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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: breeg89]
    #25866497 - 03/10/19 10:11 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

Ha! I'm trying to get around to eating a farm of my fungus (alleni) and then watching jack and the coocooclock heart and April and the extraordinary world once I decide which I'm watching first. Maybe er can get together tomorrow? I don't do much really and got some good sunset og and a few other nice strains right now plus there's a few places where I know the vape exhale is available to use. If you're down shoot me a PM and let's figure this out :laugh: I'd love to go on a hunt with someone else for once.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25866678 - 03/10/19 11:57 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

You want spores for cinctulus. Kelloggs Patio Plus soil has them and I think their Amend does too.
For sure the Patio Plus...


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25866709 - 03/11/19 12:16 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Yeah, but are they potent? I hear varying reports





The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25866722 - 03/11/19 12:27 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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Yeah, but are they potent? I hear varying reports





The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.



I've only heard you say this recently - do you have new information?


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Duggstar]
    #25866974 - 03/11/19 05:54 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Any idea what the one growing in the lawns are? Are they even identified?


Also I'd love whatever spores I can get, but I'm trying to figure out a proper reaction of poppy seeds as making tea twice a day is frustrating

Ps. Epic trip by the way... ended up eating a gram and a half or so


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25867076 - 03/11/19 07:55 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

See what happens when i go for a hike and forget to check my office before bed and see what happened...

Alan i'm confused... are you drawing a thought that the ones growing in grass areas may be different than manure? I find them on fertilized lawns all the time with jet black spore prints and obviously cinct stems.  They're the same strength as the panaeolopsis i also find in grass.  I keep all my shit separated.  And i've experimented with each many many times.

The feel of the come up,  peak, general visuals etc all the same between all the panaeolous cinctulus and panaeolopsis.  Just different strengths gram for gram.

I hope that if there's a difference i can help get it sorted out...


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Origyn]
    #25867271 - 03/11/19 11:40 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

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You want spores for cinctulus. Kelloggs Patio Plus soil has them and I think their Amend does too.
For sure the Patio Plus...



ORIGYN! long time buddy! How's life?  Have you been hunting this season?

I haven't even been hunting.  Ive been finding a shitload just working.  I have 2 alenii spots that have been CONSTANTLY producing all winter and finding cincts and panaeolopsis basically everywhere i look...

My new largest cinct was 23 grams wet before half of the cap snapped off prior to getting a photo :frown:


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25867751 - 03/11/19 04:46 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

That's makes me the cubensis whisperer, if they are near, I will find them.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25868848 - 03/12/19 02:21 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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I've only heard you say this recently - do you have new information?




Yes, a collection came in to the DNA sequencing workshop I taught in Seattle....That data combined with dung Panaeolus cinctulus sequence data and sequence data in Genbank is starting to come together to suggest this.

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Any idea what the one growing in the lawns are? Are they even identified?




No idea.    Careful microscopy needs to be done, and also the microscopy needs to be compared with the many species of Panaeolus described since Gerhardt's monograph was published.  Unfortunately most of them are based on microscopy only.

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Alan i'm confused... are you drawing a thought that the ones growing in grass areas may be different than manure?




Yes.


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I find them on fertilized lawns all the time with jet black spore prints and obviously cinct stems.





There are 170 species of Panaeolus with jet black spore prints, and surely many of those have cinct stems.

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They're the same strength as the panaeolopsis i also find in grass.




I wonder if they could be the same species.

 
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I keep all my shit separated. 





Good.  You should also add your photos to mushroomobserver.org and label each bag of dried mushrooms with the Mushroom Observer observation # so we can always tell which photos go with which dried mushrooms.  That way they will be useful for scientific collections.

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The feel of the come up,  peak, general visuals etc all the same between all the panaeolous cinctulus and panaeolopsis.  Just different strengths gram for gram.




Ancient work (maybe 40 years old) says that all Panaeolus species have various tryptamine alkaloids in addition to psilocybin.  I need to find the original source paper, I know they found serotonin.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25868890 - 03/12/19 03:20 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Righteous....

I'll start doing exactly that. I'm sure using my eye and eating them won't suffice as scientific in this or any other community.

I will start cataloging the different ones i know of that are coming up right now on mushroom observer.  Then drying them completely separate and sealing them as separate individuals rather than in big piles.

Then when you're done with the 20,000 hours of work it sounds like you already have on your plate... I'll be ready :smile:


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25868924 - 03/12/19 04:08 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

If you can print and take pictures of the spores under a microscope I'm sure that would be extremely helpful.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25869438 - 03/12/19 12:37 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

No go on the microscope.

As for spores.. lol i have a pile of prints of various cincts a mile tall.  Now it's just a matter of making that part of my catalog.

I had a patch of grass cincts growing in the corner of my yard.  I fertilize often to say the least. I took a print from one of my monsters, did my outdoor prep and situated them on that patch,  about a month later i got 6 big cincts and the rest of the patch went dead.  I always wondered if the big ones sucked all the nutrients from that spot dry.

The grass ones came up consistently for almost a year,  then one flush of the big boys and nothing since... i also haven't revisited fertilizing that spot again,  but now that the massive rains seem to have passed i may do so just to see what pops up..

Problem being the fertilizer itself is probably loaded with spores.. ugggg. I'll just stick to the cataloging.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Doc9151]
    #25869439 - 03/12/19 12:38 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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That's makes me the cubensis whisperer, if they are near, I will find them.



Cube whisperer ehhhh?  You're probably a psilocybe whisperer.  Ive seen your posts.  Not just cubes... you find everything.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25869451 - 03/12/19 12:43 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

If you and i are whisperers, i do believe that would make Alan the mushroom Gigolo... it doesn't matter what kind, if it has a cap and stem it screams and pays for alan's affection hahaha


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25869854 - 03/12/19 04:24 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Why not pasteurize or buy pasteurized dung? A microscope too!


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: tacodude]
    #25869921 - 03/12/19 04:42 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Well i was actually thinking about the trillions of spores currently floating around my yard after that enormous haul.  Since i went out and dumped the dust from my dehydrator and handled them for a long time cleaning all the manure off them... so pasturized or not, there's a black cloud of cinct spores back there lol so what i put out there will be infected.

Not to mention.  In reality i'm asking something quite absurd.  It's an outdoor grow and basically impossible to get accurate. 

I would have to have a far more controlled environment for it to be considered results.. or scientific results at the very least.

I'm going to have to just move on and always wonder if they just sucked up the nutrients..

I'm forbidden to grow indoors because my last attempt was over successful and the wife got nervous.  I figured i would have a high rate of contamination so i made 13 shoeboxes and ALL 13 went off with zero contamination on my first real attempt at growing indoors since college.  Which consisted back then of growing in vitro with spawn bags and syringes bought online,  usually a 50%failure rate.

But no.  She went in to my little area and said get rid of everything. After just 1 flush of each i'm good for a very long time. I mean VERY long time


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25870026 - 03/12/19 05:22 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Alabama definitely get the poop and see what grows


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25870173 - 03/12/19 06:36 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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Yeah, but are they potent? I hear varying reports





The ones that aren't potent are a different species that are found in lawns.  Panaelus cinctulus never occurs in lawns.



Pan. Cincts. Will grow anywhere they can.  That includes lawns.  Sometimes they’ll be blueing too.


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: lowbrow]
    #25870179 - 03/12/19 06:38 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Yeah on that last batch i wish i had taken pictures but there was a fingerprint shaped bruise on the stem of one of the largest ones...


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Re: Beefy a$$ cincts... [Re: Steveinshell]
    #25870193 - 03/12/19 06:46 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Nice haul, by the way.


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