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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
    #27029145 - 11/08/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Who's "he"?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029155 - 11/08/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And it's not favorable, it makes perjury written by Trump more likely.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029165 - 11/08/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

if you want to start another thread about the Mueller Report, the redacted one that the whole world has access to, you could

i think the original question about the Mueller report was 'did Trump employ/capitalize/scheme to 'accept help from foreign governments' in the 2016 election?' or 'interference' and 'collusion'

yes, he did


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: falcon]
    #27029332 - 11/08/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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He said he'd release the whole thing, he could have just done it. I meant what I said.



Unfortunately, "the judge ruled that the government was right to redact much of the Mueller report under separate exemptions that are designed to protect the integrity of ongoing investigations, law enforcement techniques and procedures, and individuals’ privacy."

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And it's not favorable, it makes perjury written by Trump more likely.



How so.  Can you explain?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029358 - 11/08/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Read the links you posted.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: falcon]
    #27029379 - 11/08/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I did.  I'd like to ensure we're talking about the same thing before a sumbit a reply.

I'll even help you.  Was it this tweet mentioned in the AlterNet report?

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1295907657589628929


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029432 - 11/09/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Russia?  Wasn't that debunked by the release of his returns?

I guess one can always hope they weren't tricked for four straight years.  :shrug:



No it wasn't links to opinion pieces don't count as debunking.



The New York Times got a hold of Trump's tax returns and didn't find anything shady with Russia.

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Mueller did however specifically state he could charge the president after he left office for blackmailing Ukraine with taxpayer dollars



That's the first time I've heard that.  Source?



No links in his tax returns doesn't mean he didnt hold up aid to Ukraine under the conditions of influencing the US electoral system. I remember this conversation when we discussed the Mueller report but you were too busy denying it across the board. Robert Muller came to the conclusion BEFORE his investigation started that he couldn't indict a sitting president but he did find sufficient evidence for obstruction of justice or witness tampering and a total of 8 felonies involving g the 2016 election. When Mueller made a rare statement saying his report did not exonerate the president he also mentioned that he could not indict a sitting president but after he leaves office they could.


Here's one of many sources (won't do all your research for you)
https://www.justsecurity.org/65772/yes-trump-could-be-indicted-if-he-leaves-office-in-2021-but-is-that-likely/ Like I said it's unlikely he will be charged because frankly it's a stain on our democracy but I knew this before I pulled this article up because I remember when it happened. So yes, he could be charged technically this article says in part
If there is one lesson to draw from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report and congressional testimony, it is not that the president has been exonerated. Mueller compiled compelling evidence that the president engaged in conduct that likely could have been charged as obstruction of justice or witness tampering. However, the special counsel did not consider whether Trump should be indicted for obstructing the Russia investigation because he was bound by Department of Justice policy stating that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Similar calculations reportedly factored into the decision by federal prosecutors in New York to close an investigation into potential campaign finance crimes and related offenses that directly implicated the president. In that case, the publicly available evidence also does not exonerate the president. Instead, there is compelling evidence that the president personally committed up to eight federal criminal offenses while participating in and covering up a scheme to suppress negative stories about him from impacting the 2016 election.

Here's more links that echo a similar sentiment


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/07/trump-vulnerable-he-faces-lawsuits-without-presidential-immunity/6056288002/

https://en.as.com/en/2020/11/07/latest_news/1604785919_783450.html


https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/trump-election-crimes-prosecution/


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #27029446 - 11/09/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So nothing about Russia collusion?

I realize Trump was accused of withholding aid to Ukraine to get them to announce an investigation into Joe Biden.

The part I was asking about was "blackmailing Ukraine with taxpayer dollars".  How many taxpayer dollars did it cost for Trump to withhold aid?

Maybe you just worded it poorly?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029500 - 11/09/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you seriously think the NY investigations are not going to gain traction now that everything has changed?



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How are you not aware that NY investigators supoenaed trumps financial records as part of a criminal investigation?



Which investigations?  The ones that started 10 years ago?



The one that supoenaed trump’s financials.


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It’s a shame trump lied when he said he would declassify everything related to the Russia investigation. The unredacted mueller report would be interesting to see. It’s funny how Falcon doesn’t seem to care about those lies trump tells. It’s even funnier Falcon believed him.



Yeah that was something he could have done without commentary, on the bright side there's a glut of suckers.



Do you mean the one that finally got released right before the election, that the mainstream media didn't want to cover?

New: Mueller Investigated Julian Assange, WikiLeaks, And Roger Stone For DNC Hacks

'Mind-blowing' passages released from unsealed Mueller report on eve of Election Day




No. He said “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions

That has not happened. He said they would be declassified without redactions. What we got was fewer redactions. Trump flat out lied. Why do you make excuses for it? Why did you believe him in the first place?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
    #27029511 - 11/09/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That's because he chooses which parts come out.



Same thing he wants to do with last weeks voting. He wants his votes counted.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27029523 - 11/09/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So nothing about Russia collusion?

I realize Trump was accused of withholding aid to Ukraine to get them to announce an investigation into Joe Biden.

The part I was asking about was "blackmailing Ukraine with taxpayer dollars".  How many taxpayer dollars did it cost for Trump to withhold aid?

Maybe you just worded it poorly?



Where exactly does the money he was holding up aid come from then? And even if it's not taxpayer money it's still ridiculously stupid for any president.


Anyways good riddance and we won't be talking about Trump in less then a year so get it out little buddy


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #27029575 - 11/09/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #27029936 - 11/09/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Which investigations?  The ones that started 10 years ago?



The one that supoenaed trump’s financials.



Ya, the one that started 10 years ago.

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Do you mean the one that finally got released right before the election, that the mainstream media didn't want to cover?

New: Mueller Investigated Julian Assange, WikiLeaks, And Roger Stone For DNC Hacks

'Mind-blowing' passages released from unsealed Mueller report on eve of Election Day



No. He said “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions

That has not happened.



The more that comes out, the more of a hoax we realize this whole thing was.  You may have missed this ruling by a judge, who "ruled that the government was right to redact much of the Mueller report under separate exemptions that are designed to protect the integrity of ongoing investigations, law enforcement techniques and procedures, and individuals’ privacy."


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27029947 - 11/09/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That court didn't and can't stop Trump from releasing the whole report.  Why can't trump keep his promises?  Why did you vote for a man who lies so fucking much?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27030627 - 11/09/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I did.  I'd like to ensure we're talking about the same thing before a sumbit a reply.

I'll even help you.  Was it this tweet mentioned in the AlterNet report?

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1295907657589628929





It's  that he didn't release the whole thing when he said he would. Till then I'm going with he's guilty of anything he's accused of, he said it would exonerate him and he would release it and he didn't.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: falcon]
    #27030812 - 11/09/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Gotta love trump taking credit for the promising new covid vaccine data released by pfizer. Pfizer has not received funding from the government thus far for developing this. US government will be helping with mass production though.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-celebrates-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-but-government-didnt-fund-2020-11


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    #27030832 - 11/09/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27031616 - 11/10/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Who's "he"?




He is the person who said he would declassify with no redactions, but we only seem to get no redactions where he looks good.

Where is the mueller report with no redactions? I guess trumps tweet was make believe.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27031627 - 11/10/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Which investigations?  The ones that started 10 years ago?



The one that supoenaed trump’s financials.



Ya, the one that started 10 years ago




What the fuck are you even talking about?

New York State investigators supoenaed trumps tax and financial documents as part of an investigation. We don’t know exactly what they are investigating but it’s not from ten years ago. Trump claimed he was immune from being investigated. The Supreme Court said no he’s not. The prosecutors tried again to get the documents and again trump has taken it to the Supreme Court. Now you are up to date.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #27031861 - 11/10/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The more of the report that comes out, the more favorable it is towards Trump.  Read the links I just posted.



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That's because he chooses which parts come out.



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Who's "he"?



He is the person who said he would declassify with no redactions, but we only seem to get no redactions where he looks good.



Source, or make believe?  My source said the redactions were determined by a judge.


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