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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #26447012 - 01/22/20 07:13 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Climate related death, are at all time historic lows, WHILE the population has increased





Could someone explain to me why earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanoes are considered as independent of climate
when something like a volcanic eruption has more immediate impact on climate than man-made emissions?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #26447039 - 01/22/20 07:27 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2007/05/21/volcanoes/




this is really interesting
but am still skeptical of the portion that states that humans have more effect than volcanoes
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On average, volcanoes spew over 130 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. That sounds like a lot, but compare it to global fossil fuel emissions: in 2005, we emitted more than 27 billion tons of CO2. Emissions from human activity are more than 200 times the emissions from volcanic activity.




and it is also interesting that they have a graph that shows my "point"


do not personally believe "climate change" to be synonymous with "global warming"
so volcanic eruption having a really pronounced downward impact on temperature is still in a seeming support of my claim
that a volcanic eruption has a more pronounced immediate impact than man-made emissions

like, global cooling trends due to human emissions may or may not happen -- but even if they do, they happen over a longer and more gradual timeline than an eruption


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26447063 - 01/22/20 07:40 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

At some point it will become impossible to pretend GHG's can continue to be produced en masse like they are.

This thing really will be out of control at some point, with nature releasing untold amounts of methane from the melting permafrost and methyl hydrates on the seabed, and whatever else is going to go on.

What an age of denial and irresponsibility, how is it that America currently has a comical mascot for this culture as president?  Who's writing the script?

If this was a movie they cast him perfectly.  He's out there talking about clean coal and disparaging wind power, with a highly theatrical delivery and everything.  Funny voices, little sounds, animated body language.  Then he'll speak ill of the dead and start talking about how toilets don't flush the first 14 times and, well, you know how it goes.

People aren't thinking clearly.  This is the most fucked up shit that has ever taken place in the history of mankind.  The future is going to come, someday It will be 2100, 2300, 2700 etc, the future is guaranteed to arrive, you can have full confidence in that.

What do you think this place is going to be like in 100 years if we don't get our act together?  Do you think we'll even make it to 2050 without a heatwave that gets to 130F or something?  How many of you have to get scared before you open your eyes to this?

It's going to happen.  And if we ever do get into a situation where there really is massive die off, at some point we will become powerless to steward the earth.  Think of that for a dystopian future if you like movies so much. 

There is so much that needs to be done, and we have the power to do it.  We possess the capital to build a sustainable system much more in harmony with nature, and while we are at it, let's build one that's in harmony with our social nature.  It's only a matter of mobilizing the capital.  Are you going to let these clowns tell you any different?


Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a cooling trend. However global temperatures continue to increase.



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26447580 - 01/23/20 03:45 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

This has to be seen to be believed.  Donald Trump on Greta Thunberg: 'She beat me out on Time magazine'

The numbers coming out the environmental numbers are tremendous.



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #26448818 - 01/23/20 06:46 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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[Superfluous insult removed]Islands have been disappearing and reappearing since the dawn of time. Earth goes through natural changes and periods of cooling and heating.

Your climate alarmist doomsday friends have been 100% wrong, on every single one of their climate alarmist predictions, since the 1960s. You have not a single leg to stand on.
No serious scientist on Earth believes there will be a mass extinction due to climate in any near future.
Nor is there ANY solid evidence at all that humans are the main cause. Or that we can do anything about it.
US leads the world on reducing emissions. (Despite leaving BS climate accord) India and China are the biggest producers of pollution and emissions globally, by far.. go ahead and get them to stop. lol..

Using your logic... if Global Warming is such a problem, why the fuck are people freezing to death in Pakistan from record colds? https://www.geo.tv/latest/267237-83-dead-as-severe-cold-grips-pakistan

Why are new islands appearing?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/28/new-island-north-carolina-jnd-orig-vstop.cnn



"The time of famines is upon us and will be at its worst and most disastrous by 1975.
- Paul Erlich, 1967

"The world's oceans will be as dead as Lake Erie in less than a decade. America will be subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980"
- Paul Erlich, 1970

"Air pollution may obliterate the sun and cause a new ice age in the first third of the next century if the population continues to grow and the Earth's resources are consumed at the present rate. The demands for cooling water will boil dry the entire flow of the rivers and streams of the continental US"
- James Lodge Jr: Ice age by 2000;  1970

"In the next 50 years. the fine dust man constantly puts into the atmosphere by fossil fuel burning could screen out so much sunlight that the average temperature could drop by six degrees. If sustained over several year. such a temperature decrease could be sufficient to trigger an Ice age!"
- Dr S. I Rasool, 1971

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
- 1979, George Wald

"International Team of Specialists find no end in sight to 30 year cooling trend in the northern hemisphere"
- New York Times, January 5 1978

"Acid rain, which has already wiped out the fish in 107 of New York's Adirondack Mountain lakes, is rapidly killing other lakes in nearby area."
- Noblesville Ledger 1980

“As University of California physicist John Holdren has said, it is possible that carbon-dioxide climate-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year 2020.”
- Paul Ehrlich, The Machinery of Nature, pg. 274, 1986

"MALDIVES: A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to completely cover this Indian Ocean nation of 1196 small islands within the next 30 years. According to authorities. But the end of the Maldives and its 200,000 people could come sooner if drinking water supplies dry up by 1992, as predicted."
- Canberray Times, Sept 26 1988

"A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea level if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000"
- AP news, June 30 1989

"The west side highway which runs along the Hudson River will be under water within 20 years"
- Jim Hansen 1989

“I think we have a very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change ... no longer than a decade, at the most,”
- NBC News, September 14th, 2006

"Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past. Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event", "Children just aren't going to know what snow is"
- The independent, March 20 2000

"Climate change over the next 20 years could results in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters. Major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a "Siberian" climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world."
- The Guardian, Feb 21 2004

“If there's no action before 2012, that's too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment."
- Rajendra Pachauri, November 17th, 2007

“Politicians and corporations have been ignoring the issue for decades, to the point that unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return”
- Al Gore, 2007

"The polar ice caps will be completely ice free within 5 years"
- Al Gore, 2008

"Within 5 to 10 years, the Arctic will be completely free of sea ice in the summer"
- Dr. Hansen - June 24 2008

“World leaders have 50 days to save the Earth from irreversible global warming and catastrophe.”
- Gordon Brown, Former UK Prime Minister, October 19th, 2009

"Only 500 days remain to avoid complete climate chaos"
- Laurent Fabius, 2014

"The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change"
- AOC, 2019

"We have less than 8 years to save the planet"
- Great Thunberg, 2020

"We're done in 4 years if we don't fix climate change!"
- Michael Moore, 2020

According to the "experts", life on Earth should have been totally annihilated like 40 years ago.

Climate related death, are at all time historic lows, WHILE the population has increased over 4x








https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

Associations of Cognitive Function Scores with Carbon Dioxide, Ventilation, and Volatile Organic Compound Exposures in Office Workers: A Controlled Exposure Study of Green and Conventional Office Environments
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1510037


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26449507 - 01/24/20 07:52 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Both the average global GDP and average global life expectancy are looking impressive by historic standards





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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26449561 - 01/24/20 08:40 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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But...but the charts stop at year 2000.

@Metoo do you think the Australian fires are related to climate change? What about the never-ending shitstorms that have been hitting Puerto Rico?



They are the only ones going back a while I could find. Please post more recent stats if things have changed.

"Related" is not a very scientific term because in a complex system everything is interconnected to a degree. Attribution is more meaningful here but as far as I understand no single event is "caused" by climate change. For what it is worth the aggregated hurricane activity has actually been trending down:



But my angle is different. There have always been extreme climate events and they will not stop. Maybe we will have more draughts but less floods idk but is the overall global effect of all these changes going to be detrimental to humans? I think the popular assumption is that it will be but have they properly allowed for the positive effects?

One example. Food supply is absolutely critical to avoid global social disruption and we need arable land to grow stuff. In a warmer World we will lose some marginal arable land in the hot climates and gain some closer to the poles. Now, I would say that with the right technology we know how to irrigate deserts (Israel grows stuff in Negev) but we can't cultivate permafrost so the aggregated nett result of the climate zone shift on the food supply may be positive.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
    #26449935 - 01/24/20 12:36 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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Both the average global GDP and average global life expectancy are looking impressive by historic standards









We are at a multi centuries low in world wide economic growth. Certainly the lowest growth rate since the beginning of the Industrial Age


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114]
    #26450106 - 01/24/20 02:06 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

It should be noted this graph needs to use a logarithmic scale to accurately represent GDP growth (for example: 2000 to 4000 represents 100% growth, while 4000 to 6000 only represents 50% growth)



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26450154 - 01/24/20 02:37 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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It should be noted this graph needs to use a logarithmic scale to accurately represent GDP growth (for example: 2000 to 4000 represents 100% growth, while 4000 to 6000 only represents 50% growth)





Please clarify - does this graph in your view supports the claim that "We are at a multi centuries low in world wide economic growth"?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26450249 - 01/24/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Beam me up Scotty!



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26450295 - 01/24/20 04:19 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/24/21080812/space-force-new-logo-donald-trump-reveal-design-star-trek

He stole it from the United Federation of Planets - Starfleet Command. :facepalm:
:chump:



This is the old Air Force Space Command logo.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
    #26450491 - 01/24/20 06:21 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Another interesting case is Holland. Having to fight the sea, they should be the pariahs of Europe - reliant on others to help them survive in the face of relentless natural adversity. Well, this is not what has happened - the Dutch got their shit together and created a remarkably advanced and efficient society. In fact they are now capitalising on their geographic misfortune by exporting the hydro engineering knowledge to others.

Would this turn of events have been predictable using the economic models we are currently using to assess the future impact of global warming?



Imagine if Donald Trump was the president of holland



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26450763 - 01/24/20 08:30 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

MAGA bomber energy



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26451666 - 01/25/20 11:06 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114]
    #26460261 - 01/30/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Mostly the wealthy...



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SavoryGravy] * 3
    #26466581 - 02/03/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Wages are rising faster for lower income than upper income people. For the first time in decades.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/workers-at-lower-end-of-pay-scale-getting-most-benefit-from-rising-wages.html


80% of the population got a tax cut according to lefty Tax Policy Center.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-would-cut-taxes-average-1600-2018-most-benefits-going-those-making-300000-plus



But yeah, the tax cut went only to the rich, and only the rich are benefitting from the best economy in the history of the world.




Actually that is due to minimum wage increases in certain states. If you look at the data, in states that didn’t increase the minimum wage, wage growth for low income workers is lagging. Also, lower end wage growth has been fairly robust since 2016 and cleverly has nothing to do with the tax cuts



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26467516 - 02/03/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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Wages are rising faster for lower income than upper income people. For the first time in decades.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/workers-at-lower-end-of-pay-scale-getting-most-benefit-from-rising-wages.html


80% of the population got a tax cut according to lefty Tax Policy Center.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-would-cut-taxes-average-1600-2018-most-benefits-going-those-making-300000-plus



But yeah, the tax cut went only to the rich, and only the rich are benefitting from the best economy in the history of the world.




Actually that is due to minimum wage increases in certain states. If you look at the data, in states that didn’t increase the minimum wage, wage growth for low income workers is lagging. Also, lower end wage growth has been fairly robust since 2016 and cleverly has nothing to do with the tax cuts





Quote:

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Quote:

SavoryGravy said:
Wages are rising faster for lower income than upper income people. For the first time in decades.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/workers-at-lower-end-of-pay-scale-getting-most-benefit-from-rising-wages.html


80% of the population got a tax cut according to lefty Tax Policy Center.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-would-cut-taxes-average-1600-2018-most-benefits-going-those-making-300000-plus



But yeah, the tax cut went only to the rich, and only the rich are benefitting from the best economy in the history of the world.




The best economy in the history of the world and he has 33 posts, 7 of which were in the Kamala Harris's Family Owned Slaves thread. He doesn't talk like an idiot that will be banned by Valentines Day, but he's definitely being kept under observation.




is that standard procedure on the shroomery to investigate anyone who isn't a Marxist?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: 1uptoadstool] * 1
    #26467989 - 02/04/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

SavoryGravy said:
Wages are rising faster for lower income than upper income people. For the first time in decades.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/workers-at-lower-end-of-pay-scale-getting-most-benefit-from-rising-wages.html


80% of the population got a tax cut according to lefty Tax Policy Center.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-would-cut-taxes-average-1600-2018-most-benefits-going-those-making-300000-plus



But yeah, the tax cut went only to the rich, and only the rich are benefitting from the best economy in the history of the world.




Actually that is due to minimum wage increases in certain states. If you look at the data, in states that didn’t increase the minimum wage, wage growth for low income workers is lagging. Also, lower end wage growth has been fairly robust since 2016 and cleverly has nothing to do with the tax cuts





Quote:

Brian Jones said:
Quote:

SavoryGravy said:
Wages are rising faster for lower income than upper income people. For the first time in decades.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/workers-at-lower-end-of-pay-scale-getting-most-benefit-from-rising-wages.html


80% of the population got a tax cut according to lefty Tax Policy Center.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-would-cut-taxes-average-1600-2018-most-benefits-going-those-making-300000-plus



But yeah, the tax cut went only to the rich, and only the rich are benefitting from the best economy in the history of the world.




The best economy in the history of the world and he has 33 posts, 7 of which were in the Kamala Harris's Family Owned Slaves thread. He doesn't talk like an idiot that will be banned by Valentines Day, but he's definitely being kept under observation.




is that standard procedure on the shroomery to investigate anyone who isn't a Marxist?




Maoists are also exempt. Personally, I'm a social democrat but if anarcho-syndicalism makes a comeback I'm all over that.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26472335 - 02/06/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe they will meet the same fate.



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