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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26702977 - 05/28/20 11:18 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Of course, I realize this doesn't prove anything, but Trump never accused Scarborough of murder.  He simply asked whether there would be an investigation




Of course, I realize this doesn't prove anything, but Trump never accused Scarborough of murder.  He simply asked whether there would be an investigation




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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 2
    #26703678 - 05/29/20 07:19 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Looks like Twitter has had enough of trump



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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26703682 - 05/29/20 07:22 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Twitter has hidden a tweet by U.S. President Donald Trump because the platform says
“it violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence”.
https://deadline.com/2020/05/twitter-flags-donald-trump-looting-shooting-tweet-as-glorifying-violence-1202946319/

What's he even doing up at 1AM anyway?
Oldman should be getting his beauty sleep. :clown:

Here's the Fox version of this "censorship", lol
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-cracks-down-on-trumps-minneapolis-tweet-says-it-glorifies-violence

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26703745 - 05/29/20 07:51 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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He sort of implied it.  In a way - Knowing that special part of his constituency would take it as matter of fact in a wink wink kind of way.
It was a total dick move regardless.    The attention drawn to it wasn’t innocent.  Incendiary political attack.




Exactly, he's not quite as stupid as he has us convinced. His followers are even stupider.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26704151 - 05/29/20 10:08 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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That is referring to medical grade masks.

Here’s their guidance on non medical masks:

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The use of masks made of other materials (e.g., cotton fabric), also known as nonmedical masks, in the community setting has not been well evaluated. There is no current evidence to make a recommendation for or against their use.
WHO is collaborating with research and development partners to better understand the effectiveness and efficiency of nonmedical masks. WHO is also strongly encouraging countries that issue recommendations for the use of masks in healthy people in the community to conduct research on this critical topic. WHO will update its guidance when new evidence becomes available.







I feel like this is a bold faced lie. (not by you Koods).

There are numerous studies from several years ago that show cloth masks are ineffective, and often times wearing a cloth mask resulted with negative effects.  No one is going to convince me that science has advanced so much in the past 5 years that we will suddenly see something different, which is why the mandatory cloth mandates are a joke, the WHO is a joke.

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles

Cloth masks: Dangerous to your health?

These are just the 1st 3 results, if you set the google dates for up to 2019 to avoid COVID related stories you will get plenty of results.




I read those links, as best I could. I had two thoughts. First, they're comparing the efficacy of cloth and other masks to ideal medical masks. The latter were in short supply then as now, so that's a bit of a rigged comparison. If we don't have the ideal mask for everyone everyday, what are the alternatives.

Second, to my understanding these studies were looking at masks defending the wearer (I may be wrong). I'm thinking that the current use of masks by the general public is intended as much if not more, to defend others from the wearer of the mask.




The 1st part I disagree with, availability of masks to the public doesn't change the results of the study.  The second part is a good point about studying the wearer of the masks, and not those around the wearer.  Personally I still believe that if my wearing of a cloth mask doesn't protect me, your mask does not enter the equation as the virus is everywhere, but I appreciate the objective viewpoints.

It looks like the WHO has updated their recommendations due to push back, I wonder if this will affect any of the states opinion on mandates? 

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If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks





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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: mandrin13]
    #26704169 - 05/29/20 10:17 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

They are talking about medical grade masks to prevent the wearer from getting infected


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 2
    #26704184 - 05/29/20 10:21 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Wearing a non medical grade mask does not block the virus from moving one direction or the other. It does prevent the virus from being accelerated away from someone’s face. Try blowing out a candle wearing a mask and you’ll see what I’m talking about


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    #26704408 - 05/29/20 11:50 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: mandrin13]
    #26704430 - 05/29/20 11:57 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Yes. They are talking about medical grade masks. There is a separate section for non
Medical grade masks or cloth coverings.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink apparently


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26704440 - 05/29/20 12:00 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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mandrin13 said:
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koods said:
They are talking about medical grade masks to prevent the wearer from getting infected




Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public: When and how to use masks



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mandrin13 said:
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koods said:
They are talking about medical grade masks to prevent the wearer from getting infected




Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public: When and how to use masks



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Yes. They are talking about medical grade masks. There is a separate section for non
Medical grade masks or cloth coverings.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink apparently




Show me where the WHO recommends we wear cloth masks, but not medical.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: mandrin13]
    #26704448 - 05/29/20 12:02 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

It does not recommend it one way or another. It says there isn’t enough data. I already quoted that section.

I can’t help you with your poor reading compression. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26704462 - 05/29/20 12:08 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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It does not recommend it one way or another. It says there isn’t enough data. I already quoted that section.

I can’t help you with your poor reading compression. 🤷‍♂️




Right, you posted their claim that there was no studies on cloth masks that I already called out. 

TODAY, the WHO says there is no evidence medical masks protect people who are sick, which makes cloths masks an absolute joke.  point here, being m ore supoprt that cloth masks are a joke.  So as I said, I wonder if this new stance will have any impact on states/countries. 

edit: I did say they changed their recommendations which you are correct, it is the CDC who made the recommendation.  The WHO is reaffirming the mandatory cloth masks are an over reaction.


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    #26704475 - 05/29/20 12:14 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

You sound extremely confused. It’s not that difficult. Cloth masks help prevent a sick person from infecting other people. That’s it. It doesn’t prevent the virus from leaving their faces, but it does keep the virus from being blown into other people’s faces. It’s a wind breaker. Got it?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26704478 - 05/29/20 12:14 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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You sound extremely confused. It’s not that difficult. Cloth masks help prevent a sick person from infecting other people. That’s it. It doesn’t prevent the virus from leaving their faces, but it does keep the virus from being blown into other people’s faces. It’s a wind breaker. Got it?





No cloth masks don't do that, it is just what you were told and want to believe.  Keep ignoring the science your cute metaphors will suffice.  I am glad they make you feel safer, at least we can agree they have a positive effect on some people in that regard.


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    #26704484 - 05/29/20 12:18 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

This is why mask wearing should be mandatory. Some people are just to ignorant to negotiate with.



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    #26704526 - 05/29/20 12:33 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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This is why mask wearing should be mandatory. Some people are just to ignorant to negotiate with.






You are showing a visual representation of why we should be having a discussion on medical mask studies and if their use should instead be mandatory.


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    #26704561 - 05/29/20 12:50 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Ok whatever you say. Just wear a mask.


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    #26704577 - 05/29/20 12:58 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

It’s really stunning how China has taken advantage of Trumps weakness.


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    #26704791 - 05/29/20 02:20 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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It’s really stunning how China has taken advantage of Trumps weakness.



No more stunning than the way they took advantage of Obama and those before him. China has been in competition for global dominance for a few decades now - and they are winning. If anything Trump was the one willing to confront them and he had some success but the covid weakened the US and this is what China is taking advantage of now.

What makes China so tremendously effective - other than its size - is the fact that their regime is not subjected to elections and so can focus on long term strategic goal. The Communist Party will be there in 20 years so they do not have to overpower Taiwan right now. They will just chip away at the US economically and politically and wait for a weak president to do the dirty work.

Not saying this is the fault of Obama either. It is the fault of the Western political system which fosters internal political scraps culminating in a damaging spectacle of elections which undermines national unity. China has no political distractions of this kind and can focus on the relentless, methodical strengthening of its global position.

Their wickedly effective method is making countries dependent on them economically and then pressure them into submission by cutting off the trade. This is what Australia is going through at the moment and Pacific Islands will follow.

In the evolutionary competition between political systems constant internal turmoil - also known as democracy - is a liability. An authoritarian model will win if it can  generate enough national pride to take its people along. China is doing exactly this and they will not be stopped.

If you are wondering why Chinese people would see their country as superior just watch the news from the US. The (democratically elected) president was for years relentlessly undermined, mocked and humiliated by his political opponents and the media. At the moment the country is struggling for unity to contain the virus are there are riots in the streets. Wuhan is united and peaceful in comparison.

This may be the moment of global reckoning when sympathies, strategic plans and alliances are re-evaluated.


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    #26704797 - 05/29/20 02:22 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

China didn’t take over Hong Kong, slap hundreds of billions in tariffs on US agriculture and spread a pandemic around the world until Trump was president. He’s a total failure on China. You know it. He’s a loser.


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