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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 2
    #26704851 - 05/29/20 04:39 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

why is there still discussions on masks?

N95 protects you

Everything else protects others


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26704887 - 05/29/20 04:55 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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China didn’t take over Hong Kong, slap hundreds of billions in tariffs on US agriculture and spread a pandemic around the world until Trump was president. He’s a total failure on China. You know it. He’s a loser.



China invaded Tibet, took political control over HK, threatened Taiwan, crushed the Tienamen revolt, bullied others in the Paracels, censored the web, suppressed Falun Gong without Trump being president and all US presidents since Nixon failed to stop them. You know it. They are all losers.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26704905 - 05/29/20 05:05 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

The political turnover of Hong Kong was by treaty. The takeover of Hong Kong was because the US is led by a man who has demonstrated over and over again his weakness to the point where China has decided the US won’t be able to do anything about it. He’s a feckless blowhard who has let China walk all over him for three years.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26704939 - 05/29/20 05:22 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)



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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26704948 - 05/29/20 05:27 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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The political turnover of Hong Kong was by treaty. The takeover of Hong Kong was because the US is led by a man who has demonstrated over and over again his weakness to the point where China has decided the US won’t be able to do anything about it. He’s a feckless blowhard who has let China walk all over him for three years.



Few years back China enforced control over international waters in the South Sea and started building artificial reefs and military installations (ports, airstrips, garrisons) on the disputed islands. They also ignored the International Tribunal ruling against them. All this happened during Obama's tenure at the WH.

Question: do you, koods, think that Obama was a feckless blowhard because he failed to stop it?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
    #26704960 - 05/29/20 05:33 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trumpn-tiananmen-square-massacre-china-showed-power-of-strength-2019-6




Some quotes from the linked article:

“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength.”

“That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak…as being spit on by the rest of the world.”


This aligns with my analysis above. China does "vicious", "horrible" things but they have the strength to make them immune to the international outrage. The West is weak, fractured, engaged in disputes and unable to stop China.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26705007 - 05/29/20 05:50 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

The economic growth of China accelerated after being admitted to the WTO in 2000. This lead to the loss of heavy industry in the US and chronic trade deficits. It gave the Tienanmen butchers the political legitimacy they had craved and exposed the World to their economic expansion. You know it.

Question: do you, koods, believe that Bill Clinton who sponsored the China's WTO bid is a feckless blowhard?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26705016 - 05/29/20 05:55 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Well here we go. general Flynn negotiating with the Russians in violation of the Logan act: and trump knew. Obamagate my ass.



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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26705116 - 05/29/20 06:37 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

The relentless efficiency of the China's expansion is frightening. The only hope is that by the time they decide to formally dominate their sphere of influence the people of China will find a voice to advocate humanitarian values. China has been replacing the old colonial powers as the sponsor of the Pacific Island countries. They were buying favours, granting loans, funding and building the infrastructure and settling their nationals in Samoa, Cook Islands, Fiji etc for over a decade now. When the time is right they will just announce that a protectorate type relationship with the Motherland is required to keep the goodies coming and small players like Tulagi will fold. When China gets a foothold in the deep Pacific the South Sea scenario will play out again - the military expansion, territorial waters exclusions, effective control. Watch this space.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/world/australia/china-tulagi-solomon-islands-pacific.html


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26705133 - 05/29/20 06:43 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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The political turnover of Hong Kong was by treaty. The takeover of Hong Kong was because the US is led by a man who has demonstrated over and over again his weakness to the point where China has decided the US won’t be able to do anything about it. He’s a feckless blowhard who has let China walk all over him for three years.



Trump's weak and let hong Kong happen? Are you serious? If trumps so weak and china steps on him, why did trump sign legislation in March that requires the State Department to provide Congress with a report on steps to strengthen Taiwan's diplomatic relations and mandates the U.S. to "alter" engagement with countries that undercut the island's security? Sounds like standing up to china to me


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #26705177 - 05/29/20 06:59 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Was he going to veto it?

Trump is a pushover. He was praising China in January for their handling of the virus even though his advisers were telling him they weren’t telling the truth because he’s so desperate to get a trade deal. He’s so obsessed with being a dealmaker people walk all over him.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26705212 - 05/29/20 07:10 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Was he going to veto it?

Trump is a pushover. He was praising China in January for their handling of the virus even though his advisers were telling him they weren’t telling the truth because he’s so desperate to get a trade deal. He’s so obsessed with being a dealmaker people walk all over him.



Do you think that Obama was also a pushover for failing to stop China's military expansion in the Paracels?


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Re: ORANGE CHIMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26705232 - 05/29/20 07:17 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Whatabout-ism much?

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Re: ORANGE CHIMP 2020 [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26705254 - 05/29/20 07:24 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

More like trying to establish consistent standards. Anyways - what is your view? A post longer than one line would be even more impressive


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26705260 - 05/29/20 07:29 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Well here we go. general Flynn negotiating with the Russians in violation of the Logan act: and trump knew. Obamagate my ass.






So nothing new that we didn't already know before?  Flynn wanted better relations with Russia and to partner with them against terrorist threats in the Middle East?

Here's what Flynn said right before the part you quoted:

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Do not let this administration (the Obama administration) box us in right now, okay?  Depending on what actions they take over this current issue of the cyber stuff, where they're looking like they're gonna dismiss some number of Russians out of the country, but I would ask Russia to only make it reciprocal. Don't make it go any further than you have to. Because I don't want us to get into something that has to escalate on a tit for tat.

We don't need that right now, we need cool heads to prevail, and we need to be very steady about what we're going to do because we have absolutely a common threat in the Middle East right now.





What exactly do you think he negotiated?  "I would ask Russia..." is not a negotiation.

Do you think the incoming National Security Advisor asking Russia not escalate is criminal?


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Re: ORANGE CHIMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26705282 - 05/29/20 07:37 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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More like trying to establish consistent standards. Anyways - what is your view? A post longer than one line would be even more impressive




Trump campaigned on being tough with China so the standards don’t need to be consistent. Also the Chinese didn’t take control of one of the largest cities in the world when Obama was president.


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    #26705287 - 05/29/20 07:40 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Well here we go. general Flynn negotiating with the Russians in violation of the Logan act: and trump knew. Obamagate my ass.






So nothing new that we didn't already know before?  Flynn wanted better relations with Russia and to partner with them against terrorist threats in the Middle East?

Here's what Flynn said right before the part you quoted:

Quote:

Do not let this administration (the Obama administration) box us in right now, okay?  Depending on what actions they take over this current issue of the cyber stuff, where they're looking like they're gonna dismiss some number of Russians out of the country, but I would ask Russia to only make it reciprocal. Don't make it go any further than you have to. Because I don't want us to get into something that has to escalate on a tit for tat.

We don't need that right now, we need cool heads to prevail, and we need to be very steady about what we're going to do because we have absolutely a common threat in the Middle East right now.





What exactly do you think he negotiated?  "I would ask Russia..." is not a negotiation.

Do you think the incoming National Security Advisor asking Russia not escalate is criminal?




If you already knew he was violating the law, then why have you been protesting his conviction. Btw, he wasn’t even charged with violating the Logan act because it was a close call if this was a violation or not, but when the fbi decided to ask him about it he lied.


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    #26705297 - 05/29/20 07:42 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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More like trying to establish consistent standards. Anyways - what is your view? A post longer than one line would be even more impressive




Trump campaigned on being tough with China so the standards don’t need to be consistent. Also the Chinese didn’t take control of one of the largest cities in the world when Obama was president.



You have not answered my question


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    #26705307 - 05/29/20 07:45 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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What exactly do you think he negotiated?  "I would ask Russia..." is not a negotiation.

Do you think the incoming National Security Advisor asking Russia not escalate is criminal?



If you already knew he was violating the law, then why have you been protesting his conviction. Btw, he wasn’t even charged with violating the Logan act because it was a close call if this was a violation or not, but when the fbi decided to ask him about it he lied.



No, I'm saying he didn't violate the law, because you couldn't tell me anything that was negotiated.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26705336 - 05/29/20 07:53 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

he made an offer, he was negotiating, this was more than a how do you do


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