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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26701323 - 05/28/20 11:28 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Eh, let's just flip a coin on national TV, like the lotto but for president.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
    #26701332 - 05/28/20 11:33 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

How do you all feel about this social media executive order? Is it overstepping?
Kinda hard to ignore the irony of the president signing an executive order to
censor, or even eliminate, a SM platform because he's afraid of them censoring and
fact checking him :lol:


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26701343 - 05/28/20 11:36 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

The executive order isn’t worthy of being called a sad joke.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26701402 - 05/28/20 11:56 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Where are you guys reading the text of the order?  To my knowledge, it hasn't been signed or published yet.  How do you know what it says without reading it?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26701415 - 05/28/20 12:01 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Twitter Inc. has begun inserting fact checking links to Trump's tweets when he spews bullshit. This according to that commie rag, The Wall Street Journal.



So can I now assume if there's no fact checker on Trump's tweets, then it must be true?  :shrug:

This was a stupid idea by Twitter.



How can you fact check a prediction?  Twitter are absolute numbskulls.  We know the media and social media are all run by anti-American Companies but it's just ridiculous how far they'll go to bury themselves in their own illogical ideologies.

Trump's secons term is going to hurt a lot of feelings.




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Twitter Inc. has begun inserting fact checking links to Trump's tweets when he spews bullshit. This according to that commie rag, The Wall Street Journal.



So can I now assume if there's no fact checker on Trump's tweets, then it is true?  :shrug:

This was a stupid idea by Twitter.




Personally, I go by the general rule that if Trump said it, there is a high likelihood it's a lie. I think that's empirically verifiable.

It may have been a stupid idea by Twitter. It opens them up to jeopardizing their neutral platform status which gave them liability protection.

I don't think it was a smart idea for Trump to address this through an executive order.

Whether it's Trump vs Twitter or Trump vs Kathy Griffin, both sides are just playing for maximum publicity. At least Griffin isn't pretending to be impartial.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
    #26701418 - 05/28/20 12:03 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Where are you guys reading the text of the order?  To my knowledge, it hasn't been signed or published yet.  How do you know what it says without reading it?




Given the history of Trump's threats, it was probably just an empty threat, and we'll never read the text.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26701425 - 05/28/20 12:06 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Context. Assumption based on context but I guess we'll all have to wait and
see the text; or maybe he was bluffing and this is a flex.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: natedawgnow] * 3
    #26701429 - 05/28/20 12:08 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Whoever writes the order will know how limited the executive order power is.  It's either going to have no teeth whatsoever, or it'll be wholly meaningless and unenforceable.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: mandrin13]
    #26701442 - 05/28/20 12:14 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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That is referring to medical grade masks.

Here’s their guidance on non medical masks:

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The use of masks made of other materials (e.g., cotton fabric), also known as nonmedical masks, in the community setting has not been well evaluated. There is no current evidence to make a recommendation for or against their use.
WHO is collaborating with research and development partners to better understand the effectiveness and efficiency of nonmedical masks. WHO is also strongly encouraging countries that issue recommendations for the use of masks in healthy people in the community to conduct research on this critical topic. WHO will update its guidance when new evidence becomes available.







I feel like this is a bold faced lie. (not by you Koods).

There are numerous studies from several years ago that show cloth masks are ineffective, and often times wearing a cloth mask resulted with negative effects.  No one is going to convince me that science has advanced so much in the past 5 years that we will suddenly see something different, which is why the mandatory cloth mandates are a joke, the WHO is a joke.

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles

Cloth masks: Dangerous to your health?

These are just the 1st 3 results, if you set the google dates for up to 2019 to avoid COVID related stories you will get plenty of results.




I read those links, as best I could. I had two thoughts. First, they're comparing the efficacy of cloth and other masks to ideal medical masks. The latter were in short supply then as now, so that's a bit of a rigged comparison. If we don't have the ideal mask for everyone everyday, what are the alternatives.

Second, to my understanding these studies were looking at masks defending the wearer (I may be wrong). I'm thinking that the current use of masks by the general public is intended as much if not more, to defend others from the wearer of the mask.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
    #26701551 - 05/28/20 01:02 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Where are you guys reading the text of the order?  To my knowledge, it hasn't been signed or published yet.  How do you know what it says without reading it?



I don't know if this is a real draft, I found it in a Google search:

https://techfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/EO-Preventing-Online-Censorship.pdf


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26701570 - 05/28/20 01:10 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

From the draft order above:

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Sec. 4. Federal Review of Unfair or Deceptive Practices. (a) It is the policy of the United States that large social media platforms, such as Twitter and Facebook, as the functional equivalent of a traditional public forum, should not infringe on protected speech.




I agree with that.  Though I understand some here think the more censorship we allow, the greater our free speech rights.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26701701 - 05/28/20 02:09 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Allowing Violent racist hate speech Or any speech that violates their user agreement could destroy their  company . It’s will turn Twitter into stormfront because everyone else will leave .
    Where’s the freedom in that ?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26701723 - 05/28/20 02:18 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Twitter already has a Hateful conduct policy.

I didn't see anything in the draft executive order saying Trump wanted to get rid of that.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26701732 - 05/28/20 02:21 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Would accusing a news anchor of murder without any evidence fall under the hateful conduct policy ?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26701758 - 05/28/20 02:36 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

To my knowledge, Trump simply asked whether there would be an investigation.

There's nothing wrong with investigating, if Enlil is correct, amiright?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26701819 - 05/28/20 03:06 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Twitter already has a Hateful conduct policy.

I didn't see anything in the draft executive order saying Trump wanted to get rid of that.



Because you didn't understand it.  You specifically quoted a portion that said that they should not infringe on protected speech.  Hate speech is protected speech.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26701837 - 05/28/20 03:18 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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To my knowledge, Trump simply asked whether there would be an investigation.

There's nothing wrong with investigating, if Enlil is correct, amiright?




It’s already been investigated. It’s a false accusation.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26701855 - 05/28/20 03:27 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Twitter already has a Hateful conduct policy.

I didn't see anything in the draft executive order saying Trump wanted to get rid of that.




You just posted it 🤦‍♂️

Sec. 4. Federal Review of Unfair or Deceptive Practices. (a) It is the policy of the United States that large social media platforms, such as Twitter and Facebook, as the functional equivalent of a traditional public forum, should not infringe on protected speech.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26701880 - 05/28/20 03:41 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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To my knowledge, Trump simply asked whether there would be an investigation.

There's nothing wrong with investigating, if Enlil is correct, amiright?




It’s already been investigated. It’s a false accusation.



Scarborough's been investigated?  Source, or make believe?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26701889 - 05/28/20 03:46 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Hate speech is protected speech.



Well then, I'm in favor of free speech on our largest social media platforms.  Just a personal opinion.


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