they are near, I will find them.



Cube whisperer ehhhh?  You're probably a psilocybe whisperer.  Ive seen your posts.  Not just cubes... you find everything.


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    #25869451 - 03/12/19 10:43 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

If you and i are whisperers, i do believe that would make Alan the mushroom Gigolo... it doesn't matter what kind, if it has a cap and stem it screams and pays for alan's affection hahaha


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    #25869854 - 03/12/19 02:24 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Why not pasteurize or buy pasteurized dung? A microscope too!


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    #25869921 - 03/12/19 02:42 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Well i was actually thinking about the trillions of spores currently floating around my yard after that enormous haul.  Since i went out and dumped the dust from my dehydrator and handled them for a long time cleaning all the manure off them... so pasturized or not, there's a black cloud of cinct spores back there lol so what i put out there will be infected.

Not to mention.  In reality i'm asking something quite absurd.  It's an outdoor grow and basically impossible to get accurate. 

I would have to have a far more controlled environment for it to be considered results.. or scientific results at the very least.

I'm going to have to just move on and always wonder if they just sucked up the nutrients..

I'm forbidden to grow indoors because my last attempt was over successful and the wife got nervous.  I figured i would have a high rate of contamination so i made 13 shoeboxes and ALL 13 went off with zero contamination on my first real attempt at growing indoors since college.  Which consisted back then of growing in vitro with spawn bags and syringes bought online,  usually a 50%failure rate.

But no.  She went in to my little area and said get rid of everything. After just 1 flush of each i'm good for a very long time. I mean VERY long time


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25870026 - 03/12/19 03:22 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Alabama definitely get the poop and see what grows


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    #25870173 - 03/12/19 04:36 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

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The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.



Pan. Cincts. Will grow anywhere they can.  That includes lawns.  Sometimes they’ll be blueing too.


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    #25870179 - 03/12/19 04:38 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Yeah on that last batch i wish i had taken pictures but there was a fingerprint shaped bruise on the stem of one of the largest ones...


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    #25870193 - 03/12/19 04:46 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Nice haul, by the way.


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    #25870204 - 03/12/19 04:51 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Hahaha thanks.  I want to go back and grab the rest but i don't have time.  I'm going to do it this weekend so i can individually catalog the rest.  Hopefully they're not too far past their prime. 

My plan is to go take 1 from each different patch,  get good photos and print them then dry and immediately vac seal for potential dna work by forever wants to do the work on them some day.

To be honest i'm just glad it's finally coming out that they're different mushrooms in this group.  Everyone complaining cincts are shit,  and ive had less than 3 grams blow me right out of my shoes... ...but ive also had 5 grams leave me wondering wtf?

Now i separate them and have a good eye for the differences.


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    #25871605 - 03/13/19 11:51 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Yeah, but are they potent? I hear varying reports





The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.



Pan. Cincts. Will grow anywhere they can.  That includes lawns.  Sometimes they’ll be blueing too.


I would trust Alan's word on this much more than I would anyone else.


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    #25871620 - 03/13/19 11:59 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

I'm thinking the ones in a lawn are closer to panaeolopsis.. they're nearly identical in strength.

But that's just an opinion from a guy whos handled an abundance of both.

On rotting hay,  they're closer to manure.  But one's growing from manure piles are a beast all their own really.

So saying cincts grow anywhere is partially correct. But i think cincts will eventually be broken in to many categories.  Different varieties basically.

Until someone scientific gets all sciencey on the things it will all be speculation by guys like myself that have the eye and get big quantities.

As for panaeolopsis.. shit ive seen 4-5 different looking ones also fairly weak but still worth having in the collection.


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    #25871926 - 03/13/19 02:54 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.




To make blanket statement like this with no evidence is not cunducive to a scientific atmosphere.
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I would trust Alan's word on this much more than I would anyone else.





I didn’t say you shouldn’t.  But his statement is as anacdotal as mine.  Personally I would like to see some evidence of this.


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    #25871933 - 03/13/19 02:58 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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I've only heard you say this recently - do you have new information?




Yes, a collection came in to the DNA sequencing workshop I taught in Seattle....That data combined with dung Panaeolus cinctulus sequence data and sequence data in Genbank is starting to come together to suggest this.

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Any idea what the one growing in the lawns are? Are they even identified?




No idea.    Careful microscopy needs to be done, and also the microscopy needs to be compared with the many species of Panaeolus described since Gerhardt's monograph was published.  Unfortunately most of them are based on microscopy only.

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Alan i'm confused... are you drawing a thought that the ones growing in grass areas may be different than manure?




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I find them on fertilized lawns all the time with jet black spore prints and obviously cinct stems.





There are 170 species of Panaeolus with jet black spore prints, and surely many of those have cinct stems.

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They're the same strength as the panaeolopsis i also find in grass.




I wonder if they could be the same species.

 
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I keep all my shit separated. 





Good.  You should also add your photos to mushroomobserver.org and label each bag of dried mushrooms with the Mushroom Observer observation # so we can always tell which photos go with which dried mushrooms.  That way they will be useful for scientific collections.

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The feel of the come up,  peak, general visuals etc all the same between all the panaeolous cinctulus and panaeolopsis.  Just different strengths gram for gram.




Ancient work (maybe 40 years old) says that all Panaeolus species have various tryptamine alkaloids in addition to psilocybin.  I need to find the original source paper, I know they found serotonin.




Pretty sure he clarified here. Maybe you skimmed over that.  Sure it's not scientific data,  photos or the like... ...but it's at least an explanation of why he stated that.

And honestly ive been saying this for A LONG TIME.. because i love the effects of panaeolous and seek them out.

First hand account of the varying features and effects.


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    #25871976 - 03/13/19 03:22 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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I've only heard you say this recently - do you have new information?




Yes, a collection came in to the DNA sequencing workshop I taught in Seattle....That data combined with dung Panaeolus cinctulus sequence data and sequence data in Genbank is starting to come together to suggest this.

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Any idea what the one growing in the lawns are? Are they even identified?




No idea.    Careful microscopy needs to be done, and also the microscopy needs to be compared with the many species of Panaeolus described since Gerhardt's monograph was published.  Unfortunately most of them are based on microscopy only.

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Alan i'm confused... are you drawing a thought that the ones growing in grass areas may be different than manure?




Yes.


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I find them on fertilized lawns all the time with jet black spore prints and obviously cinct stems.





There are 170 species of Panaeolus with jet black spore prints, and surely many of those have cinct stems.

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They're the same strength as the panaeolopsis i also find in grass.




I wonder if they could be the same species.

 
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I keep all my shit separated. 





Good.  You should also add your photos to mushroomobserver.org and label each bag of dried mushrooms with the Mushroom Observer observation # so we can always tell which photos go with which dried mushrooms.  That way they will be useful for scientific collections.

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The feel of the come up,  peak, general visuals etc all the same between all the panaeolous cinctulus and panaeolopsis.  Just different strengths gram for gram.




Ancient work (maybe 40 years old) says that all Panaeolus species have various tryptamine alkaloids in addition to psilocybin.  I need to find the original source paper, I know they found serotonin.




Pretty sure he clarified here. Maybe you skimmed over that.  Sure it's not scientific data,  photos or the like... ...but it's at least an explanation of why he stated that.

And honestly ive been saying this for A LONG TIME.. because i love the effects of panaeolous and seek them out.

First hand account of the varying features and effects.



That’s still supposition.  I’m talking about actual evidence not somebody saying they’re collecting the evidence.  To make the blanket statement ‘cinctulus never occurs in lawns’ needs to be backed up regardless of who said it.


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    #25872007 - 03/13/19 03:33 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Damnit... that measures up.

Well looks like I can't help here.  I'm a good speculator though.


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    #25872119 - 03/13/19 04:40 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Edit; Alan's a busy mycologist working with tons of mushrooms regularly... He probably doesn't have time to go through the likely hundreds of mushrooms recorded to find the few that back up his statement. Again I'd believe him over most even without evidence as he lives mushrooms... Remember he has a Psilocybin named after him. Maybeber will have Pan. Alleni next?


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    #25872122 - 03/13/19 04:41 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Careful buddy


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    #25872126 - 03/13/19 04:44 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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I'm thinking the ones in a lawn are closer to panaeolopsis.. they're nearly identical in strength.




Panaeolopsis are really Panaeolus, close to P. fimicola.


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    #25872129 - 03/13/19 04:44 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

I know it's never going to happen, but free speech and all...


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    #25872236 - 03/13/19 05:35 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Isn't Psilocybe allenii named after John Allen? I think Alan did name it though.

Anyways those are some beautiful looking cincts that's a species I've been wanting to find but haven't had the time.


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    #25872439 - 03/13/19 06:59 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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I know it's never going to happen, but free speech and all...



It will happen one day when they're decriminalized and people accept their healing properties.  But until then reserve comments like that for pm. Free speech doesn't apply to message boards with strict rules to cover their ass


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    #25872866 - 03/13/19 10:16 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Careful buddy



Missed that one.
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Isn't Psilocybe allenii named after John Allen? I think Alan did name it though.

Anyways those are some beautiful looking cincts that's a species I've been wanting to find but haven't had the time.



That name doesn’t get mentioned around here too much anymore.  Funny you’d bring him up, he had some strange ideas about cincts.


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    #25873710 - 03/14/19 11:39 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Oh yeah I forgot his name... I wondered why I was associating John with Allen

Oh yeah I forgot his name... I wondered why I was associating John with Allen

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I know it's never going to happen, but free speech and all...



It will happen one day when they're decriminalized and people accept their healing properties.  But until then reserve comments like that for pm. Free speech doesn't apply to message boards with strict rules to cover their ass


Again it was a joke of a request... I'm not dumb enough to seriously plan engaging in illegal activities online.


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    #25873721 - 03/14/19 11:43 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Good man..

One day it won't be an illegal activity.  We'll probably be old and tired by the time people unclench their buttholes about psychedelics,  but it will be worth the wait.


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    #25873728 - 03/14/19 11:47 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Yeah hooefully it's sooner than that.  Many are researching medical use of these compounds with FDA approval compared to just a short while ago.


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    #25873752 - 03/14/19 11:54 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Absolutely... ...but if you think the big pharma backed politicians are going to open the flood gates, it's going to be difficult.

Look at how much they're charging for ketamine treatments lol some places are in the 10,000 dollar range for a 5 dollar bump of k.

Those greedy fuckers won't let people be happy and live if it means they can't fat ass it on a different yacht every year.

As someone who suffered SEVERE bipolar depression coupled with extreme addiction. I can tell you they want you hooked,  depressed and shoveling money with no end.

My return to psychedelics stopped me from handing my insurance card to the pharmacist to the tune of 9,000 a month.

If that info starts to really take hold,  they'll have to come up with some other way to milk us like cattle...


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    #25873762 - 03/14/19 11:58 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I hear you... Chronic pain makes it very hard though as there still is not enough common understanding on how to deal with pain besides masking it so the doctors end up only knowing how to do that while refusing to do so due to stigma around pain meds while treatments they are not familiar with at all and can't even help point a patient in the right direction.  It's a lot of stupid shit. I'd free myself of the health care system if I could.


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    #25873802 - 03/14/19 12:13 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Well i have a crazy theory.. that pertained to me so I'll say this worked for me and don't try it until you've exhausted all options..

I was a junky through and through.  I had excruciating pain every day after my last bad dirtbike wreck.  Surgeries etc.  Loads of pain killers,  heroin methadone etc.

However i got there i was hooked and bad as any other junky.

I ate mushrooms one night and the pain COMPLETELY went away until i came down.

I was convinced in my trip that it was all in my head.  I quit,  it wasn't easy at all but i quit.  I started exercising and the pain went away.  In fact my desire to do opiates mostly faded over time as well.

Sure i miss it.  Point being diet and exercise coupled with stretching and the like seem to work best for my pain.

Am i still in some physical pain?  Absolutely.  But nothing like your body screaming for relief by opiate. 

For me pain was an excuse to keep myself high.  Maybe not for you.  But i can remember having the first true pain relief on mushrooms.

Now if my body is achy and i reach shrooms it will sometimes intensify it a bit.  But not where i'm rolling around in excruciating pain.  That's the opiates for me...


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    #25873808 - 03/14/19 12:16 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I remember the methadone clinician telling me i would never live without methadone.  Even though it did little to nothing for my pain. That was like 250$ a day that tax payer dollars were paying for while i was "disabled"...

I'm not discounting people with true disability from accidents or whatever.

But my ass wasn't disabled.. just hooked on opiates.  And at the time it was a business in my opinion.  Keep them coming back.


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    #25873845 - 03/14/19 12:37 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I apologize for getting off topic this entire conversation belongs elsewhere...


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    #25873890 - 03/14/19 01:12 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I completely understand what you're saying. I love the pain relief from psychedelics, but it only comes after the pain clarifies intensifying until I push through it... At least during trips. I do have that ability to recognize and push through the pain with micro dosing, but that's not something I have the resources to maintain.

The thing is though the only thing that allows me to put my focus into what I'm doing without the pain are the opioids where cannabis I can bear the pain mentally yet physically it's still there while psychedelics can cause me to focus on nothing, but the pain, which would mean it's probably what my body means at the time although sadly society doesn't always allow one to focus on their body rather then the environment. I'll keep attempting and doing my best to overcome pain and live with it, but I'm just at the point I can't without it managed and still am attempting to find the strength to do so as I used to when I was ignorant and oblivious of the pain. It's definitely a problem we all face sooner or later.

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