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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Nimph]
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Nimph said:
i only know beer as spoiled piss water that causes whitetrash problems.




pick up a history book. beer has been as important as railroads, airlines or oil. countless things we enjoy today were invented for beer.

i want a chill weed store staffed by competent professionals. the guys at my store can baaarely work the stores pos software. its pathetic. takes for-fucking-ever to do a transaction. no matter who checks you out. they need some seasoned retail gurus...:stoned:

heres some old pot i grew once:shrug:

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: MadValley]
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Government weed sucks in Canada. The beer is ok I guess.


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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: staytrippy420]
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Okay so now shits starting.

I showed him the link to one of the sites proving him wrong and just posted it to him and said that it was interesting and now he's saying "dude I been smoking weed for over 16 years and you think because of one site that I'm supposed to believe different strains don't give different highs? I know people who grown bud for years and I doubt you would know more than them"

This kid obviously has a big tolerance so that would make it even harder to distinguish between strains

I love confusing people with facts


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
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Bill. You are right and wrong.


Right is that the terms sativa and indica do not mean anything anymore. They are outdated. Each plant today is a hybrid. That's right.

But on the other hand, each strain has a unique alkaloid profile that lead to different effect. Some strains calm you down more than others, others lift you up.

No matter how they are called or not, they do feel different!

Here's a passage from the link you have posted:

Quote:
Even if we had a plant with pure Sativa genetics, it may not make us feel energized. It is the chemotype or chemical compounds found in the Cannabis flower that determine the effect it will have when consumed. And those compounds can and do vary widely among Cannabis genetics. For every batch of flower grown, we must look to the actual compounds that are interacting with our receptors to explain why some strains make us feel giggly or sleepy or sexy or hyper or somewhere in between.


When we talk about the chemotype of Cannabis we are referring to cannabinoid concentration (THC,CBD, etc) and terpene concentration. Terpenes are the essential oils found in plants; they give plants their smell. But they also correlate to certain physiological effects. For example, a strain that smells like citrus may make you feel more euphoric. This is because of a terpene called limonene, found in the rinds of citrus fruits, that gives a pronounced anti-anxiety effect when consumed.

Instead of relying on the terms Indica or Sativa to help you find your desired effect, make more informed choices with your nose. Pick up a jar of Cannabis and deeply inhale. Do you smell citrus notes or a deep earthy grass? If you’re looking for something more euphoric pick up a strain with citrus notes. If you want something a little more relaxing go with that earthy cultivar. Start choosing Cannabis with your nose because as we say in the biz, the nose knows.



It clearly sais that different additives, like terpenes and oils, do produce different effects.

That's all we talk about! Some strains lift you up, others calm you down. It has to do with THC:CBD:Terpenes ratios, nothing else. No placebo, but scientificly proven facts. You posted the article yourself..

So what are you arguing about again? That the terms sativa and indica are outdated?
They are today falsely used for the two main categories, calming weeds and energizing weeds.
Calming weeds are called indica (but have nothing to do with the original indica name), and upliftig weeds are called sativa.
Might be wrong, yes.. But those two types of highs do exist. Most smokers do feel those differences. Denying this fact is just wrong. :sun:

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Pandemoon]
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Some labeled sativas would qualify as indica based on chemical analysis and vice versa. Each crop needs testing. Variables during growing can have as much or more impact than genetics

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Pandemoon]
    #25867328 -

I don't believe the marijuana plant has the capability to produce an energetic high and a mellow high. That makes no sense. A weed high is a weed high..it can't shapeshift from a stimulant to an opiate type deal. It's fucking weed!


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25867347 -

They why the hype with cbd-high strains for medical use? If they don't feel different than thc-rich strains, why do they use cbd flowers in the first place for anti anxiety and pain etc?

Different cannabinoids feel different, and strains do vary in it's ratios. That's all I can say. :shrug:

Why don't you believe that a plant family can produce different effects?
Some cacti do feel different due to alkaloids ratios. Kratom from different sources /varieties feels different. Psychotria or caapi do have different effects depending on the variety.
"Cannabis" is a hybrid between two differing varieties. So why not there?

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Pandemoon]
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All I know is every single time I smoke weed, I don't feel like doing anything. I've yet to smoke weed and be like "let's do some dishes"

Weed makes me reserved, calm, and reclusive. I wish it wasn't always that way but it is

Maybe I've been getting "in da couch" for the last 12 years :lol:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25867364 -

It's a subtile difference more noticable in low doses with 0 tolerance. :strokebeard:

If I smoke half a gram at once I won't be able to do anything but laying on my couch, even with a mnore uplifting strain. :smile:

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Pandemoon]
    #25867371 -

So it's the tolerance that effects you..not the weed.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #25867504 -

Bill_Oreilly said:
So it's the tolerance that effects you..not the weed.




What?!

I'll buy an Oz. at a time. I will build up a tolerance to a certain strain and I'll smoke a different strain and get high no problems.

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: LosTresOjos]
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Yup^



Which one?:wink: im referring to modern mass produced beer like Budweiser, budlight, millerlight ect. that leaves you a sloppy tard an feeling like shit in the morning.

Edited by Nimph (03/11/19 12:34 PM)

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #25867677 -

LosTresOjos said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
So it's the tolerance that effects you..not the weed.




What?!

I'll buy an Oz. at a time. I will build up a tolerance to a certain strain and I'll smoke a different strain and get high no problems.




Umm cool. That has nothing to do with anything.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #25867692 -

Lmao your asking for peoples opinions then shutting them down... This thread is a joke.


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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25867816 -

I asked people's opinion before I actually researched it halfway through the thread.

I didn't make this thread with the information beforehand.

Congrats you tried


I think it's you guys who are having the hard time accepting you are wrong about indica vs sativa

Like bod said...bad info is hard to get rid of

I will accept the idea that some weed may last longer, contain different ratios of chemical properties that change minor things about the high...but indica isn't a body high and sativa isn't a head high

How many times do i need to repeat myself?

Guess I will until this thread gets closed or people stop coming into the thread without reading it 


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
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Bill_Oreilly said:
I don't believe the marijuana plant has the capability to produce an energetic high and a mellow high. That makes no sense. A weed high is a weed high..it can't shapeshift from a stimulant to an opiate type deal. It's fucking weed!




The effects can certainly shape-shift, and it does make sense if you look into the pharmacology and mechanisms of action that the many different components of cannabis have, and how complex things get with the way they interact/influence/modulate one another.....It is not so drastic/exaggerated to the point that some strains are like a stimulant or like an opioid. But yea, some strains do put me into deep relaxation and some other strains leave me clear headed and not as stoned.

A THC high is a THC high....but I think you're forgetting that there is far more than just THC in the bud of cannabis, THC is what produces the dominant effect but all of the other components do have an influence on the overall character of the effect. Some strains contain cannabinoids that are not at all present in others, such as CBN, CBD, and THC-V, these are "drugs" that are not found in all strains....A strain that contains THC-V will be noticeably different compared to a strain that was harvested late and contains relatively high CBN. Neither of those are likely to be found on the market because strains containing THC-V are rare, and most strains are harvested before CBN forms (but just giving examples of different components in cannabis that can have a big influence on the type of effect that's experienced.) And there are waaaaaay more components in the herb than just those few.



The plant produces dozens & dozens of different cannabinoids which have different effects and influence one another, and 100s of different terpenes which can modulate and influence the effects of cannabinoids....depending on the chemical make up/profile, concentration, and ratio of these components there are many different possible nuances in types of effects one might experience.

I think you're sorta exaggerating or have the wrong impression about what an uplifting/clear strain is like and what a relaxing/stoney strain is like. It really is not so drastic that one end of the spectrum is a full on stimulant and the other is a heavy opioid...it's not like that.




So you believe LSD can hold a variety of different characteristics merely depending on the chemist that made it or depending on the synth the chemist used, and you believe each batch of LSD has it's own certain effect because of this...Even though LSD is only one single active chemical and contains no other components which influence or modulate the effects of that one single chemical...But when it comes to cannabis, which contains many different active components, containing 100s of different components that all interact with one another and having literally thousands of different potential combinations of chemical profiles..You don't believe it's possible for these different chemical profiles to change the overall character of a weed high?....You believe one single chemical (LSD) can produce different effects/characteristics merely depending on who made it/how it was made, but you do not believe it is possible for there to be some nuances in the effects between the many different chemical profiles of cannabis....?








Bill_Oreilly said:
All I know is every single time I smoke weed, I don't feel like doing anything. I've yet to smoke weed and be like "let's do some dishes"

Weed makes me reserved, calm, and reclusive....






I have...


Tangie is one strain that can me motivated to do things......Or rather I'll say, it doesn't deter me from getting shit done during the day. It doesn't make me "stoned". It's bright & clean tangerine/citrus aroma is reminiscent of its headspace/high.

Last summer I was smoking this strain early in the day for a while...It was a nice start to the day and didn't leave me stoned or in a haze. In comparison, if I smoked something like bubba kush early in the day like I did with the Tangie I would not want to get up off the couch and I would be left in a cloudy headspace for most of the day....With that said, it's not like the Tangie made me feel like I was on a "stimulant", I was still in a very mellow/high/weed headspace and would have no problem kicking back and relaxing, it just was not a heavy/sedating stoney effect and I could go about my day as usual without being in a stoned/cloudy headspace.

I regularly smoke before I have certain activities to do...like yard work & gardening, or cleaning the house, or before going on a bike ride, or running errands, or while snowboarding, etc etc......but I don't smoke a strain that's going to make me stoned & sedated, otherwise I would be...well, stoned.





Most of the strains you've smoked likely have a very similar cannabinoid/terp profile, that's probably why they all have a similar effect to you.....A lot of strains out there do have a generic/similar high (regardless of their sativa or indica label)........and if you mostly only puff on carts/extracts, high THC distillates, then all you're getting is mostly THC and they'll all have the same sort of generic high regardless of what "strain" they came from.







-OM


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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: openmind]
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:imout:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25867879 -

Bill_Oreilly said:
...but indica isn't a body high and sativa isn't a head high







I agree with that to an extent....if we're talking pure landraces, I feel there will be a pronounced difference between a sativa from Mexico and an indica variety from Pakistan. But if we're talking the common "sativas" & "indicas" on the market today, they are so hybridized they're a long way from their original unique chemical profiles.


In all my posts in this thread I was never rambling about an indica versus sativa thing....I was just stating that I certainly notice differences among some strains, regardless of their indica or sativa "label".

Some strains, regardless of their indica/sativa genetics background, are far more somatic/in the body and some strains are far more cerebral/in the head. And lots of other nuances.

I do notice lots of differences, there are certainly differences, but I don't not feel there is always a firm correlation of effects to simply a sativa/indica thing.





I know I mentioned this already....but some landrace sativas do produce THC-V, this "drug"/chemical component is not found in any indica strains, and THC-V does have a unique effect...When most people (usually old heads) talk about soaring energetic heady highs of Sativas, bordering on psychedelia, they're likely talking about strains that contain THC-V....Strains with this cannabinoid will certainly have a unique effect/stand out from other strains.....Most folks will never cross paths with a strain like this on the market though.






-OM

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: openmind]
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If you ignore all the labels and notice little changes such as how long your high is and whatnot, I can get on board with that. It makes sense that all weed isnt the same. Some may be a little more clear headed due to lower thc and higher cbd

As I saidddddd...indica and sativa do not mean what everyone thinks. I learned this by making this thread. It is fact. That's all.

I believe you about feeling that different bud slightly change the high


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Honest opinion about weed...i need answers [Re: openmind]
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Thc content is waaaaaay over rated imo/ime, like dabs an stuff shit is like green crack lol.
I like fat glob to put me on my ass but i gotta have flower or live resin to relax an feel good.
The "other stuff" is what separates gas from commercial.





Bill these are alot more than subtle differences, its the difference between me paying 150 an oz vs 240 an oz the difference between me having a great day an me getting couch lock an indigestion from to much junk food.


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