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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
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What you call "lingering effects" is systemic.  Until those effects are neutralized, we have a systemic racism problem.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
America has systemic racism.  To deny that is to be willfully ignorant.  You really think that African Americans just happen to be over-represented in prisons, underrepresented in corporate boardrooms, and statistically of a lower socioeconomic class by coincidence?


Why are Jewish Americans underrepresented in prisons, massively over represented in corporate boardrooms and on the high end of the socioeconomic scale?  Systemic racism or behavior, because anytime anyone questions the results, the common answer from people that demand equality is behavior is the rational for the result in the case of Jewish Americans.

Edited by qman (07/27/20 10:28 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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I don't know that those are true of Jewish Americans.  Do you have a source?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
What you call "lingering effects" is systemic.  Until those effects are neutralized, we have a systemic racism problem.



Do I think its a coincidence that blacks are poorer from lingering effects of oppression or systemic racism, no. I said now, in 2020 there is no systemic racism towards blacks, and didn't say it was always like that

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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How are your "lingering effects" different from systemic racism?  To me, they sound the same.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Enlil said:
What you call "lingering effects" is systemic.  Until those effects are neutralized, we have a systemic racism problem.



Do I think its a coincidence that blacks are poorer from lingering effects of oppression or systemic racism, no. I said now, in 2020 there is no systemic racism towards blacks, and didn't say it was always like that


Ok, you changed your quote after i quoted it.

So you admit that now there is no systemic racism and its lingering effects from past discrimination? Ok, i get behind that. How do you neutralize those effects without giving them outright privileges? Isnt time the best remedy?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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systemic means that it is built into the system.  It doesn't require a vast conspiracy of millions of racists acting in concert.  "lingering effects" of widespread racism IS systemic racism.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
systemic means that it is built into the system.  It doesn't require a vast conspiracy of millions of racists acting in concert.  "lingering effects" of widespread racism IS systemic racism.


The only way to fix it is through education and time. There's no laws that keep blacks down. Educated people = less racist people and the more time that goes on the more people forget about the past. Its all happening now as we speak and it will sort itself out in the long run.
But right now you cannot demonize whites for the past and you cannot give blacks special privileges

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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when did I demonize whites?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
when did I demonize whites?


Honestly i thought it was obvious that wasn't meant for you

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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No one is demonizing whites.  Systemic racism is systemic.  It's not a white thing or a black thing.  It's a systemic thing.  That's the whole point.  Whites aren't to blame any more than blacks are.  We all share the responsibility of acknowledging the problem and working to fix it.  It just happens to be the case that a lot of white people haven't acknowledged it yet.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
ballsalsa said:
when did I demonize whites?


Honestly i thought it was obvious that wasn't meant for you


Who is demonizing whites?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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MagicMush123 said:
The only way to fix it is through education and time.


There are many proposed ways of fixing aspects of it.  One way is through a vast reduction in funding and responsibility for the currently mistrained and mismanaged police forces throughout the country.  This can minimize the damage while we hire and train new LEOs to replace the remainder.  With the monetary savings we can invest in our communities in ways that help ameliorate the problems that we currently send armed thugs to bash heads over.  Education is one of those things that can be properly funded via defunding vastly overinflated police budgets

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I don't know that those are true of Jewish Americans.  Do you have a source?


I can't find any recent sources on the incarceration rates based on ethnicity/religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion ;

Jews #1 for income and wealth.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
No one is demonizing whites.  Systemic racism is systemic.  It's not a white thing or a black thing.  It's a systemic thing.  That's the whole point.  Whites aren't to blame any more than blacks are.  We all share the responsibility of acknowledging the problem and working to fix it.  It just happens to be the case that a lot of white people haven't acknowledged it yet.


So how do we fix it without giving special privileges to minorities?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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I wish I was a jew. :awepreciation:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ovoidhunter]
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Pull yourself up by your bootstraps


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Enlil said:
No one is demonizing whites.  Systemic racism is systemic.  It's not a white thing or a black thing.  It's a systemic thing.  That's the whole point.  Whites aren't to blame any more than blacks are.  We all share the responsibility of acknowledging the problem and working to fix it.  It just happens to be the case that a lot of white people haven't acknowledged it yet.


So how do we fix it without giving special privileges to minorities?


Define "special."


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Lol im joking. Unlike alot of people nowadays im comfortable in my white skin. I also have native american in me so I am more tan than your average white guy. It wouldve been nice to be born into a wealthy jewish family tho.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ovoidhunter]
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i just wanted love

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