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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] 2
#27897966 - 08/10/22 08:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The reason I would like there to be a requirement for companies to state what is and isn't acceptable in their policy, is so that people would know where the company stands, and their bias would be written out in black and white. It would be more easily scrutinized, and keeping them accountable for exercising influence on our politics would be easier to do as a result.
I wonder, do you not see any problem with the situation? Or potential problem? What solutions do you think would be effective?
Their bias? Didn't you just say how different it is from news media? Didn't you just say that the owner of the website isn't endorsing the views of the posters? If that's the case, why do you care what the bias is? Shouldn't the bias of the posters be the important issue?
I think it's pretty clear why their bias is important, as they are the ones doing the censoring. The bias of the posters has no bearing on that whatsoever.
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And you wholly circumnavigated the actual issue which is that human beings make it so that these posts get distributed. It isn't enough to say, "I get it, those aren't your words." If I'm being forced to distribute YOUR words, how is that in any way not infringing on my right to decide what speech I support? I didn't screen print this t-shirt that has a swastika, but I have to wear it because Falcon and BigBadWoof think it's the fair thing to do.
Wearing a swastika shirt would be a personal endorsement of Naziism. My argument, which I feel was a pretty accurate description of the reality if the situation, was that the views of posters on social media websites really aren't... ever.. attributed to the platform, but to the user. That is why social media is different than a t-shirt, or even, as I argued, a newspaper.
The difference is, a newspaper article goes through a filter, such as the editor, etc... the views espoused in that article, are therefore reasonably attributed to the organization as a whole. Now, I suppose if FB and YouTube, etc, decide to start censoring every post, maybe we could consider viewing every poster as a representative of fb/youtube.
Your comparison, in my mind, is a false equivalence. They just aren't the same. Nobody thinks Alex Jones represents YouTube, but if I sported a swastika t-shirt, it would be unreasonable not to see me as a nazi sympathizer.
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I don't care if it's facebook or shroomery...Being forced to publish content that is counter to the goals of the site is forced speech. If Stormfront were forced to publish jewish propaganda, that would be forced speech. If Shroomery were forced to publish D.A.R.E. literature, that's forced speech. If facebook were forced to publish advertisements for competitors, that's forced speech.
Fair enough. All I am suggesting is that the "goals of the site" be clearly and explicitly outlined.
Social media is a unique market, because it sells itself as being a platform for communication. They are in the business of publishing the content of users. Until recently, they did not have "goals" beyond distributing user content. The fact that they do have political "goals", and have such a powerful influence is potentially dangerous, clearly.
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Tulsi Gabbard talking about the Trump raid. God damn I'm in love with this woman...
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: 2c-gLee] 1
#27898204 - 08/10/22 10:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I ran across that video on Reddit. I honestly don't watch any mainstream news... ever really lol!
That was funny, though!
I'll watch any video with Tulsi Gabbard though. I'm smitten.
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SirTripAlot said: 1st Amendment protects speech of the citizen to that relating to the government....not private organizations.
Does the federal government have the right to have its own viewpoint or expression? IF the federal government had a website, engaged in its own expression....couldnt everyone post there, without the possibility of forced speech, or removed speech? Why doesn't the gov host a web page where any swingin dick can say what the fuck ever?
I vaguely remember Dump posting on Twitter and preventing others from critiquing or retweeting things of his, and somehow in court....this was considered a violation of 1st Amendment rights to that of the critics. Isn't Twitter a private organization ?
Obama used to block comments from his campaign videos on YouTube. I remember someone saying that it was a display of his views on freedom of speech. I thought that was an interesting point, but I don't know how I feel about it myself.
I have seen people advocate for a government funded social media platform. The problem is, it would probably not be very popular, and generally suck.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] 1
#27898735 - 08/11/22 10:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: When you think of 4chan and 8kun, what do you think of? I'll bet its different than how you percieve youtube and shroomery. The source of that difference is the content found on those fora. That content was posted by people other than the owners of the site.
Your claim that the views of the posters aren't ever attributed to the platform is magical thinking from the land of unicorns and faeries.
That's an interesting point. I have never used 4chan or even heard of 8kun. Those are sites where you can upload content, but it is not censored, like YouTube, right? I suppose you're right. I expect that I will not find certain things on YouTube, like pornography, and that is because YouTube chooses not to publish those things. It is therefore reflective of YouTube's views as a company.
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And you still haven't addressed the larger problem of forcing people to support a message they disagree with.
I suppose I'm not suggesting that Youtube be forced to host any video that anyone might upload to their site. I don't even think I would probably want that, as I don't want porn on YouTube, to be perfectly honest.
I would like them to explicitly outline what is and is not acceptable to post on their website, because social media companies do facilitate speech, that is their whole business model. I don't like that they get away with feigning impartiality, when they censor content to influence politics.
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I don't, and that's only for lack of trying. I'm no longer a consumer of mainstream news media. It rots my 3rd favorite organ (the brain).
If you think our media isn't rife with bullshit, I am certain there's little I could possibly do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ya actually you could have . 1 bullshit story seemed like a pretty low bar . Now though since you've made this incredible claim , made no attempt to back it up and professed superior intelligence seemingly based on an absence of research it will be difficult to convince me of anything . You couldn't convince me you knew your ass from a hole in the ground if you haven't seen either one lately .
Damn, I sincerely wasn't trying to twist your panties so tight. I didn't claim superior intelligence. I don't think it's necessary for me to find one bullshit story to prove that point on a political forum, just like it's not necessary for me to prove that the sun shines during the day.
Are you seriously asking me to prove that mainstream news organizations propogate bullshit stories, or that one of them has ever spread a single story they knew to be untrue? The question isn't whether or not they do it, it is to what extent?
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christopera said: The sun shines during the night too. It's not a very good metaphor is it?
I was waiting for that lmao! I was gonna say "the sun revolves around the earth" to see if anyone would catch it lol..
Night time is for MOONSHINE, buddy.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch] 1
#27898883 - 08/11/22 01:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/10/05/youtubes-covid-purge-raises-troubling-censorship-questions-15847
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YouTube announced last week that it's banning a number of high-profile anti-vaccine activists from its platform. The policy shift is meant to stem the spread of misinformation, but it raises some troubling questions. Most important among them: is more censorship worth the cost it imposes on society?
A radicalized public watches more YouTube videos.
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YouTube has affected conventional politics, becoming even more important than direct mail in political campaigning, with politicians and governments using the website to directly engage citizens and promote policies. However, its recommendation algorithm has been shown to recommend extremist content, especially far-right and conspiracy propaganda, leading to claims that YouTube has been used as a tool for political radicalization.
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The Hill and which I currently co-host, was suspended by YouTube on Thursday for allegedly violating the platform’s rules around election misinformation...
The crime, we learned, that got the show suspended for seven days from its platform was that neither I nor my co-host, Robby Soave, paused to solemnly inform our viewers that Trump’s phrase — “a rigged election” — referred to his ongoing claim that the election was stolen from him in 2020 and that this claim is false.
This is not an example, but it's illustrative of the problem:
https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/the-problem-with-censoring-political-speech-online-including-trumps
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In January, many online platforms decided they no longer wanted to host President Trump’s speech. Google, Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, and other social media services announced they would no longer distribute Trump’s hateful, demeaning, outrageous speech or anything else he might have to say. Many people were pleased. Others, including the ACLU, expressed concern that a few of these companies — namely Facebook, Google, and Twitter — wield such enormous power over online speech that, if they used it against people with fewer outlets than the president of the United States, the companies could effectively silence them.
Most Americans Think Social Media Sites Censor Political Viewpoints
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ballsalsa said: Had a gun, ended up in a gunfight but only used a nail gun inside the building before fleeing? Very strange behavior. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna42669
I don't think it's strange at all... in fact, it's 100% exactly what I've come to expect. Get with the times, balls... srsly..
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mycosis]
#27899369 - 08/11/22 06:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mycosis said: Not at all saying what he did was right but at least he attacked people that are equipped and trained to get it on with him unlike the sickos that attack elementary schools and churches and grocery stores.
That's a good point. He brought a nail gun to a gunfight, and he didn't even have the good sense to bring his posse. Some would call this an attack, but it was clearly suicide. I guess now that Biden is in office, Trump supporters are giving up on life.
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ballsalsa said: I don't understand the nail gun at all. Allegedly, he had an AR-15 and fired shots from his vehicle from an unspecified weapon. What was the nail gun supposed to be for in the first place?
He clearly wanted to nail them for what they did to President Trump. This man was not out to kill anybody. Look, if nobody stands up to these tyrants, while they run around harassing American heroes, America will cease to be exceptional.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] 1
#27899517 - 08/11/22 07:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: So apparently the raid concerned classified military secrets about nuclear weapons.
Trump signed a law making the removal of classified material a felony. They have to prosecute him. It’s his own fucking law.
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18 U.S. Code §1924.
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
signed donald trump.

This is funny to you? 
Donald might go to Federal fucking prison. Do you know what Federal prison is like for people who aren't Mexican? He doesn't even SPEAK Mexican. He tried to build a WALL to keep Mexicans in their place!
This does not bode well for our former commander in chief. Not one bit.
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The Blind Ass said: I wonder if he’s going to get assasinated….if he really did steal nuclear secrets then that can only mean 1 or 2 things when it comes to a person like Donald J. Trump.
Holy shizicks.
Somewhere along the line, it became apparent that Donald J Trump had come down with a serious case of Sovienza... probably from that commie wife of his.
It's no wonder he stole the nuclear codes.
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Brian Jones said: LOL, I was thinking about that all day, and wondering how to spell it the way he pronounced it. You're "5izif" is good, or maybe "5izith".
Definitely 5izif!
Fee fi fo FIF!
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#27900704 - 08/12/22 01:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Wow. Just fucking nuts. What happens from here will set a powerful precedent. Is it possible that a former president could be locked up in Federal prison? I like to think it should be possible, but I wonder what is going to happen. Will he be fined, and allowed to go on his marry way? I wonder.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] 1
#27900996 - 08/12/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: She’s not a leftist. She’s a former professional homophobe
When whe was still young working with her dad. People are allowed to change.
She hasn’t. She’s still a garbage human
Your bias is showing.
You would hate Tulsi even without knowing her "dirty little secret", because you are not a progressive. The truth is she is a fantastic candidate, and if I remember correctly, Tucker Carlson was one of the only newspeople who gave Bernie any sort of positive coverage. The only conclusion I can surmise is that Fox News is of the mind that promoting the far left will negatively impact the party. They are likely correct, because the more legitimate progressives seek political power, the more undemocratic the "Democratic" party becomes.
I, for instance, have lost faith in the Democratic party, to the point I didn't even bother to vote in the last primary, or general elections, and probably won't until I see something change. The underhanded, downright dirty tricks the Democratic party has been playing in the past two primaries disenfranchises a very significant portion of their potential base, and is utterly fucking disgusting, and quite unsettling.
I have noticed that in advertising, often a sub-par product will label itself as precisely the thing that it is not, such as "Milwaukee's Best". The "Democratic" party is the least "Democratic" party in American politics.
I too thought of Clinton's server, the moment I caught wind of this story. It seems to me to be a very adequate comparison. I don't like the idea of a multi-tiered judicial system. We have known for quite some time that "justice" in America is not "Blind" as they say, as evidenced by black lives matter, and the way Wall Street executives were treated, in the aftermath of the recession. This is just one more example of a disturbing trend toward an ever more tyranical reality for the American people.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#27901007 - 08/12/22 04:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: They were emailed to her. It was an email server.
Doesn’t matter. What happened to Hillary Clinton is completely irrelevant to what happens to Trump. His legal jeopardy is not contingent upon Hillary Clinton.
Was it legal?
NO!
Her illegal use of a personal server created a situation in which information was necessarily, and consequently mishandled.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#27901014 - 08/12/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I’ve never liked her. I could tell she was a fake lefty from day 1. What kind of anti war candidate is down for killing Muslims? She’s a cunt
I dunno... From a heterosexual point of view.. She's wonderful.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I must admit, I too have a bias...
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#27901019 - 08/12/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: She’s out there complaining about the FBI raid on Trump. Has she ever said a word about the people killed in police raids based on fake intelligence?
This is a raid on the former PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Of course it is far more likely she would speak on this subject, as opposed to some random and highly specific unrelated topic that you have chosen as a borometer for her leftiness.
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#27901023 - 08/12/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: They were emailed to her. It was an email server.
Doesn’t matter. What happened to Hillary Clinton is completely irrelevant to what happens to Trump. His legal jeopardy is not contingent upon Hillary Clinton.
Was it legal?
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Her illegal use of a personal server created a situation in which information was necessarily, and consequently mishandled.
The personal server was not illegal. The irony of this whole situation is while Clinton was running her server, the state department server was actually hacked by China. They had to shut down the whole system and people ended up having to use fucking yahoo mail. Her server was never hacked.
Clinton's use of a personal server was not legal. Clinton having sensitive documents on that server were not legal. Hacked or not, she should have been storing her information in the correct, and legal place.
We have laws in this country, and I fucking DETEST many of them. I am still required to follow them, and Clinton should be required to do the same.
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