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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
    #26107693 - 07/14/19 11:32 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I don't see it.

They have speech restrictions and gun restrictions.

And the EU gives them laws too.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 4
    #26107697 - 07/14/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

That's because your idea of freedom is a bit fascist.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26107703 - 07/14/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Free speech and guns rights all day baby.

America


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL]
    #26107715 - 07/14/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

What firearms do you own?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 1
    #26107716 - 07/14/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Republicans have always know that China is the greatest threat.

Then you have your Russian conspiracy theorist who wasted the taxpayer dollars to investigate nothing.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Russia?



It's big business that's the real enemy. Weirdos like Bezos and Zuckerberg that wish to monopolise and increase their power and influence. China maybe a threat to the US but conventional war seems far off the horizon unless fuck shit goes down. I'd be far more concerned with the Oligarchs in your country and their encroachment on your liberties and lively hood.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 4
    #26107755 - 07/14/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Free speech and guns rights all day baby.

America





And concentration camps , fuck ya America .



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL]
    #26107812 - 07/14/19 12:43 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Republicans have not always known that china is the greatest threat, Nixon was the one who established relations with china in the first place. And don't give me some BS about how that was good for America in the long run, we should have sanctioned the shit out of them and left them to rot like Cuba or North Korea.

Russia also does not have America's best interests in mind at all, far from it. A lot of things Russia does they do purely because they oppose American interests. I think China is more of a threat than Russia, but they're both enemies of America, make no mistake.

I wish Trump would raise tariffs on China even higher, maybe to 100% across all goods, and possibly including sanctions. Unfortunately all the democrats oppose policies like that which is one of many reasons why republicans are and have always been better at international politics than democrats.

Also Putin and Xi Xinping are both sissies with small dicks who can't stand to be insulted even on the internet (both countries have passed laws making it illegal to do so).

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And concentration camps , fuck ya America .




Oh please, that's nothing compare to the concentration camps that are present today in China, or the concentration camps Russia once had. To compare them to nazi concentration camps is laughably naive.



Edit; Also, I was a bit harsh on Trump last night. The truth is that there are things about him that I like and things about him that I hate, and so it's hard for me to ever decide how I feel about him. Sometimes I feel like I could actually vote for him, but other times when I think about other stuff he's done or said, the people he's attacked, I'm so repulsed and sickened that I can't concieve of it. But then I look at his actual policies that I support and I'm like "these are good policies that none of the democrats will ever support :frown:" I would make this into its own post, but then that would be a double post when I could just edit this one.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 1
    #26107939 - 07/14/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Freedom doesn't always guarantee the best numbers.

That is the "price" we pay.

We are the most free.

If our country doesn't manufacture, it's because we voted to raise regulations, labor rules, and taxes so that factories can operate easier in China than America.

China beats us in manufacturing, but we made it that way because of environmentalists, lobbying, and votes.




Companies wanted to pay 1/20th the wage, that's the real motivation. 

We could offer companies 0% tax rates and they still wouldn't come because it wouldn't make economic sense.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 2
    #26107980 - 07/14/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)





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Which one of those countries is more free than America?

They have speech restrictions and gun restrictions.



I don't know why you think relaxed gun laws are a good thing.  Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than the people in other countries.

But on top of that, here is a very small list of how other countries are freer.  Other countries:

1.  Don't lock up more people than any other democracy (as Morel Guy already mentioned)
2.  Have national health insurance
3.  Pay for public college
4.  Have laws that better protect workers ability to organize and negotiate
5.  Have greater social mobility
6.  Don't allow assassination of their own citizens
7.  Don't allow indefinite detention
8.  Don't allow warrantless searches

We're not the freest by a long shot.  And this list is just a starting point...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26108046 - 07/14/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

We have those protections.

Further, any country you mention is bound to have experienced those points.

Corruption happens everywhere.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 3
    #26108102 - 07/14/19 03:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Which one of those countries is more free than America?






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Morel Guy said:
netherlands.






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YangSupporter said:
The Netherlands





My Netherlands.

Prove me wrong.


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I don't see it.

They have speech restrictions and gun restrictions.

And the EU gives them laws too.





You don't see it cause you don't live here.

Every citizen who isnt mad or criminal can apply for a permit to own guns.

Only actively discriminating speech in certain contexts is limited, where it infringes on the rights and freedoms of another.

If you're not an actively acting out antisocial person who likes free unlimited access to firearms, you won't really notice these limitations.

A relic of world war 2 is that in these parts people want to curb such movements from rising again. Is that ao weird? If they come to power, all freedom is lost.


What more isnt free about my country please?


We have a reasonable degree of universal healthcare.
We have good accessability and affordability of education.
We got abortion and you can die with dignity by euthanasia.
We got weed since the 70s and shrooms (now truffles) since the 90s.
We have gay marriage, sensible divorce laws and regulated prostitution.
We have social security, if you can't hack it you get Yang's 1000 bucks every month.
If you got money in the bank (up to 100K) and the bank tanks - blammo! the state repays you.
Things like KKK radio are illegal and firearms are regulated, but available.




If America is so free, then why do all your companies do their taxes through here? :evil:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 1
    #26108118 - 07/14/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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...here is a very small list of how other countries are freer.  Other countries:

1.  Don't lock up more people than any other democracy (as Morel Guy already mentioned)
2.  Have national health insurance
3.  Pay for public college
4.  Have laws that better protect workers ability to organize and negotiate
5.  Have greater social mobility
6.  Don't allow assassination of their own citizens
7.  Don't allow indefinite detention
8.  Don't allow warrantless searches

We're not the freest by a long shot.  And this list is just a starting point...



We have those protections.



No, we don't.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Asante]
    #26108251 - 07/14/19 04:52 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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1 You pay over 50% of the federal budget to the military industrial complex.




We don't. In 2018, it was $629 billion out of $4.1 trillion. That's 15%. We get way more than our money's worth out of it.

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2 When is the last time the CONUS were physically invaded?




You're saying a country's military is only used to defend the homeland?

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You can have all the freedom you like without Canada or Mexico taking over your country.




God Bless America.

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Like a Japanese general concluded in WW II: American citizens are so well armed that even without an army, the country is un-invadable.




God Bless America.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SavoryGravy] * 1
    #26108342 - 07/14/19 05:48 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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In 2018, it (military industrial complex spending) was $629 billion out of $4.1 trillion. That's 15%. We get way more than our money's worth out of it.



How do we get ANYTHING out of it?  How does invading foreign countries help me and you?

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You're saying a country's military is only used to defend the homeland?



A "Department of DEFENSE" had better only be used to defend the homeland!


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26108353 - 07/14/19 05:56 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

XUL said:
Which one of those countries is more free than America?

They have speech restrictions and gun restrictions.



I don't know why you think relaxed gun laws are a good thing.  Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than the people in other countries.

But on top of that, here is a very small list of how other countries are freer.  Other countries:

1.  Don't lock up more people than any other democracy (as Morel Guy already mentioned)
2.  Have national health insurance
3.  Pay for public college
4.  Have laws that better protect workers ability to organize and negotiate
5.  Have greater social mobility
6.  Don't allow assassination of their own citizens
7.  Don't allow indefinite detention
8.  Don't allow warrantless searches

We're not the freest by a long shot.  And this list is just a starting point...




Great points..we in America also have more mass shootings than other countries

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    #26108359 - 07/14/19 05:59 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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How do we get ANYTHING out of it?  How does invading foreign countries help me and you?




We keep the peace. We have more of an economic interest in peace than any other country. We trade the most. War is bad for trade. We don't want war.

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A "Department of DEFENSE" had better only be used to defend the homeland!




Could a Department of Defense not defend our interests? Or our allies?

Just the homeland?

When in human history has that ever happened? Maybe Japan after we straightened them out?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SavoryGravy] * 3
    #26108380 - 07/14/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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In 2018, it (military industrial complex spending) was $629 billion out of $4.1 trillion. That's 15%. We get way more than our money's worth out of it.



How does invading foreign countries help me and you?



We keep the peace....  War is bad for trade. We don't want war.



I have no idea how starting wars is "keeping the peace".  :shrug:


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A "Department of DEFENSE" had better only be used to defend the homeland!



Could a Department of Defense not defend our interests? Or our allies?



It could, but when have we ever started a war that benefited you or me?


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    #26108402 - 07/14/19 06:20 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

A ton of americans say america is the best county because they kniw next to nothing about other nations.  It's called blind nationalism.  It's a disease.


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    #26108416 - 07/14/19 06:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I have no idea how starting wars is "keeping the peace".  :shrug:





Which war(s) are you talking about? I can't think of one that we've started right off-hand, but remind me. I mean, since the end of WW2 and the start of Pax Americana.

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It could, but when have we ever started a war that benefited you or me?




Name the war and I'll name the benefit.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SavoryGravy] * 1
    #26108606 - 07/14/19 08:26 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Which war(s) are you talking about? I can't think of one that we've started right off-hand, but remind me. I mean, since the end of WW2 and the start of Pax Americana.



Vietnam War
Backing the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan
U.S. occupation of Panama
First Gulf War
Bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina


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when have we ever started a war that benefited you or me?



Name the war and I'll name the benefit.



See list above.


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