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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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It must be awesome to be Jewish. You're more likely to be rich and enjoy all the benefits of "white privilege". If there's any question about your status you fall back on your history and point out that you're not actually white but you're Jewish. A persecuted minority. You get to play both of sides of the coin  :lol:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
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It must be awesome to be white.  You're more likely to be rich and enjoy all of the benefits of black oppression, and if there's any question about your status, you can always just point out that you never personally owned slaves and that some of your best friends are black.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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My ancestors at the time fought and died for slavery to end . What else do I owe society for my good good fortune ?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
It must be awesome to be white.  You're more likely to be rich and enjoy all of the benefits of black oppression, and if there's any question about your status, you can always just point out that you never personally owned slaves and that some of your best friends are black.



Whats black oppression, and if it does indeed occur how do white people as a whole benefit it from it and not the ones personally doing it?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Owe?  Nothing.  If, however, you want to be a part of the solution to societal problems, there is much you can do to help with that.  If you are perfectly happy with the way things are, feel free to enjoy your privilege.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Aside from being a huge dick to the people who see it the opposite way I don’t know what else I can do but I feel like society as a whole expects more from me  than that .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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MagicMush123 said:
Enlil said:
It must be awesome to be white.  You're more likely to be rich and enjoy all of the benefits of black oppression, and if there's any question about your status, you can always just point out that you never personally owned slaves and that some of your best friends are black.



Whats black oppression, and if it does indeed occur how do white people as a whole benefit it from it and not the ones personally doing it?



Black oppression is the million different ways that white people are favored in this nation and black people are burdened.

When you apply for a job, you don't have to worry that your name sounds too ethnic for a job interview.  If you get an interview, you don't have to overcome centuries of stereotypes and work to make the interviewer see you as one of the "good blacks."  When you walk in a room, you're just a guy in the room instead of a black guy in the room.  When you're not pulled over for being in a nice car because it makes sense that a white person would be in a nice car.

There are literally countless ways that white people benefit from black oppression.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
Aside from being a huge dick to the people who see it the opposite way I don’t know what else I can do but I feel like society as a whole expects more from me  than that .



That's probably counterproductive.  Most racism isn't based on hate.  Being a dick to someone who is racist from hate is fine, but for those who are just racist from ignorance, you're better off trying to reach them and reason with them.  Ignorance isn't the same as malice, and we all start off ignorant.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Here's a good documentary of the racism and bias of facebook content moderators.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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you're better off trying to reach them and reason with them.  Ignorance isn't the same as malice, a



 
  Have you ever convinced a person you were have a problem with posting racist shit here to stop through reasoning ? Or have you had to ban every single one ?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
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Meh.  Right wing advocacy groups aren't really a good source for unbiased information about racism.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
MagicMush123 said:
Enlil said:
It must be awesome to be white.  You're more likely to be rich and enjoy all of the benefits of black oppression, and if there's any question about your status, you can always just point out that you never personally owned slaves and that some of your best friends are black.



Whats black oppression, and if it does indeed occur how do white people as a whole benefit it from it and not the ones personally doing it?



Black oppression is the million different ways that white people are favored in this nation and black people are burdened.

When you apply for a job, you don't have to worry that your name sounds too ethnic for a job interview.  If you get an interview, you don't have to overcome centuries of stereotypes and work to make the interviewer see you as one of the "good blacks."  When you walk in a room, you're just a guy in the room instead of a black guy in the room.  When you're not pulled over for being in a nice car because it makes sense that a white person would be in a nice car.

There are literally countless ways that white people benefit from black oppression.



Ok, so you're saying that white people benefit from other white people and thats black oppression.
Is it possible that in 2020 that simply blacks act in a way that is not favorable to most people and in turn make people wary of them? Maybe black people don't do well as a group not because of their skin color but by their actions? You can't tell me that in 2020 black people simply do bad because of their skin color
Asian Americans do well as a group. Im sure Asian sounding names do not get thrown away by interviewers. Why is that? Is that because asians as a group generally act civil and are seen as generally competent? Or is it as simple as they are held to a high regard because of their light skin color :lol:
I think at this point in time people are being judged by their actions and not their skin color

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
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you're better off trying to reach them and reason with them.  Ignorance isn't the same as malice, a



 
  Have you ever convinced a person you were have a problem with posting racist shit here to stop through reasoning ? Or have you had to ban every single one ?



I've banned very few of them, actually.  Most of them cut the shit in this forum, but they end up getting banned for posting the same kind of shit in the pub.  This forum is way more tolerant of racist views than the pub.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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MagicMush123 said:
Enlil said:
Can you not read?  I specifically addressed this and pointed out that this, too, is a product of systemic racism.



And yet you have to pull teeth to get anyone to talk about it. Yet, nowadays you cant go a day without hearing about the plight of the black man and him being a  perpetual victim of the system



Yes, one does have to pull teeth to get anyone to address it because it conflicts with their world view.  Every time I have pointed out the massive over-representation of Jews in positions of power or wealth, I get that they just have a culture that behaves better than the rest of the other demographics. Yet, that same line of reasoning isn't applied for the minority groups they claim are victims of the system.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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MagicMush123 said:
Is it possible that in 2020 that simply blacks act in a way that is not favorable to most people and in turn make people wary of them? Maybe black people don't do well as a group not because of their skin color but by their actions? You can't tell me that in 2020 black people simply do bad because of their skin color
Asian Americans do well as a group. Im sure Asian sounding names do not get thrown away by interviewers. Why is that? Is that because asians as a group generally act civil and are seen as generally competent? Or is it as simple as they are held to a high regard because of their light skin color :lol:
I think at this point in time people are being judged by their actions and not their skin color



You don't think that people's conduct is influenced by environment?  People raised in a world stacked against them are going to act differently from people not raised in that environment.  If, from birth, you were always looked at as the lesser, you don't think that would affect your conduct throughout your life?  If you grew up knowing that you'd always be presumed guilty of something, that wouldn't have an effect?

You're taking a snapshot of how people are today and just assuming that it's the way it is without looking at the root causes.  Instead, you should be asking:

1. How did it get this way? and
2. How do we turn it around?

But both of those questions only matter if you're willing not to have the advantages that you have as a white man.  I get that you have a strong incentive to not want things changed, but a good portion of us want a better society that offers everyone equal opportunities to succeed, even if it means we lose an advantage.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
People raised in a world stacked against them are going to act differently from people not raised in that environment.  If, from birth, you were always looked at as the lesser, you don't think that would affect your conduct throughout your life?  If you grew up knowing that you'd always be presumed guilty of something, that wouldn't have an effect?



Many black-skinned children are taught and warned they will be seen by white-skinned people as "lesser" and that just leaving the house or driving a car very well might get you killed by white-skinned people. This is the story that black-skinned children have been told for decades. If you were taught this from childhood, you'd be racist against white-skinned people. Until we address the racism of black-skinned people also, we ain't going nowhere.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
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That's all a part of it.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Enlil said:
People raised in a world stacked against them are going to act differently from people not raised in that environment.  If, from birth, you were always looked at as the lesser, you don't think that would affect your conduct throughout your life?  If you grew up knowing that you'd always be presumed guilty of something, that wouldn't have an effect?



Many black-skinned children are taught and warned they will be seen by white-skinned people as "lesser" and that just leaving the house or driving a car very well might get you killed by white-skinned people. This is the story that black-skinned children have been told for decades. If you were taught this from childhood, you'd be racist against white-skinned people. Until we address the racism of black-skinned people also, we ain't going nowhere.



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
It must be awesome to be Jewish. You're more likely to be rich and enjoy all the benefits of "white privilege". If there's any question about your status you fall back on your history and point out that you're not actually white but you're Jewish. A persecuted minority. You get to play both of sides of the coin  :lol:



What do you mean not white? Most Jews are white. What a bizarre thing to say.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
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Ok, so you're saying that white people benefit from other white people and thats black oppression.



That is white privelege. You finally got it!


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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