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OnlineBigbadwooof
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ran-D]
    #26472413 - 02/06/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe they will meet the same fate.






Here's hoping!

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26475108 - 02/08/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)



Published on the official Twitter account, then taken down, and replaced by an even worse black and white version.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26475119 - 02/08/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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A REAL man loves a woman EVERY day of the month.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26475126 - 02/08/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Published on the official Twitter account, then taken down, and replaced by an even worse black and white version.




That feeling when you try to kill yourself by sticking your head in the oven, but it turns out you weren’t supposed to turn the flame on...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114]
    #26475132 - 02/08/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
That feeling when you try to kill yourself by sticking your head in the oven, but it turns out you weren’t supposed to turn the flame on...




That's 2meIRL moment.


Here's one where they've removed the orange and hair dye.




It's like when you see something horrific but you can't look away.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26475135 - 02/08/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
That feeling when you try to kill yourself by sticking your head in the oven, but it turns out you weren’t supposed to turn the flame on...




That's 2meIRL moment.


Here's one where they've removed the orange and hair dye.




It's like when you see something horrific but you can't look away.




That feeling when you’ve been dead for 4 weeks but people are still trying to impeach you...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26482521 - 02/12/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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He should have have been convicted and served jail time , 4 to 5 years .  We missed out on a great opportunity  to rehabilitate a productive citizen .




Yeah.  I dream of holding the aristocracy accountable for their many crimes sometimes too.



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26483018 - 02/13/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Bloomberg outright wins this measure.  He's got the highest numbers of them all here, followed by Biden then Sanders.  But Bernie isn't allowed, and Biden is just terrible and will probably lose.



Bloomberg said something like 'there's nothing he can say that will hurt me', he knows Trump will call him Little Mikey or something and tell him to go get his shine box to stand on.  He's ready for that.

What if he tells Trump he must be better than him because he has more money?  What would Trump be able to say to that? 

That's the DNC's man.  Right there.  Invincible on the who's richer question and he's not Bernie.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/National.html


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainyII]
    #26483222 - 02/13/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Bloomberg outright wins this measure.  He's got the highest numbers of them all here, followed by Biden then Sanders.  But Bernie isn't allowed, and Biden is just terrible and will probably lose.



Bloomberg said something like 'there's nothing he can say that will hurt me', he knows Trump will call him Little Mikey or something and tell him to go get his shine box to stand on.  He's ready for that.

What if he tells Trump he must be better than him because he has more money?  What would Trump be able to say to that? 

That's the DNC's man.  Right there.  Invincible on the who's richer question and he's not Bernie.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/National.html




To be fair, it makes sense. Bloomberg is all the things trump claims to be. He’s an actual Billionaire, he’s actually huge on The TVs, he’s a successful businessman, and he’s racist to boot. Bloomberg got the Trump base on lock:shrug:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26483677 - 02/13/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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:yeahthatsfunny:





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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26488521 - 02/16/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114]
    #26488814 - 02/16/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Actually, Obama got waaaay more people insured.
https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/






Yeah, insured in name only. Why are your standards so low?  I don't think having a $5000 deductible with a 60/40 hospital coverage is really having health care for the vast majority of US citizens.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26489025 - 02/16/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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qman said:
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feldman114 said:
Actually, Obama got waaaay more people insured.
https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/






Yeah, insured in name only. Why are your standards so low?  I don't think having a $5000 deductible with a 60/40 hospital coverage is really having health care for the vast majority of US citizens.




Still, the number of uninsured people clearly went down. I have an 1800 deductible on an ACA plan btw, not sure how much hospital coverage is...

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Those on the outside would chip in




Hmm you mean everyone would chip in a bit of what they earn for a service they all want? Like a tax?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26489127 - 02/16/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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What is the "fair" tax on a 100k earning? Unless you are prepared to say what is "fair" you are just practicing verbal masturbation with a virtuous term



I already told you what is fair.  Billionaires not paying less than everyone else, as is the case with Social Security and as is recently the case with their effective tax rate.

Under Bernie's 2016 Medicare for All the bottom 95% would pay even less for healthcare than they do today.  His 2020 plan is even more progressive.

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That's like saying 2 + 2 = 5.  If you were corrected, you might say, well it's closer to five than it is to two, but that's irrelevant because it's NOT equal to 5.



Sorry, you lost me with your advanced math. What I said is that Bernie's plan is for borders more open than what we have now hence he wants to "open" the boders (verb)



No, what you said is "Bernie wants to open the borders".  He doesn't.  Now you know.

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So people who migrate to Russia do so not because they want to?



Yes - most migrants declare they want to settle in the US, Europe or Australia. Only 1% want to go to Russia - my guess they are from Caucasus or the various -stan countries who are ethnic Russians and would not make it to Europe
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/these-are-the-countries-migrants-want-to-move-to/



I never said Russia was the most desired country in the world.  I said the people who migrated there wanted to go there.  Your claim was "Russia does not have this problem because, guess what, no one wants to emigrate there" which is clearly false.  LOTS of people emigrate to Russia, even if we make believe it wasn't by choice.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #26490126 - 02/17/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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We are in a repetitive pattern of you ignoring the points I am making and then topping off your misdirected responses with thinly veiled insults.  Do I take it that you are ok with Bernie's 2.2% becoming 6% with no penalty imposed on his credibility because you think it does not matter?



Of course I wouldn't be ok with healthcare costs tripling.  But why would healthcare costs triple when costs are so much less in every other country that doesn't use for profit health insurance?  We have countless real world examples showing how much cheaper it will be and you're just repeating the scare propaganda that for profit insurance companies are selling you.

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In case it has not registered with you all I said was that politicians lie about the cost to get their pet projects going, not that the current US system is cheaper/better than the government run alternatives.



Bernie makes all of his calculations public.  We've had countless discussions here about his 2016 numbers proving them to be accurate.  And you yourself said "Sanders cannot lie. He is ideologically pure"


Now I'll ask you the kind of question you've asked me (except I'll use real world data rather than fantasy):  How would you feel if private insurance costs keep increasing like we KNOW they have been?



Source


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26490203 - 02/17/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Bernie makes all of his calculations public.  We've had countless discussions here about his 2016 numbers proving them to be accurate.  And you yourself said "Sanders cannot lie. He is ideologically pure"

Now I'll ask you the kind of question you've asked me (except I'll use real world data rather than fantasy):  How would you feel if private insurance costs keep increasing like we KNOW they have been?



Source




It would not affect me personally but I think the US healthcare system sucks and needs an overhaul so more like being sorry for the dudes who end up paying the exuberant medical bills. I see from your graph that the state-run system costs are also climbing and I would feel the same if the trend continued - albeit to a lesser extent because the rate of increase is slower.

See - it is possible to answer a question directly, without dodging or implying that whoever asked it is somehow mentally deficient. Of course your scenario is a "fantasy" - we do not know that the costs will rise. You are just assuming they might, based on the past experience (much like I assume that Bernie's 2.2% estimate would be way off - we KNOW they always are).

His 2016 numbers are also a fantasy - none of his ideas got put into practice so we have no idea what the real world data would have been. I accept that he believes in this fantasy and so is truthful in that sense.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26490751 - 02/17/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, so which of these two women are YOU finding more attractive?

or


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #26490758 - 02/17/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Bernie will be exposed as a supporter of authoritarian communist regimes...



People don't run and hide when they hear the word socialist anymore.

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enthusiastic proponent of wealth re-distribution...



They want new wealth to go to everyone that helped earn it, not just the rich (as started happening under Reagan in the 80s).


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and indulging in fiscal fantasies.



What fantasies would that be?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #26490809 - 02/17/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok, so which of these two women are YOU finding more attractive?

or





Who gives a shit? Trump bought a mail order bride from Slovenia good for him.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #26491120 - 02/18/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok, so which of these two women are YOU finding more attractive?

or





A similar question was posted in another thread.

Me personally I'd run like a startled gazelle from Melania. Bernies Mrs looks normal, I'd have a beer with her.

Let's change the premise, which woman would you be more likely to trust?


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