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The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug
    #25853569 - 03/05/19 07:54 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

I predicted that this would happen... There going to do the same thing with Cannabis and psychedelics... Mark my words, you'll see... 40% of the FDA's budget is funded by the pharmaceutical industry so how in the world could we ever expect them to work for us?

The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug that will cost You $32,500 each month


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #25853578 - 03/05/19 08:05 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Where have you been? The drug was approved almost a year ago, and FDA has considered CBD a controlled substance for decades.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: badchad]
    #25853610 - 03/05/19 08:38 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

@badchad

It fits Nikon Addicts world view so they take it as a profound truth...  Sadly if you look at that site they linked, its nothing but clickbait...  Its probably some random health-nut's personally coded page that uses no form  of peer-review or editorial process..


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: badchad]
    #25853632 - 03/05/19 08:52 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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badchad said:
Where have you been? The drug was approved almost a year ago, and FDA has considered CBD a controlled substance for decades.



 

Can you provide a link that says the FDA considered making CBD oil a controlled substance decades ago? Because I found no story dating back decades or implying they wanted to control it decades ago using google... The FDA and DEA considered doing so within the past two years... For decades? and as far as the drug goes, there are a number of drugs that were derived from cannabis... This is going to happen... And Monsanto Bayer are going to supply Cannabis... They've already got GMO seeds...

Psychedelics? Same thing... Psychedelics will be made by pharmaceutical companies...


Anyway, please direct me to a link... Thanks...


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: LeAto]
    #25853646 - 03/05/19 09:01 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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LeAto said:
@badchad

It fits Nikon Addicts world view so they take it as a profound truth...  Sadly if you look at that site they linked, its nothing but clickbait...  Its probably some random health-nut's personally coded page that uses no form  of peer-review or editorial process..


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You have 130 posts since 2008? And I'm supposed to take you seriously?

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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: Nikon Addict] * 1
    #25853668 - 03/05/19 09:19 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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Can you provide a link that says the FDA considered making CBD oil a controlled substance decades ago? .




Sure. The original Controlled Substances Act.

"(16) The term ''marihuana'' means all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds thereof; the resin extracted from any part of such plant; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or resin. Such term does not include the mature stalks of such plant, fiber produced from such stalks, oil or cake made from the seeds of such plant, any other compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such mature stalks (except the resin extracted therefrom), fiber, oil, or cake, or the sterilized seed of such plant which is incapable of germination."


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: badchad]
    #25853760 - 03/05/19 10:14 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Sorry brotato, but most of your cbd's come from plants other than cannabis, same goes for most terps in dab/oil.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: Zyiadem]
    #25853813 - 03/05/19 10:45 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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Sorry brotato, but most of your cbd's come from plants other than cannabis, same goes for most terps in dab/oil.




Right, but for the most part (with few exceptions) the CSA schedules substances, regardless of origin. If you did scientific research and wanted to study CBD, you'd need a schedule 1 license. Look it up at Sigma Aldrich yourself.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: Zyiadem]
    #25853821 - 03/05/19 10:50 AM (2 months, 14 days ago)

What do you mean about other plants being involved with canna-oils?


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #25854126 - 03/05/19 01:34 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Yeah muchacho i don't think CBD comes from any other plant in large enough amounts.

it was recently in newsfeed that CBD was found in hops but in very small amounts..

Also in newsfeed GMO yeast produce cannabinoids, but is not yet used, commercially.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: ellomello]
    #25854322 - 03/05/19 03:25 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

This is so sketchy...


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: ellomello]
    #25854354 - 03/05/19 03:50 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

Zyiadem said:
Sorry brotato, but most of your cbd's come from plants other than cannabis, same goes for most terps in dab/oil.




Right, but for the most part (with few exceptions) the CSA schedules substances, regardless of origin. If you did scientific research and wanted to study CBD, you'd need a schedule 1 license. Look it up at Sigma Aldrich yourself.




Except there is absolutely a legal distinction for CBD from cannabis vs hemp. It was sort of a grey area for years but seems to have been solidified lately.

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What do you mean about other plants being involved with canna-oils?




Terpenes are found in all sorts of plants, so most of the reasonable priced terpenes out are non cannabis derived. Ones extracted from cannabis cost like 10x as much.

And most of the CBD out is derived from hemp.

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Yeah muchacho i don't think CBD comes from any other plant in large enough amounts.

it was recently in newsfeed that CBD was found in hops but in very small amounts..

Also in newsfeed GMO yeast produce cannabinoids, but is not yet used, commercially.




He was almost certainly talking about hemp. Also I heard that hops story was BS, doesn't seem like it has been verified so far. CBD yeast probably won't take too long though.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: musiclover420]
    #25854380 - 03/05/19 04:04 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

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Except there is absolutely a legal distinction for CBD from cannabis vs hemp. It was sort of a grey area for years but seems to have been solidified lately.





CBD is a molecule. It is a chemical, and the structure does not change depending on origin.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: badchad]
    #25854582 - 03/05/19 05:57 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

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Except there is absolutely a legal distinction for CBD from cannabis vs hemp. It was sort of a grey area for years but seems to have been solidified lately.





CBD is a molecule. It is a chemical, and the structure does not change depending on origin.




Hemp is legal to farm, cannabis is not, CBD is scheduled as a cannabis product, CBD derived from hemp is exempt in some cases.

Inversely THC is schedule 1 yet there is pharmaceutical THC that is schedule 2 when sold in pill form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dronabinol

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On May 13, 1986, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) issued a Final Rule and Statement of Policy authorizing the "rescheduling of synthetic dronabinol in sesame oil and encapsulated in soft gelatin capsules from Schedule I to Schedule II" (DEA 51 FR 17476-78). This permitted medical use of Marinol, albeit with the severe restrictions associated with Schedule II status.[13] For instance, refills of Marinol prescriptions were not permitted. At its 10th meeting, on April 29, 1991, the Commission on Narcotic Drugs, in accordance with article 2, paragraphs 5 and 6, of the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, decided that Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol (also referred to as Δ⁹-THC) and its stereochemical variants should be transferred from Schedule I to Schedule II of that Convention. This released Marinol from the restrictions imposed by Article 7 of the Convention (See also United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances).




So laws aren't always just about chemistry :shrug:


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: musiclover420]
    #25854733 - 03/05/19 07:12 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

You should read the most recent statementfrom the FDA Commissioner about it.

Some excerpts: "In short, we treat products containing cannabis or cannabis-derived compounds as we do any other FDA-regulated products — meaning they’re subject to the same authorities and requirements as FDA-regulated products containing any other substance. This is true regardless of the source of the substance, including whether the substance is derived from a plant that is classified as hemp under the Agriculture Improvement Act."

You're correct the farm bill legalized hemp. However there is a lot to sort through. Generally speaking, you can't make any types of health or drug claims about anything unless its an approved drug. So CBD products claiming health benefits would be under FDA jurisdiction depending on how they are advertised. That is hardly unique to CBD though.

Now, its even more complex because CBD is an FDA approved drug. Generally speaking, you can't sell FDA approved drugs in any form, regardless of claim. I can't sell viagara as a spice, incense etc.

All this is separate from scheduling which is handled by DEA. Generally substances themselves are scheduled. Two exceptions come to mind, THC (the FDA-approved version is scheduled, while THC remains schedule 1.) The other exception is GHB. However, these cases are rare and illustrate my point. FDA approved CBD is scheudule, while the rest remains schedule 1.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: musiclover420]
    #25854790 - 03/05/19 07:40 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

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two exceptions come to mind, THC (the FDA-approved version is scheduled, while THC remains schedule 1.)




Did you not read my post?

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Inversely THC is schedule 1 yet there is pharmaceutical THC that is schedule 2 when sold in pill form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dronabinol





Anyways the FDA is not the end all authority when it comes to legal matters, the point was a substance can be the same chemically and have different rules depending on the source, IE hemp vs cannabis or pharmaceuticals vs plants.

Anyways I think you misunderstood my first post anyways.

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musiclover420 said:
Quote:

badchad said:
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musiclover420 said:


Except there is absolutely a legal distinction for CBD from cannabis vs hemp. It was sort of a grey area for years but seems to have been solidified lately.





CBD is a molecule. It is a chemical, and the structure does not change depending on origin.








I wasn't talking about a "structural" difference in the molecule, but the legal distinction which is once again in a sort of grey area.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: musiclover420]
    #25854829 - 03/05/19 07:57 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Cbd is Federally a schedule 1 drug. It was legalized in my state in 2014. The feds could still shut down cbd dispensaries here. article is retarded. Cbd is already controlled substance


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25855491 - 03/06/19 04:52 AM (2 months, 13 days ago)

It is indeed schedule 1 sadly. I think mostly because big pharma wants it, which theyve made clear

But yes CBD and THC have both been schedule 1 forever now. In many states you can get CBD easily in headshops, high quality products too, and i guess they wanna stop that so only big pharma makes those products. Disgusting really considering its not even psychoactive

Just pure greed

I think the reason its a grey area is it just isnt enforced usually. But technically its illegal. Like how in ohio theres that article about the huge cbd bust on the headlines right now


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: Fractal420]
    #25855613 - 03/06/19 07:33 AM (2 months, 13 days ago)

@Nikon Addict

Maybe if you went and trolled my back posts you might take me seriously...  I usually don't say much unless someone is seriously misguided...  I don't trust newer accounts with tons of posts because they typically burn out and leave before they really matter...  Also have you ever heard of pm, easier openly to talk over messages than on a forum...  This might have something to do with my post count as well el'douche....

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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: LeAto]
    #25857568 - 03/07/19 05:14 AM (2 months, 12 days ago)

OR maybe theyre trying to learn how to grow shrooms. When i was new i posted a whole lot in the mushcult thread. Now i mainly check out the dank threads and consult teks when needed


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: Fractal420]
    #25858185 - 03/07/19 12:53 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

I see you all over the place on here Fractal420, you almost always post something informative or at least give a direction.  I was being snarky towards him because he made some comment about not trusting my 10yr old account with only 132 posts


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: LeAto]
    #25859574 - 03/07/19 11:46 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

The CBD in hopes was COMPLETELY BS.... A known con artist is the one to have claimed to have bred the strain and it still wouldn't produce enough to extract. There's CBD produced via yeast, but that's not available to anyone besides who developed it. There's synthetic lab made CBD, but that's too costly. The only CBD anyone is using is from cannabis or hemp.

I can see them trying to make products without FDA approval illegal, but I don't see them successfully prohibition CBD with today's understandings.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: tacodude]
    #25860109 - 03/08/19 07:02 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

They've been trying to make thc hops for years first through breeding and grafting now with genetics. Thc hops will happen before cbd hops in all likelihood. The reports of CBD hops as said above is BS.


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Re: The FDA intends to make CBD Oil a controlled drug [Re: LeAto]
    #25861040 - 03/08/19 03:47 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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I see you all over the place on here Fractal420, you almost always post something informative or at least give a direction.  I was being snarky towards him because he made some comment about not trusting my 10yr old account with only 132 posts




No worries, i was just throwing out an idea. Just because when i first learned mushcult i didnt post much i just read


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