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Canada vs America
    #25837617 - 02/25/19 09:42 PM (27 days, 5 hours ago)

A place to post your biased opinions about the country you live and why there better then rest!  :gocanada:


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837647 - 02/25/19 09:50 PM (27 days, 5 hours ago)

ill go first.. Canada got hotter girls and better weed lol


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837693 - 02/25/19 10:03 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

unfortunately they are mostly the same

MI is way more fun


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: watermelon mon]
    #25837703 - 02/25/19 10:07 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

Pfftttt your no fun.... MI??


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837712 - 02/25/19 10:09 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

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Re: Canada vs America [Re: watermelon mon]
    #25837723 - 02/25/19 10:12 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

Canada is the only reason Putin isn't invading USA. :awesomenod:


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: watermelon mon]
    #25837763 - 02/25/19 10:27 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

It's basically the same thing man. Canada isn't nearly as powerful but it's connected to the United states so no one f--ks with them. You have legal weed and universal health care but the American people want the same thing. The reason why the usa doesn't have those things is because the United states government is extremely corrupted. People are starting to get pissed though so their voting for people like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders just to piss the government off. I have a feeling that the drug war will end within the next 10 years. I also think the United states will have universal health care. If I had to choose between the 2 I would go with the United states. We're the most powerful country on the planet and if you don't think that comes with perks you're delusional.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #25837768 - 02/25/19 10:31 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

trudeau would kick trumps ass
America died in the late 70s
almost came to life in the 90s
Canada is alot more forward thinking
but America is land of free home of the brave with one of the strongest military
just dont agree with the government :shrug:


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25837773 - 02/25/19 10:34 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

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It's basically the same thing man. Canada isn't nearly as powerful but it's connected to the United states so no one f--ks with them. You have legal weed and universal health care but the American people want the same thing. The reason why the usa doesn't have those things is because the United states government is extremely corrupted. People are starting to get pissed though so their voting for people like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders just to piss the government off. I have a feeling that the drug war will end within the next 10 years. I also think the United states will have universal health care. If I had to choose between the 2 I would go with the United states. We're the most powerful country on the planet and if you don't think that comes with perks you're delusional.




How did ya'll let it get that bad tho? I don't have to travel to the states to see that its fucked down there..
Theres a reason Canadian travellers are treated better in almost every other country and its not because we are "connected to the US" nice try tho lol


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25837776 - 02/25/19 10:35 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

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ill go first.. Canada got hotter girls and better weed lol




Canadian legal weed is garbage.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: viraldrome]
    #25837783 - 02/25/19 10:39 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

I agree. legal anything is weak. lol
I don't personally know anyone who buys "legal weed" up here tho


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837795 - 02/25/19 10:45 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

I buy legal weed. Strong enough for me but it's all very dry.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837796 - 02/25/19 10:45 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

Dude you literally just got legal weed 😂. Weed is becoming legalized at the state level so we're definitely going to get weed no matter what. The reason why other countries hate us is because we rule the freaking planet! Of course they hate us! We're the modern day Rome.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: psi]
    #25837802 - 02/25/19 10:47 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

When dry, it isn't always bad imo at least you can be sure you're not buying any moisture weight


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25837805 - 02/25/19 10:49 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

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Dude you literally just got legal weed 😂. Weed is becoming legalized at the state level so we're definitely going to get weed no matter what. The reason why other countries hate us is because we rule the freaking planet! Of course they hate us! We're the modern day Rome.




legal weed = government grown.

I stand by my pervious statement. :rockon:


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: trees] * 1
    #25837807 - 02/25/19 10:50 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

A lot of people consider dryness to mean a bad cure but I've had some very dry stuff that had plenty of terpene content.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25837808 - 02/25/19 10:50 PM (27 days, 4 hours ago)

Did you just say nice try lmao!? You're picking on a country that's far more powerful than you. Don't you understand how stupid that is? I've been to Canada! I'm in Ohio you're right across the f--g river lol.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25837824 - 02/25/19 10:57 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

If power means your country is better.. then all the power too ya.. lol I was hoping to get some more personal reasons why people think there country is the better then the rest.. Not the "because we have a bigger army" kind of shit.. all good tho this thread is open for discussion! :bigblunt:
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Edit; usually dry weed = bad cure = harsh smoke.. BUT with that being said, if its just dry because its old, it can be brought back to life with boveda packs.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25837827 - 02/25/19 10:58 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

I'm done with the argument lol. Not worth it....


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837830 - 02/25/19 10:59 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

we have huge military......but you guys have letterkenny.... :strokebeard:


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #25837838 - 02/25/19 11:02 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

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we have huge military......but you guys have letterkenny.... :strokebeard:



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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #25837844 - 02/25/19 11:04 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

:mygoditsfullofstars: ...And the trailer park boys!!


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow]
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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837849 - 02/25/19 11:06 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

Canada's decent in many ways but I would have picked somewhere warmer.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: psi]
    #25837862 - 02/25/19 11:10 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)



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Re: Canada vs America [Re: psi]
    #25837864 - 02/25/19 11:11 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

Muahahahahahaha I love it. Too good. I almost forgot about that one... Thanks Shenmue

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Canada's decent in many ways but I would have picked somewhere warmer.




Well ya duh. 905? Thats Ontario? hella cold out there!
I'm on the west coast, van island. We got a foot and a half of snow this year and everyone freaked out. lol most I've seen since the winter of 96'.. fuck I feel hella old for say that.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25837883 - 02/25/19 11:19 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

It's only cold in my state for like 3 months a year and it almost never gets below 40 degrees

Fuck the cold!


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25837907 - 02/25/19 11:34 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

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Canada's decent in many ways but I would have picked somewhere warmer.




Well ya duh. 905? Thats Ontario? hella cold out there!
I'm on the west coast, van island. We got a foot and a half of snow this year and everyone freaked out. lol most I've seen since the winter of 96'.. fuck I feel hella old for say that.




I have never been out there, sounds cool though. I'm not a big fan of winter but the summers here are pretty good.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: psi]
    #25837930 - 02/25/19 11:46 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

Whats the typical timeline and actual degree in a Canada summer? 2-3 months? 70 degree weather? 80s?


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: psi]
    #25837938 - 02/25/19 11:48 PM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

ice snow and wind storm in toronto

in windsor there is almost no snow anymore at all

every year there is less snow


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Uzziel]
    #25837970 - 02/26/19 12:03 AM (27 days, 2 hours ago)

A hot summer day in Toronto would be 30 C (86 F) give or take. The humidex might hit 38 or so sometimes, about 100 F. The hottest months are July and August.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: psi] * 4
    #25837972 - 02/26/19 12:06 AM (27 days, 2 hours ago)

Guys the OP is trying to divide us!



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Re: Canada vs America [Re: ichugwindex]
    #25838004 - 02/26/19 12:24 AM (27 days, 2 hours ago)

Lol I know! I thought we was a team.. Canada is the 12th most powerful country on the planet. It wouldn't even be 12 if it wasn't connected to the United states. California has as more people than Canada! That means there's more legal weed in the United states!


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25838008 - 02/26/19 12:26 AM (27 days, 2 hours ago)

So the United states has all the weed! Lol


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue]
    #25838013 - 02/26/19 12:33 AM (27 days, 2 hours ago)

Haha no beef! Just curious to hear other peoples thoughts on the oh-so-touchy subject.. far as I'm concerned we are all from planet earth, borders are just lines made by the governments to enforce their own laws.

No doubt there is more weed in cali then all of Canada.. and cocaine lol

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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25838037 - 02/26/19 12:53 AM (27 days, 1 hour ago)

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I agree. legal anything is weak. lol
I don't personally know anyone who buys "legal weed" up here tho





I would put the best California or Washington state weed against the best BC weed too.

I prefer Americans to Canadians. Every city I go to in Canada the downtowns are full of totally obnoxious drunk douchbags. We are getting a bad rep overseas too for being bad travelers. Americans are more friendly and outgoing.

Also more to see and do in the USA. In Canada you can go east or west, America you can head any direction, you aren't stopped by a massive frozen empty tundra.

Just today I was reading about a guy who scammed a bunch of seniors out of 100 million in Alberta and he's just getting a fine and not even going to jail. In the USA he might not go to a ass raping prison but he would still go. They don't baby criminals in the USA.

Hockey sucks, hockey parents are trash. The booze is expensive, the gas is insane. Go in an American grocery store, the choices are overwhelming and the prices are great. Cell phone plans are reasonable, internet is way cheaper. Cars are way cheaper. Chicks have bigger tits. You can shoot people for looking at you funny.

The only thing better about Canada is the health care.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: viraldrome] * 2
    #25838052 - 02/26/19 01:07 AM (27 days, 1 hour ago)

We have Captain America you have Captain Kanuuk no worries though ehh?

For real tho Canada is dope but I wouldn’t live anywhere else


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: viraldrome]
    #25838174 - 02/26/19 04:43 AM (26 days, 22 hours ago)

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staytrippy420 said:
I agree. legal anything is weak. lol
I don't personally know anyone who buys "legal weed" up here tho





Every city I go to in Canada the downtowns are full of totally obnoxious drunk douchbags. We are getting a bad rep overseas too for being bad travelers. Americans are more friendly and outgoing.





this is so true , it hurts

a lot of american's are way more friendly and welcoming than most Canadians I've met no lie

sorry for being a asshole

at least it was just on here 

for real a lot of people don't even know i can talk , we hide too in the trees

speak more truth viraldrome

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Re: Canada vs America [Re: watermelon mon]
    #25838186 - 02/26/19 05:06 AM (26 days, 21 hours ago)

I thought Canadians were known to be super nice/polite? Im hella confused now.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: watermelon mon]
    #25838187 - 02/26/19 05:07 AM (26 days, 21 hours ago)

legalizing weed while making me personally happy would fuck up my state
the price of living here is so bad
i was thinking of moving to the border and taking a plane every time I wanted to see my family
I can only imagine it will be much more expensive in a few years


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25838189 - 02/26/19 05:08 AM (26 days, 21 hours ago)

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I thought Canadians were known to be super nice/polite? Im hella confused now.




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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420] * 2
    #25838913 - 02/26/19 01:35 PM (26 days, 13 hours ago)

The Canada of the 90's is not the Canada of today.  We've basically been more "americanized" the past 15 years. :smirk:

I like Canada because of my free health care I've had the luxury of using all my life.  From stitches on my knee and head as a kid, to a broken ankle as an adult, to burns, a fairly bad car accident, times I was super sick, one time I was worried about a rash lol.....there has been countless times I relied on it.  It has always treated me good and removes financial stress about being healthy.  I cant even imagine an alternative.

I love Canada for the raw outdoors.  I'm a more northern rural cat myself...and the outdoor recreation and the entire culture around outdoors as a whole...I love that about Canada.  On the flip side, I'm sure their are certain states or areas of the US that share similar traits.

I love how our population is spread out and how much space there is in between us all. Put this in perspective...

My home province of British Columbia, is 2X the size of California.  B.C.'s population is 4.7 million.  The entire country of Canada has 36 million people.  California has 39 million people alone. :eek:

I one day hope to travel Canada properly.  Its massive and isnt overcrowded.

What I dont like about Canada:

-outrageous cell phone plans
-expensive taxes and utilities
-expensive internet
-outrageous gas prices
-best merchandise and deals as a whole, come from the USA
-our dumb gun laws
-our stupid long and cold winters in many places of Canada
-short summers


What I like about the USA:

When it comes to cities, different cultures, and urban things to see and do...there is so many things to be found in the USA that simply cant be found in Canada.

Way more people.  Meaning, you have probably 10x more smoking hot, cool ass women than we do. Lol. I fell really hard for an american woman once.

Love your gun laws in states other than California lol

Love the prices of everything.  I've thought very seriously of getting citizenship somehow and buying a house in Montana or something.  So much cheap real estate.


My big turn offs of the USA:

-the tensions and level of violence in some areas.  I dont understand it, I'm not "street smart" and frankly, the thought of travelling  to certain areas, let alone living there, worries me.  The over abundance of school shootings, serial killers, terrorist attacks, etc.  Being the biggest toughest kid on the playground, attracts that shit generally I find

-the certain individuals who over do it with patriotism.  "My moms vagina spit me out in this particular corner of this floating rock in space...there for it's the best. Hoorah!" :smirk:  obviously, a lifetime of conditioning and indoctrination exacerbates this 10 fold.  I understand loving your country...at the end of the day, we all are products of environment and most of us will be proud of where we come from, but when its overkill for me, I dont dig it at all.

P.s.  our national support is Lacrosse, not hockey.  And it is one of the most aggressive, violent and beautiful and fun games out there today.  I played as a kid a bit.  Super fun.  Especially box lacrosse.


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    #25839285 - 02/26/19 04:57 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

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    #25839332 - 02/26/19 05:20 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

I like my country but its not the best. USA is. they have a first and second amendment. its written into our charter of rights and freedoms that the government can place limits on free expression (and free speech isnt protected seperately from free expression which means free speech can be limited. and it has been in my province). The whole constitution of the united states is built on individual liberty. there has never been a greater country in History. now the government hasnt always done the best job of upholding theconstitution. but that just goes to show why individual liberty and limited government are important. the government sucks and the founding fathers knew that even the united states government could become tyrannical which is why they made the constitution so robust.

I would like to move there

i wish we had a more free market in Canada too but Canadians love their government monopolies so i dont see any improvement any time soon. america has pretty regulated markets anyway too. not as bad as Canada but still not the best.

BTW, Canadian legal weed is way too expensive and yes totally dry. i could get better weed for less money on the black market. the government sucks. an open market always does a better job.


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    #25839348 - 02/26/19 05:30 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

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    #25839395 - 02/26/19 05:51 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago)

America is not all it's cracked up to be. Parts of it are outright disgusting. We have a perverted form of capitalism that I would describe as extremist. Our democracy is a joke. A person working in a factory and saving to buy a home can expect to be laughed out of the bank, meanwhile A giant religious organization that attacks freedom and promotes the abuse of children is allowed to own huge swaths of land without paying a penny in taxes. That's america, money to the rich, power to the powerful, slavery for the rest.


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    #25839462 - 02/26/19 06:22 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

Wtf?

Compare that with Syria. Russia. Saudia Arabia. China. Africa....

Mexico.

Yeah, Canada and America are about the same. Differences of course.


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    #25839480 - 02/26/19 06:30 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

America is pretty shit if you don't have someone to support you, working 10 hours daily is mandatory for the majority of people.


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    #25839496 - 02/26/19 06:41 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

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Wtf?

Compare that with Syria. Russia. Saudia Arabia. China. Africa....

Mexico.

Yeah, Canada and America are about the same. Differences of course.




I don't give a fuck about those places. This is the country i live in, this is the only country whose buisness I need to worry about. I'll criticize my own country all I fucking want. I've heard more than enough bullshit from stupid, star spangled, flag waving morons. People who pretend like america can do no wrong are the cause of this country's problems.


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    #25839503 - 02/26/19 06:44 PM (26 days, 8 hours ago)

You don't "give a fuck" that genocide is going on in other places?

You dont think the rest of the world is connected to you?


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    #25839533 - 02/26/19 06:52 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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America is not all it's cracked up to be. Parts of it are outright disgusting. We have a perverted form of capitalism that I would describe as extremist. Our democracy is a joke. A person working in a factory and saving to buy a home can expect to be laughed out of the bank, meanwhile A giant religious organization that attacks freedom and promotes the abuse of children is allowed to own huge swaths of land without paying a penny in taxes. That's america, money to the rich, power to the powerful, slavery for the rest.



usa doesnt even have the freest market in the world anymore.

free markets have produced more wealth and pulled more people out of extreme poverty than anything else in history.

https://ourworldindata.org/economic-growth

https://slides.ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/#/GDP-over-long-run

Sweden had the fastest growing economy in the world and was the 4th richest country. after implementation of left winged economic policies their economy stagnated and they were left behind at 13th richest. as a response they deregulated and privatized certain sectors begging in the 90s. all of the Scandinavian countries went through this.

free markets also drive innovation which increases living standard because you are forced to offer things people actually want. and they drive quality up and cost down because of competition.

whats wrong with rich people getting richer? in order for them to offer a good or service that people pay for voluntarily and they have to buy people's labour. or they have to invest in somebody who is doing that and take on the risk. income inequality doesnt matter. what matters is how are

the government bailing out banks and corporations with tax payer money to keep them from failing is not capitalism at all. i agree thats unfair. but thats the governments fault. in a free market they would have been allowed to fail.

inalienable rights are more important than democracy. but i dont see anything much different about america's democracy and other republics. i dont believe would should vote on human rights. democracy is just a way for the majority to oppress the minority. if the government didnt have much power outside protecting life, liberty and property then it wouldnt really matter so much who was in office and corrupt people wouldnt bother trying to get into office. and there wouldnt be no point of lobbying either because the government has no power.


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    #25839534 - 02/26/19 06:52 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

Problems in other countries do not stop me from acknowledging problems in my own country. I am not a Syrian, I can't say what the cause of their problems are, I have no interest in making their decisions for them. I am an american, I can see many problems with america, those are my concerns. Americas problems become the problems of other countries and american money has financed more than enough violence elsewhere. Do be intentionally dense about the issue. You're just outraged that I criticized America instead of lobbing insults at some other country to try an distract from our MANY, MANY, VERY REAL PROBLEMS.


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    #25839557 - 02/26/19 07:00 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

No.  I'm not outraged at all.  I'm not angry in any way shape or form.

I'm peaceful and hoping you are having peaceful day as well.

Pretty sure we can do good and focus on the good and that's the main thing.


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    #25839561 - 02/26/19 07:02 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

Today I helped and counseled a homeless woman and gave her some food.

Peacefully, calmly and did not see any badness in her.

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    #25839562 - 02/26/19 07:02 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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Wtf?

Compare that with Syria. Russia. Saudia Arabia. China. Africa....

Mexico.

Yeah, Canada and America are about the same. Differences of course.




I don't give a fuck about those places. This is the country i live in, this is the only country whose buisness I need to worry about. I'll criticize my own country all I fucking want. I've heard more than enough bullshit from stupid, star spangled, flag waving morons. People who pretend like america can do no wrong are the cause of this country's problems.



i agree. the country can do wrong. which is why the government should have limited power. its not blind faith in the country or its government. its respect for the constitution and liberty.

your whole constitution was set up to protect individual liberty. it was so unique and revolutionary at the time and to this day you are the only country in the world with freedom of speech. so i think valuing the ideas america was founded on is good. even if im a proud Canadian, i am a human and i want my individual rights protected.

the founding of the united states was such an important time for all of humanity. i think people take it for granted. its not about always taking Americas side no matter what. its about freedom from ALL government. the founding fathers were smart. they didnt want to leave the tyranny of the British just to create a new tyranny. they knew that even the usa could become tyrannical. 

nobody takes Americas side all the time. because america has two parties with very different world views and america has had contradictory policy.


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    #25839612 - 02/26/19 07:29 PM (26 days, 7 hours ago)

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America is not all it's cracked up to be. Parts of it are outright disgusting. We have a perverted form of capitalism that I would describe as extremist. Our democracy is a joke. A person working in a factory and saving to buy a home can expect to be laughed out of the bank, meanwhile A giant religious organization that attacks freedom and promotes the abuse of children is allowed to own huge swaths of land without paying a penny in taxes. That's america, money to the rich, power to the powerful, slavery for the rest.



usa doesnt even have the freest market in the world anymore.

free markets have produced more wealth and pulled more people out of extreme poverty than anything else in history.

https://ourworldindata.org/economic-growth

https://slides.ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/#/GDP-over-long-run

Sweden had the fastest growing economy in the world and was the 4th richest country. after implementation of left winged economic policies their economy stagnated and they were left behind at 13th richest. as a response they deregulated and privatized certain sectors begging in the 90s. all of the Scandinavian countries went through this.

free markets also drive innovation which increases living standard because you are forced to offer things people actually want. and they drive quality up and cost down because of competition.

whats wrong with rich people getting richer? in order for them to offer a good or service that people pay for voluntarily and they have to buy people's labour. or they have to invest in somebody who is doing that and take on the risk. income inequality doesnt matter. what matters is how are

the government bailing out banks and corporations with tax payer money to keep them from failing is not capitalism at all. i agree thats unfair. but thats the governments fault. in a free market they would have been allowed to fail.

inalienable rights are more important than democracy. but i dont see anything much different about america's democracy and other republics. i dont believe would should vote on human rights. democracy is just a way for the majority to oppress the minority. if the government didnt have much power outside protecting life, liberty and property then it wouldnt really matter so much who was in office and corrupt people wouldnt bother trying to get into office. and there wouldnt be no point of lobbying either because the government has no power.




This is what I mean by capitalist extremism. The idea that capitalism is the answer to every single fucking problem. That the "free market" is some devine force that functions like a god. A country that uses capitalism to fix every problem is like a contractor who refuses to use any tool besides a hammer. Capitalism is great for the distribution of non essential goods and services. It is a fucking abysmal system for determining who gets medical treatment, or how much education a person is entitled to. It is a horrible system to try and apply morality to, pretending that people who excel in capitalism do so because of some type of moral superiority is one of americas biggest problems. You excell in capitalism by being ruthless and this same ruthlessness has become our moral core.

Your stary eyed idealism blinds you. The rich use their money to send their children to lush private schools, while using their political influence to defund public schools, ensuring the calcification of economic disparity for years to come. They dump money into political activity that results in people being arrested over simple drug use, then support a system that stops these people from voting, and uses them for slavery.

You could get arrested for weed and be held in jail pending bail, while someone else beats their wife to a pulp and then walks right out of jail because he has the money, thats the morality of your free market. Thats pay to play justice.

The rich have used their political influence to suppress wages for fucking decades. When some guys job working 45 hours a week at TJ max fails to cover his $1800 a month rent, it becomes the tax payers job to pick up the slack through social welfare programs. I pay for those programs!!!!!!! My situation is hardly better than his but it comes from my tax burden. AMAZON PAYS NO TAXES, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PAYS NO TAXES. Amoazon does not pay their people enough to eat. The church teaches people wrong information and they use MY TAXES to pay MY POLICE, to guard their property. Property that they stole from my wallet while simultaneously preaching that i'm evil. I want to puke, even just laying this out makes me want to puke.

I pay out the ass in taxes, and I pay out the ass for my health insurance. Senator Lindsey Grahm, who is a piece of shit, lives off my tax money, I pay his health care while he sits there passing bills that elevate my health insurance costs!

The amount of MONEY i have paid out of my taxes for invasions of other countries, incarcerating people who are just like me, and buying goods and services for fat rich christian politicians. If I could have that fucking money back I would buy my own country.


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    #25839716 - 02/26/19 08:06 PM (26 days, 6 hours ago)

woah no need to get aggressive. im just talking here. thats not how you have a productive discussion.

nobody is entitled to any education or healthcare. its immoral to take people's money at gunpoint and give it to someone else. you gain things by producing them and engaging n voluntary transactions with others. you arent entitled to anybody's labour. we should all own the fruits of our own labour.

besides. the free market does a better job. more drugs are developed in the private sector. when the government has a monopoly they dont have to innovate, they dont have to offer good quality and they dont have to lower cost to compete. usa has the highest cancer survival rates in the world.

and regulating the economy and redistributing wealth causes economies to stagnate and even degenerate. thats bad for everyone. including poor people.

the fact is choices make people permanently poor. people who are poor and win the lottery disproportionately end up poor again. according to the left winged brookings institute, if you dont want to be permanently poor in the states, just graduate high school, get a full time job and dont have babies out of wedlock.

yes rich people also spend their money on their family and stuff. but not exclusively. whereas poor people only spend it on their family and stuff. rich people are the ones who invest in things to produce more wealth and create more jobs.

and it doesnt matter if they are better off than you. it matters if you are in poverty. free markets have lifted more people out of poverty than anything else in history. income inequality doesnt matter. there are countries where there is no inequality because everyone has nothing. would you rather be better off but have a wider gap between you and the richest person or be worse of and have a smaller gap? look at the increase in gdp per capita and the decrease in people living in extreme poverty since the industrial revolution which happened under economic freedom.

switzerland has no minimum wage laws and the highest average wages. the minimum wage law hurts people. imagine you have an uneducated, unskilled guy with no experience. if there were no minimum wage law he would have no shortage of opportunity to gain experience and skills. but lets say he cant produce $14 an hour? then nobody can hire him or they will lose money.

i dont think you should pay for welfare. nobody should. forced redistribution of wealth is theft. nobody is entitled to anybody elses labour. i think we should all feel a moral obligation to give to charity. but nobody should have a egal obligation to give the fruits of their labour to someone else.

you excel in a capitalist system by offering someone a good or service they want at a price they are willing to pay for.

just because you want to puke doesnt make you virtuous. i get worked up thinking about a government that not only regulated the market but takes people's money at gunpoint. you dont see me cting all outraged and offended. i just like discussing ideas. 

all the members of the church pay taxes and get protection from police if they are in danger. the church its self doesnt pay taxes. no charitable organization does.

forgive me if i missed some of your points. you covered alot of separate issues.

edit: people wouldnt be able to have political influence that furthers their agenda if the government wasnt involved in the market. 


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    #25839793 - 02/26/19 08:33 PM (26 days, 6 hours ago)

nobody is entitled?
we pay taxes
the last thing they should go torwards is making wealthy people richer

there are jobs out there that haven't had a wage increase in decades, jobs that don't even provide health insurace, so all the money you make goes back to paying for doctors
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nobody is entitled?
we pay taxes
the last thing they should go torwards is making wealthy people richer

there are jobs out there that haven't had a wage increase in decades, jobs that don't even provide health insurace, so all the money you make goes back to paying for doctors
this country isn't that great, our only strength really is not having to go to war too often



nobody is entitled to anybody elses money. people in higher tax brackets pay more. thats redistribution. the government is taking peoples money at gunpoint and giving it to other people. and not only is it detrimental to the economy, its immoral.

im not saying anybody should pay taxes to make rich people richer and thats not how it works currently.

so because wages havent increased you think you can take people's money at gunpoint? and so what if wages havent increased? or if they dont provide healthcare. nobody is forcing you to work there at gunpoint. its volentary. as transactions should be.


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    #25839829 - 02/26/19 08:54 PM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

In Canada, we can now all legally have 4 Cannabis plants.  :crazy2:


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    #25839833 - 02/26/19 08:57 PM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

Switzerland also has healthcare for its citizens. It would not be in their nature to experiment with how little you can possibly pay a worker and still have him show up to work. I have no problem with my taxes paying for social programs, the problem is that I'm paying corporate wage obligations. There are people who have jobs, who work long hours and still need these programs to survive because they aren't being paid enough. Should I pay Amazons workers, or should Amazon pay its own workers? They make huge untaxed profits with the help of me supplementing their growth.

I would love my tax money to go to healthcare instead of war after war, shit that goes nowhere. Subsidies for mega corporations.

You are talking about poor people and rich people in moral terms exactly as I described earlier. There is no meritocratic element to capitalism. It is a mechanism, like a door hinge, it is not capable of making moral judgments. I won't even address the comment about "weddlock" except to say that I got quite a laugh about it. Like poor people are bad for having children, that is a huge part of being a person, its not a special privilege you should have to buy into. Of course they don't know how to manage money, they've never had any, and shoddy 5th rate public schools in alabama are hardly teaching them how to read, let alone invest.

It's pretty easy for you to sit up there in your maple leaf tower, with your universal healthcare and your legal weed, and wax sentimental about American capitalism, but I don't think you know what your advocating for.


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    #25839856 - 02/26/19 09:05 PM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

Canada. Hands down. Bigger better cheaper cuter poutine (yes, poutine) nicer people doughnuts. The sea is fucking cold though.


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Switzerland also has healthcare for its citizens. It would not be in their nature to experiment with how little you can possibly pay a worker and still have him show up to work. I have no problem with my taxes paying for social programs, the problem is that I'm paying corporate wage obligations. There are people who have jobs, who work long hours and still need these programs to survive because they aren't being paid enough. Should I pay Amazons workers, or should Amazon pay its own workers? They make huge untaxed profits with the help of me supplementing their growth.

I would love my tax money to go to healthcare instead of war after war, shit that goes nowhere. Subsidies for mega corporations.

You are talking about poor people and rich people in moral terms exactly as I described earlier. There is no meritocratic element to capitalism. It is a mechanism, like a door hinge, it is not capable of making moral judgments. I won't even address the comment about "weddlock" except to say that I got quite a laugh about it. Like poor people are bad for having children, that is a huge part of being a person, its not a special privilege you should have to buy into. Of course they don't know how to manage money, they've never had any, and shoddy 5th rate public schools in alabama are hardly teaching them how to read, let alone invest.

It's pretty easy for you to sit up there in your maple leaf tower, with your universal healthcare and your legal weed, and wax sentimental about American capitalism, but I don't think you know what your advocating for.




acctually, in switzerland health insurance is privatized. you are forced to get it though. and the government offers subsidies to poor people. but its much better than the canadian system for example. where the government even has a monopoly on selling alcohol in many provinces.

nobody is obligated to pay a certain wage. nobody is forcing you to work there at gunpoint. its a volentary transaction. you are selling your labour. your employer is your business partner not your servant.

when you give the government the power to give subsides, then lobbyist can try to get subsidies to further their interests.  by advocating for big gocernment you are allowing these corruptions to take place. an institution cant be corrupt if it doesnt exist.

corporate bailouts are not capotalistic. they are not only uncapotalistic but redistributive and totally antithetical to what im promoting. you should be blaming the government for that not the market.

im not saying poor people are of less moral value. you are trying to smear me as uncaring. im simply pointing oit the fact that in a free society the choices you make contribute to your economic standing.

the fact that capitalism is unable to make moral judgement is what makes it maritocratic. the things that people are willing to volentarily pay for, being sold at at a competitive price are produced and made widely available. you have to generate something of value.

they arent bad for having children. its a statistical fact that people who have children outside marriage are more prone to being poor. the brookings institute is left winged. they arent trying to promote conservative family values they are pointing out a fact to address the problem of being being poor.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/amp/

www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/amp/


yeah public schools do suck. we have agreement there. i want privatization so dont blame me for public schools.

my healthcare sucks. i went to the hospital with my arm cut open and they said i couldnt get in for atleast three hours (its not uncommon to wait more than twice that in an emergency room) my friend waited six hoirs with a ruptured kidney. these are anaecdotal but here is something.

the supreme court of Canada found it unconstitutional for quebec to ban private health insurence because people were dying from wait times for screenings and opperations and stuff and a pannel of people can decide to stop covering you and let you die if they decide ita not worth it for the government. that violates the right to liberty. i do know what im advocating for. im advocating for freedom. economic freedom but also other freedoms. like the freedom of association and the right to your property. capitalism is the most moral system.


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    #25840036 - 02/26/19 10:25 PM (26 days, 4 hours ago)

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nobody is entitled?
we pay taxes
the last thing they should go torwards is making wealthy people richer

there are jobs out there that haven't had a wage increase in decades, jobs that don't even provide health insurace, so all the money you make goes back to paying for doctors
this country isn't that great, our only strength really is not having to go to war too often



nobody is entitled to anybody elses money. people in higher tax brackets pay more. thats redistribution. the government is taking peoples money at gunpoint and giving it to other people. and not only is it detrimental to the economy, its immoral..




those people make that money off the backs of workers
and no they do not have their money taken away, the richest companies get corporate welfare from the gov't, the richest of the richest assholes with monopolies don't get taxed at all

to put things in perspective if the owner of amazon paid every single one of his workers 100k
he'd still have 4 billion dollars left over

Did I say people in the gov't deserve 80k/100k paychecks of course not
but we the people deserve better than what we got now
and right now we work our asses off for very little money and the people that do get lucky aren't the majority
something has to be done to ensure the welfare of the worker, we deserve basic necessities for survival, even something as small as day care subsidies, doctor/dentist subsidies, anything, our gov't sits on 15 trillion dollar GDP and makes it 1 trillion in debt every year so it can get contractors in foriegn countries money
that's all our gov't does and it doesn't even make a profit for the people it services

I say we tax the fuck out of everyone unless they're investing that money into workers or materials
we should tax the ever living shit out of them after they make a few mill a year if they aren't actually spending to to build the economy up


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    #25840068 - 02/26/19 10:36 PM (26 days, 4 hours ago)

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nobody is entitled?
we pay taxes
the last thing they should go torwards is making wealthy people richer

there are jobs out there that haven't had a wage increase in decades, jobs that don't even provide health insurace, so all the money you make goes back to paying for doctors
this country isn't that great, our only strength really is not having to go to war too often



nobody is entitled to anybody elses money. people in higher tax brackets pay more. thats redistribution. the government is taking peoples money at gunpoint and giving it to other people. and not only is it detrimental to the economy, its immoral..




those people make that money off the backs of workers
and no they do not have their money taken away, the richest companies get corporate welfare from the gov't, the richest of the richest assholes with monopolies don't get taxed at all

to put things in perspective if the owner of amazon paid every single one of his workers 100k
he'd still have 4 billion dollars left over

Did I say people in the gov't deserve 80k/100k paychecks of course not
but we the people deserve better than what we got now
and right now we work our asses off for very little money and the people that do get lucky aren't the majority
something has to be done to ensure the welfare of the worker, we deserve basic necessities for survival, even something as small as day care



workers enter into a voluntary deal where they sell their labour. the investor is taking on the risk. if it doesnt work out (and in a free market, many things fail. only most innovative, highest quality and lowest cost goods and services make it) then they take the loss. the worker isnt taking any risk.

amazon created all those jobs. what jobs have you created, let alone jobs with 100k salaries.

it would be better if we fully embraced capitalism. look at my charts that i linked to showing how many people have been lifted out of poverty and how much gdp has been produced as a result of economic freedom. not to mention all the innovation that occurred during and since the industrial revolution.

but even if that werent true, why do you deserve it? what have you done to deserve it? because you are asking other people to do things for you for free. what have you done? nobody is entitled to anybody else's wealth. you gain wealth through voluntary transactions.

i believe in negative rights. things that cant be taken away from you, like freedom of speech, right to self preservation, freedom of association, right to life, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. i dont believe a right is something somebody has a responsibility to give to you for free.

the government giving money to corporations is totally antithetical to what im promoting. i agree its bad for the government to give money to corporations.

i believe everybody should own their own labour and the fruits of their own labour.

the government is what creates the monopolies by subsidising certain corportations. thats the governments fault. not the market.

i am a strong believer in charity btw. not theft at gunpoint.


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    #25840102 - 02/26/19 10:52 PM (26 days, 3 hours ago)

the smaller you are the riskier it is to run a business


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    #25840107 - 02/26/19 10:56 PM (26 days, 3 hours ago)

if you want to talk about making things riskier for small businesses there is a whole boatload of regulations, red tape and high taxes that cripple small businesses.

if you have something to offer that is innovative, high quality and reasonably priced then you can succeed. and maybe a bit of luck, you have to implement your business at a time when there is demand for it. many companies have been started in garages like apple.


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    #25840114 - 02/26/19 11:01 PM (26 days, 3 hours ago)

And tons of ways around it for big business


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    #25840115 - 02/26/19 11:01 PM (26 days, 3 hours ago)

like apple

and I didnt say start I said run


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    #25840132 - 02/26/19 11:08 PM (26 days, 3 hours ago)

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And tons of ways around it for big business



well they can afford to go through it all thats the thing. small business owners might not be able to. they have slim to no profit margins when they first start a company and they dont even know if the company is going to take off and they probably invested a good portion of their money into it. the government should stick to protecting life, liberty and property and stay out of the market.


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    #25840195 - 02/26/19 11:55 PM (26 days, 2 hours ago)

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blah blah blah blah I'm too cheap to pay my full time workers real wages blah blah blah






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    #25840214 - 02/27/19 12:13 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago)

I would tend to agree about the freedom thing.

But almost all billion dollar industries leave an irreversible wake of destruction on society and the environment

The bigger you are the more eggs u crack and the easier it is to burn the omelette that is... everything

And with the way things have been going, the way big business has been merging with big government and how the wealth gap has been widening year by year, we all hafta step tf up and think about where we're going instead of always leaving in up to the absolutely corrupted.

From the media to the food chain everything is contaminated. And so are you if you refuse to believe it.


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    #25840229 - 02/27/19 12:27 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago)

Make it rain on the desert.



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    #25840231 - 02/27/19 12:29 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago)

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America is not all it's cracked up to be. Parts of it are outright disgusting. We have a perverted form of capitalism that I would describe as extremist. Our democracy is a joke. A person working in a factory and saving to buy a home can expect to be laughed out of the bank, meanwhile A giant religious organization that attacks freedom and promotes the abuse of children is allowed to own huge swaths of land without paying a penny in taxes. That's america, money to the rich, power to the powerful, slavery for the rest.




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    #25840233 - 02/27/19 12:30 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago)

sounds like a troll bot


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    #25840238 - 02/27/19 12:35 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago)

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sounds like a troll bot



She does.


It's a vica versa.


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    #25840255 - 02/27/19 12:55 AM (26 days, 1 hour ago)

Lol I'm the one trolling? I understand some people are born poor but you can definitely fix that problem. If you have a low paying job do something about it! If someone is poor their entire life in the USA its usually their fault.  That's all I'm saying..  The advantage household in America made 59,039 in 2016. Its probably even more in 2018. I'm sorry but that not a poor country..


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    #25840256 - 02/27/19 12:57 AM (26 days, 1 hour ago)

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Lol I'm the one trolling? I understand some people are born poor but you can definitely fix that problem. If you have a low paying job do something about it! If someone is poor their entire life in the USA its usually their fault.  That's all I'm saying..  The advantage household in America made 59,0

Poor people live on the edge of life.


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    #25840301 - 02/27/19 02:01 AM (26 days, 50 minutes ago)

easy for a robot to say


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    #25840529 - 02/27/19 07:53 AM (25 days, 18 hours ago)

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Lol I'm the one trolling? I understand some people are born poor but you can definitely fix that problem. If you have a low paying job do something about it! If someone is poor their entire life in the USA its usually their fault.  That's all I'm saying..  The advantage household in America made 59,039 in 2016. Its probably even more in 2018. I'm sorry but that not a poor country..




Sounds like something a retarded person would say. $60,000 is nothing for a single family income when you factor in the price of housing and healthcare. Poor people work harder than rich people and they get less for it. Political power is condensed in the hands of the rich who slant the system to benefit themselves at the expense of working people. You are a supporter of corruption.


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    #25840857 - 02/27/19 11:29 AM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

This is what I mean by capitalist extremism. The idea that capitalism is the answer to every single fucking problem. That the "free market" is some devine force that functions like a god. A country that uses capitalism to fix every problem is like a contractor who refuses to use any tool besides a hammer. Capitalism is great for the distribution of non essential goods and services. It is a fucking abysmal system for determining who gets medical treatment, or how much education a person is entitled to. It is a horrible system to try and apply morality to, pretending that people who excel in capitalism do so because of some type of moral superiority is one of americas biggest problems. You excell in capitalism by being ruthless and this same ruthlessness has become our moral core.

Your stary eyed idealism blinds you. The rich use their money to send their children to lush private schools, while using their political influence to defund public schools, ensuring the calcification of economic disparity for years to come. They dump money into political activity that results in people being arrested over simple drug use, then support a system that stops these people from voting, and uses them for slavery.

You could get arrested for weed and be held in jail pending bail, while someone else beats their wife to a pulp and then walks right out of jail because he has the money, thats the morality of your free market. Thats pay to play justice.

The rich have used their political influence to suppress wages for fucking decades. When some guys job working 45 hours a week at TJ max fails to cover his $1800 a month rent, it becomes the tax payers job to pick up the slack through social welfare programs. I pay for those programs!!!!!!! My situation is hardly better than his but it comes from my tax burden. AMAZON PAYS NO TAXES, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PAYS NO TAXES. Amoazon does not pay their people enough to eat. The church teaches people wrong information and they use MY TAXES to pay MY POLICE, to guard their property. Property that they stole from my wallet while simultaneously preaching that i'm evil. I want to puke, even just laying this out makes me want to puke.

I pay out the ass in taxes, and I pay out the ass for my health insurance. Senator Lindsey Grahm, who is a piece of shit, lives off my tax money, I pay his health care while he sits there passing bills that elevate my health insurance costs!

The amount of MONEY i have paid out of my taxes for invasions of other countries, incarcerating people who are just like me, and buying goods and services for fat rich christian politicians. If I could have that fucking money back I would buy my own country.


Amen! Plus 1000!


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the fact is choices make people permanently poor.

Not always!

yes rich people also spend their money on their family and stuff. but not exclusively. whereas poor people only spend it on their family and stuff. rich people are the ones who invest in things to produce more wealth and create more jobs

You are delusional here.


nobody is entitled to any education or healthcare. its immoral to take people's money at gunpoint and give it to someone else.

This is a load of crap designed to keep ignorant people ignorant. No, we can not make people make moral choices when it comes to greed. Say a person has 5 apples. If they give 2 apples away they still have 3 times the amount of the other 2 people. BUT, a capitalist wants to keep 4 apples and make ten people split one apple. The problems started the day a corporation was given the right to be considered a human entity.

Corporate personhood- is the legal notion that a corporation, separately from its associated human beings (like owners, managers, or employees), has at least some of the legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons (physical humans).[1] In the United States and most countries, corporations have a right to enter into contracts with other parties and to sue or be sued in court in the same way as natural persons or unincorporated associations of persons. In a U.S. historical context, the phrase 'Corporate Personhood' refers to the ongoing legal debate over the extent to which rights traditionally associated with natural persons should also be afforded to corporations.

This is fucked up!

Greed is killing the planet. Your corporate idealism is fucked up way of looking at the world, unfortunately it is the reigning way of doing things. Holding a gun to a head to take their money, pfshhtt, what a fucking joke!

How in the FUCK does a multi million/billion dollar corp lose money if they are making millions/billions!?!?

CORP.: We want 5 billion dollars this year!

People: You can still make 3 billion and spread out that 2 billion so a lot of other people can make a decent living and be happier more productive people.

CORP.: NO!!! It is our right as a company/corporation to make as much as possible at the expense of who the fuck ever, fuck everyone else! WE started this company, WE make the choices, WE went to the schools with the frats that got us connected due to coming from money that other people don't have, WE are better because of this! I need a solid gold toilet seat and a new Mercedes or BMW for my 16 yo kid.

and so on, ad nauseum:scat::scat::scat:

Huge companies pay almost no taxes or none at all because they have rich lawyer friends that find fucking loopholes because it was set up that way by rich people and so on and so on, FUUUUUUUCK!


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    #25840864 - 02/27/19 11:34 AM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

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    #25840918 - 02/27/19 11:57 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

Just the first page I looked in my search. This is a known fact most very wealthy people had it handed to them and didn't work really hard to make it. And I quote: "...a small loan of a million dollars"....who in the FUCK gets a small loan of a million dollars and considers it a small loan!?!? Absolutely fucking infuriating!!!

https://www.quora.com/Is-most-present-day-wealth-inherited-or-earned
Many more people today are creating it than ever before.  Companies like Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google and similar are the result of creativity, creating or earning it.

That pales in comparison to those that simply continue managing the family's money when their elder's pass on.

However, getting money passed on is still tiny compared to the other ways people pass on their wealth.  When a major, family owned corporation stays in the family after a generation, it carries much more than wealth.  And for the most part, the other 'things' it carries, all translate into more wealth.

The obvious example is stock ownership and company control.  This is where the majority of family wealth was stored so it's basically a tax-free way to pass it down.  "Ok, son.  You're now the CEO"

Tax the fuck out of these fuckers! They will still have millions/billions, and continue to make it from the inherited wealth and fucking business they just got handed to them!!!


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Lol I'm the one trolling? I understand some people are born poor but you can definitely fix that problem. If you have a low paying job do something about it! If someone is poor their entire life in the USA its usually their fault.  That's all I'm saying..  The advantage household in America made 59,039 in 2016. Its probably even more in 2018. I'm sorry but that not a poor country..




Sounds like something a retarded person would say. $60,000 is nothing for a single family income when you factor in the price of housing and healthcare. Poor people work harder than rich people and they get less for it. Political power is condensed in the hands of the rich who slant the system to benefit themselves at the expense of working people. You are a supporter of corruption.



why cant he just disagree? why does he have to be retarded. i disagree with you. im not calling you retarded. there is no need for that. it doesnt make you more right and it doesnt help find common ground.

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blah blah blah blah I'm too cheap to pay my full time workers real wages blah blah blah

the market sets the wages. if it were cost effwctive for someone to pay their employees more for the exact sane work they could take advantage of that opening in the market and gain a competitive edge.








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I would tend to agree about the freedom thing.

But almost all billion dollar industries leave an irreversible wake of destruction on society and the environment

The bigger you are the more eggs u crack and the easier it is to burn the omelette that is... everything

And with the way things have been going, the way big business has been merging with big government and how the wealth gap has been widening year by year, we all hafta step tf up and think about where we're going instead of always leaving in up to the absolutely corrupted.

From the media to the food chain everything is contaminated. And so are you if you refuse to believe it.



big government is the only thing that can acctually use force to control the way things are. thats what you should be worried about. not corportations.

you dont understand. i dont want government involved in business. thats exactly what im against. you people calling for regulation and redistribution are the ones who are creating that problem. i dont want the government to be able to be corrupted in the first place because i dont want these systems that can be corrupted. in order for something to be corrupted it has to exist. if the government didnt have power in the market then we wouldnt have this problem.

income inequality is not acctually a problem.  first of all, you cant gaurentee both equality of outcome and equality of opportunity. if you have true equality of opportunity, you cant gaurentee equality of outcome. so in order to gaurentee equality of outcome you must sacrifice equality of opportunity.

also, the rich are getting wealthier faster, but the poor are still getting wealthier. free markets distribute the wealth unevenly but they still produce the most wealth. in the west out poor people are better off than other poor people. would you rather have your wealth and living standard increasing but there is a larger gap between you and the richest person, or have a stagnant economy and living standard but the richest people have less? because those are your options. economic freedom creates wealth.

and besides as long as you arent starving, why do you care how well off other people are? its not your wealth so stop worrying about it. its wrong to be envious and resentful of successful people and its even more wrong to take their money at gunpoint.

you say you want freedom and dont want big government but then you advocate against freedom and in favour of big government.


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    #25840956 - 02/27/19 12:17 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

"Not always!"
first of all if you want to quaotr me then quote me. dont paraphrase as that can lead to putting words in my mouth and manipulating the conversation. did you even read the stats i linked you too? i posted data. you posted a totally unsubstantiated claim.

how am i delusional? rich people do make investments and create jobs. thats how they get richer. you cant just say im delusional you have to say something substantive. you arent changing any monds calling people delusional and leaving it at that.


right wingers donate more to charity so pro capitalists do spread their money around.

government measures are compelled by force. thats what government measures are. so yes, by redistributing peoples tax dollars you are taking money at the point of a gun.

you have a constitutional right to property. your property can not be taken without just compensation according to the constitution.

if it were cost effective for someone to pay their employees more for the exact same work, they could take advantage of that and gain a competitive edge.

do you think that by taking on no risk, employing no people you should make the same as an employer just by selling your labour? if im delusional then idk what you would call that.

what do tou mean corporate idealism? i am just advocating for not only the best system that has pulled more people out of poverty than anything else in human history by a huge margin (see my charts that i linked to earlier) but inaleinable human rights.

you dont have a right to anybody's wealth. thinking you do is the messed up way of lookong at the world. not beleiving we should all own our own labour. thats a moral way of looking at the world.

its not their right to make as much money as possible. they have to earn it buly offering something people want at a reasonable price.  its their right to own the money they do earn. you think its not their right to keep their own money but its your right to take someone elses money? thats deeply immoral.


in regards to your last point about lawyers and corruption. if thr government didnt have power over the market there wouldnt be corruption. you are the one who is advocating for a big government that can be corrupted for personal gain. blame the government for corruption. not people who are directly speaking out against rhe government. you dont even know what i am in favour of here.

every single person who has replied has blamed corruption on capitalism. its the government. only the government can force us to do things at the point of a gun. if you dont want corruption, blame the government.


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    #25840967 - 02/27/19 12:21 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

Another example is the name.  Donald Trump is famous for going bankrupt and regaining his wealth a few times.  He accomplishes this because of reputation and that comes in large part because his name was basically trademarked.  This is a huge asset for him but also, it's an unseen asset that he partially passes on to his kids.  "I want a crazy deal where I can make tons for both you and me.  Oh, by the way, my name is Trump.  Yes, he's my dad."  Many actors and actresses, recording artists, designers, politicians, famous people use this type of capitol to gain advantage in the introduction and trust phases of making their own mark on the world while unknown people don't have this wealth available.

Another example is the land, artwork, rare cars and other assets they own.  Many wealthy people put it into a trust for the family and pass the trust's ownership on that way.

But the biggest way is hidden or offshore assets (Cayman Islands anyone).

So, to compare the large number of people earning wealth to the massive number of ways wealth is inherited is no comparison.


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    #25840977 - 02/27/19 12:24 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Just the first page I looked in my search. This is a known fact most very wealthy people had it handed to them and didn't work really hard to make it. And I quote: "...a small loan of a million dollars"....who in the FUCK gets a small loan of a million dollars and considers it a small loan!?!? Absolutely fucking infuriating!!!

https://www.quora.com/Is-most-present-day-wealth-inherited-or-earned
Many more people today are creating it than ever before.  Companies like Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google and similar are the result of creativity, creating or earning it.

That pales in comparison to those that simply continue managing the family's money when their elder's pass on.

However, getting money passed on is still tiny compared to the other ways people pass on their wealth.  When a major, family owned corporation stays in the family after a generation, it carries much more than wealth.  And for the most part, the other 'things' it carries, all translate into more wealth.

The obvious example is stock ownership and company control.  This is where the majority of family wealth was stored so it's basically a tax-free way to pass it down.  "Ok, son.  You're now the CEO"

Tax the fuck out of these fuckers! They will still have millions/billions, and continue to make it from the inherited wealth and fucking business they just got handed to them!!!



first of all ive been posting real data. quora doesnt count. btw the first answer which acctually provides evidence says its earned not inhereted and theh acctually provided a source unlike the people who simply speculated that it was inhereted.

so you feel entitled to the money that i earned for my kids? if all my money is going to be taken when i die then maybe i wouldmt have bothered being responsible anyway. if i cant give my kids a head start why not spend all my money on hedonism?

if you want to ensure that everybody has an equal outcome then you have to do aeay eith equality of opportunity. are you willing to sacrifice equal opportunity to make sure we all get the same amount of wealth regardless of how much wealth we create or how many people we employ?

why is it ok for you to take peoples money at the point of a gun but its not ok for people to keep money they earned theough engaging in volentary tramsactions.


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    #25840983 - 02/27/19 12:25 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

if the government didn't have power in the market then we wouldn't have this problem

A delusional observation and statement of the highest degree! Like I said earlier, people can not force other people to be morally just and fair, and when something is set up for evil greedy heartless fucks to gain power and control, the heartless greedy fuck vultures will come after it with not holds barred picking every last bit of meat off the carrion before moving to the next one.


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    #25840984 - 02/27/19 12:26 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Another example is the name.  Donald Trump is famous for going bankrupt and regaining his wealth a few times.  He accomplishes this because of reputation and that comes in large part because his name was basically trademarked.  This is a huge asset for him but also, it's an unseen asset that he partially passes on to his kids.  "I want a crazy deal where I can make tons for both you and me.  Oh, by the way, my name is Trump.  Yes, he's my dad."  Many actors and actresses, recording artists, designers, politicians, famous people use this type of capitol to gain advantage in the introduction and trust phases of making their own mark on the world while unknown people don't have this wealth available.

Another example is the land, artwork, rare cars and other assets they own.  Many wealthy people put it into a trust for the family and pass the trust's ownership on that way.

But the biggest way is hidden or offshore assets (Cayman Islands anyone).

So, to compare the large number of people earning wealth to the massive number of ways wealth is inherited is no comparison.



you aremt giving me any numbers.
besides it doesnt matter. somebody earned the money and its their money to give to whoever they want. it doesnt belong to you.


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    #25840991 - 02/27/19 12:28 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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if the government didn't have power in the market then we wouldn't have this problem

A delusional observation and statement of the highest degree! Like I said earlier, people can not force other people to be morally just and fair, and when something is set up for evil greedy heartless fucks to gain power and control, the heartless greedy fuck vultures will come after it with not holds barred picking every last bit of meat off the carrion before moving to the next one.



they have to offer something pepople want, at a price they are willing to pay. all transactions are volentary in a free market. the government is the one who compells people to do tuings by force.

why dont you invest all your money in a nusiness that might not even take off and employ a bunch of people? you sound like you want to be rich but you dont want to acctually earn any money or do anything productive.


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    #25840992 - 02/27/19 12:29 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

right wingers donate more to charity so pro capitalists do spread their money around.


...and then get it back by not paying taxes or finding a loophole to get it back from the IRS, it's a sad circle of shit. So they really don't fucking pay ANYTHING at all. It's just something they say/print to quell people that are disgruntled.


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    #25841005 - 02/27/19 12:33 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

Meh, more money, more problems. I consider myself "rich" but not by the standards of the american corporate way. I have never had as much as I do now and I don't take it for granted at all. It could all go away tomorrow.:shrug: When a person grows up really poor like I did they learn to appreciate every single little thing (hopefully).


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    #25841016 - 02/27/19 12:35 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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right wingers donate more to charity so pro capitalists do spread their money around.


...and then get it back by not paying taxes or finding a loophole to get it back from the IRS, it's a sad circle of shit. So they really don't fucking pay ANYTHING at all. It's just something they say/print to quell people that are disgruntled.



that makes no sense. they dont get the money they gave to chariry back.

and im a right winger and i pay my taxes. the government gives alot of them back to me becaude i have such a low income though. i think thats wrong. i dont think i deserve other people's stolen money.

you dont think any eldt wingers take advantage of loopholes? thats ridiculous.

show me the math you are using to get to them paying nothing.

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    #25841018 - 02/27/19 12:36 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Lol I'm the one trolling? I understand some people are born poor but you can definitely fix that problem. If you have a low paying job do something about it! If someone is poor their entire life in the USA its usually their fault.  That's all I'm saying..  The advantage household in America made 59,039 in 2016. Its probably even more in 2018. I'm sorry but that not a poor country..




Sounds like something a retarded person would say. $60,000 is nothing for a single family income when you factor in the price of housing and healthcare. Poor people work harder than rich people and they get less for it. Political power is condensed in the hands of the rich who slant the system to benefit themselves at the expense of working people. You are a supporter of corruption.



"why cant he just disagree? why does he have to be retarded. i disagree with you. im not calling you retarded. there is no need for that. it doesnt make you more right and it doesnt help find common ground. "

I called him retarded because he called me lazy. I don't take it back, it is an accurate assessment. I have a job, pay for my own housing, my own healthcare, but I don't pretend that makes me better than other people. I don't pretend like people who have to struggle, do so because they are bad people. That kind of thinking is bought and paid for programing, and the people who fall for it are retarded.


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    #25841023 - 02/27/19 12:37 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Meh, more money, more problems. I consider myself "rich" but not by the standards of the american corporate way. I have never had as much as I do now and I don't take it for granted at all. It could all go away tomorrow.:shrug: When a person grows up really poor like I did they learn to appreciate every single little thing (hopefully).



so you were once poor but now arent. because you are older and have had a chnace to accumulate wealth. there is plenty of economic mobility. people go in and out of the 1 percent all the time. the proportion of pekple stays the same. the people constantly change.

if you had made a bunch of poor financial choices do you tjink you would be on the same place regardless?


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    #25841030 - 02/27/19 12:39 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Lol I'm the one trolling? I understand some people are born poor but you can definitely fix that problem. If you have a low paying job do something about it! If someone is poor their entire life in the USA its usually their fault.  That's all I'm saying..  The advantage household in America made 59,039 in 2016. Its probably even more in 2018. I'm sorry but that not a poor country..




Sounds like something a retarded person would say. $60,000 is nothing for a single family income when you factor in the price of housing and healthcare. Poor people work harder than rich people and they get less for it. Political power is condensed in the hands of the rich who slant the system to benefit themselves at the expense of working people. You are a supporter of corruption.



"why cant he just disagree? why does he have to be retarded. i disagree with you. im not calling you retarded. there is no need for that. it doesnt make you more right and it doesnt help find common ground. "

I called him retarded because he called me lazy. I don't take it back, it is an accurate assessment. I have a job, pay for my own housing, my own healthcare, but I don't pretend that makes me better than other people. I don't pretend like people who have to struggle, do so because they are bad people. That kind of thinking is bought and paid for programing, and the people who fall for it are retarded.



i dont think people are bad people for struggling either. i simply pointed out facts. 2 percent of the people who follow the rules given by the (left wing) brookings institute are perminemtly poor in the usa. 2%. amd those are the BARE MINIMUM rules for being responsible. thats a statistical realitt. you cant say i think poor people are worth less just because i am acknowledging a fact.

personal attacks arent a way to have a productive discussion. i genuinely enjoy discussing ideas. im doing this because i think its productive and fun. if you are genuinely angry not civil then why are we doing this? i dont want to be personally attacking eachother.


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    #25841042 - 02/27/19 12:45 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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right wingers donate more to charity so pro capitalists do spread their money around.


...and then get it back by not paying taxes or finding a loophole to get it back from the IRS, it's a sad circle of shit. So they really don't fucking pay ANYTHING at all. It's just something they say/print to quell people that are disgruntled.



that makes no sense. they dont get the money they gave to chariry back.

and im a right winger and i pay my taxes. the government gives alot of them back to me becaude i have such a low income though. i think thats wrong. i dont think i deserve other people's stolen money.

you dont think any eldt wingers take advantage of loopholes? thats ridiculous.

show me the math you are using to get to them paying nothing.

name some loopholes. you cant just say "there are general problems out there that i cant point"



I'm not a "left wing/right wing" arguer person. There are general problems out there that I can't/don't care to do the research to point at because it's common knowledge for anyone who digs just a bit under the surface. Right, left, doesn't fucking matter, it's the elite rich and corporate fat cat fucks that are fucking greedy as fuck that WILL NOT make moral decisions about money they will NEVER spend in their lifetime, nor will their kids!


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    #25841075 - 02/27/19 12:53 PM (25 days, 13 hours ago)

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right wingers donate more to charity so pro capitalists do spread their money around.


...and then get it back by not paying taxes or finding a loophole to get it back from the IRS, it's a sad circle of shit. So they really don't fucking pay ANYTHING at all. It's just something they say/print to quell people that are disgruntled.



that makes no sense. they dont get the money they gave to chariry back.

and im a right winger and i pay my taxes. the government gives alot of them back to me becaude i have such a low income though. i think thats wrong. i dont think i deserve other people's stolen money.

you dont think any eldt wingers take advantage of loopholes? thats ridiculous.

show me the math you are using to get to them paying nothing.

name some loopholes. you cant just say "there are general problems out there that i cant point"



I'm not a "left wing/right wing" arguer person. There are general problems out there that I can't/don't care to do the research to point at because it's common knowledge for anyone who digs just a bit under the surface. Right, left, doesn't fucking matter, it's the elite rich and corporate fat cat fucks that are fucking greedy as fuck that WILL NOT make moral decisions about money they will NEVER spend in their lifetime, nor will their kids!



ypu are the one who said right wingers dont pay taxes. i was imply saying the people in favour of smaller government and less regulation also give more charity so its not that they are selfish.

in order for the rich to get richer they need to spend their money. if they arent constantly making investments and growing their bank account their bank account is degenerating. you think of spending

they dont have to make moral choices they have to make good choices. they have to offer something people want at a price they are willing to pay. many entrepreneurs will tell you there are sevral failures for every success. its not easy to succeed.

if you dont care to do the research then dont try to respond to soeone who is giving ard data. go have a theoretical conversation with someone else and ou wont be asked to substantiate your claims.


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    #25841091 - 02/27/19 01:00 PM (25 days, 13 hours ago)

People created money. Not the other way around. They didn't create it so they could be enslaved by it. Human life is supposed to be worth more than money. Human bodies are not supposed to be bought and sold. People's decisions are not supposed to be made for them by money, or people with money. Natural resources belong to every living creature, they are not meant to be commoditized. People are not supposed to stand idol while they witness atrocities, just because they don't feel they have the money to purchase moral authority to take action against the problems in the world. There is a time and a place for money, it's supposed to be just another tool, or shinny bauble, but extreme capitalism treats money as divine and above all else.


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    #25841165 - 02/27/19 01:44 PM (25 days, 13 hours ago)

they don't have to make moral choices

Bingo! Therein lies the problem(s). Rich don't care because they don't have to.


if you dont care to do the research then dont try to respond to soeone who is giving ard data. go have a theoretical conversation with someone else and ou wont be asked to substantiate your claims.

I really do not care to substantiate any "claims" or anything I post here. Do the research yourself since you are the one researching stuff to post initially about the subject. I just like to counter point bullshit when I see it, especially on an anonymous drug forum. Data can be skewed to make anything look good in the favor to the one researching it. I have a strong opinion on this subject due to the things I have seen and experienced in life. I get infuriated with this shit because it's a futile conversation with some people, and nothing ever gets done to change it because the rich elite keep it that way. I'm not mad at you in particular though, I like discussions/arguments to a certain point. There is NO WAY that people can make other people ethical, moral, fair, just ,and not greedy. Otherwise this conversation/argument and situation would not be prevalent.


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    #25841173 - 02/27/19 01:47 PM (25 days, 13 hours ago)

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People created money. Not the other way around. They didn't create it so they could be enslaved by it. Human life is supposed to be worth more than money. Human bodies are not supposed to be bought and sold. People's decisions are not supposed to be made for them by money, or people with money. Natural resources belong to every living creature, they are not meant to be commoditized. People are not supposed to stand idol while they witness atrocities, just because they don't feel they have the money to purchase moral authority to take action against the problems in the world. There is a time and a place for money, it's supposed to be just another tool, or shinny bauble, but extreme capitalism treats money as divine and above all else.



well why dont you address the facts ive used to show that economic freedom is good for the whole economy and has lifted more people out of poverty than anything in history? you can sit in your ivory tower with all of your theoretical ideas all you want. the fact is that when people are free to engage in voluntary transactions as they please, more wealth is produced.

people are not supposed to have their decisions made for them by a government


money is just a placeholder for labour. when you provide a good or service other people want to pay you for, you should be entitled to the fruits of your labour or investment. value is created independent of money. if you turn dirt, sunlight and water into corn you have generated wealth. when you use raw materials to make something of value, you have created wealth, when you organize a service that people actually want, you have created wealth. when you sell it, no wealth has actually been created. you simply exchange something of value for something else of value. and the value depends on the demand. it would be the exact same without money. money just makes it easier to trade because its something that will be universally accepted you dont have to wait for someone who has the thing you need and wants the thing you have. the creation of money has no impact on the fact that you have a right to property. things can not be taken from you without just compensation. meaning if the government lets say takes your property and turns it into public land, you must be justly compensated. If the government takes your tax dollars they have to give you something in return. they cant give it away to someone else. that is your right as a human being. thats in your constitution. now i hope we all feel a moral obligation to give charity. but it should not be an involuntary, legal obligation, compelled by force.

yes natural resources should belong to everybody. you can live on rainwater or boiled or filtered water from lakes and streams. if you want running water, hot or cold, on demand. or sanitized and packaged water you are going to need to engage in a voluntary exchange with somebody who has it or make it yourself. its people's labour you have to pay for. somebody had to organize a company, invest in equipment, pay employees and advertise his/her product.

im in favour of conservation. just not the government taking things without just compensation. 



money doesnt purchase moral authority. you are framing it in such a typical marxist oppressed vs oppressor way. corporations cant use force to compel anything. them having money isnt oppressing you. help create something of value or gain skills that will allow you to sell your labour at a high rate.


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    #25841178 - 02/27/19 01:49 PM (25 days, 13 hours ago)

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they don't have to make moral choices

Bingo! Therein lies the problem(s). Rich don't care because they don't have to.


if you dont care to do the research then dont try to respond to soeone who is giving ard data. go have a theoretical conversation with someone else and ou wont be asked to substantiate your claims.

I really do not care to substantiate any "claims" or anything I post here. Do the research yourself since you are the one researching stuff to post initially about the subject. I just like to counter point bullshit when I see it, especially on an anonymous drug forum. Data can be skewed to make anything look good in the favor to the one researching it. I have a strong opinion on this subject due to the things I have seen and experienced in life. I get infuriated with this shit because it's a futile conversation with some people, and nothing ever gets done to change it because the rich elite keep it that way. I'm not mad at you in particular though, I like discussions/arguments to a certain point. There is NO WAY that people can make other people ethical, moral, fair, just ,and not greedy. Otherwise this conversation/argument and situation would not be prevalent.



i dont trust the government to make moral choices for me. or anybody else. you interpret taking the fruits of someone elses labour at gunpoint and consider that virtuous. why would i wan you making moral choices for me?

and the governments of both of our countries have shown that we can not trust them to protect religious liberty.

the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.

i agree data can be misapplied or even scewed in any number of ways. and i point out why stats are false or not reputable, or the applications of them are misleading/disingenuous all the time on this site when people post their sources. thats how you change peoples minds. with facts. not theoretical ideas.


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    #25841182 - 02/27/19 01:50 PM (25 days, 13 hours ago)

Some people have more opportunities to make more money, and they are greedy and do not wan to share anything at all no matter how much it would benefit them or anyone else. They just want to take and take and take. People with less opportunities could produce if given the chance sometimes, but suppression keeps them down and thereby creates a mindset of "fuck it".


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    #25841223 - 02/27/19 02:12 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

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Some people have more opportunities to make more money, and they are greedy and do not wan to share anything at all no matter how much it would benefit them or anyone else. They just want to take and take and take. People with less opportunities could produce if given the chance sometimes, but suppression keeps them down and thereby creates a mindset of "fuck it".



the way you get wealthy is by doing something valuable, that benefits other people. the way you get rich is by providing a good or service at a lower price and at a higher quality and by being innovative. business owners and investors create jobs and innovation.

everybody has alot of opportunity. people who are poor and win the lottery disproportionately end up poor again. and besides, you cant guarantee both equality of outcome and equality of opportunity which means that in order to guarantee that everybody gets the same outcome, you have to be willing to sacrifice equality of opportunity.

you want to talk about giving poor people a chance? there is a whole bunch of regulations, red tape and taxes imposed by the government that make starting a small business way more risky. in a freer market, people would be freer to engage in voluntary transactions with people and anybody who can offer goods/services in high demand would be able to sell their product/service.


what i want is for everyone to be given the chance. what you want is for the fruits of people's labour to be taken at gunpoint and redistributed. thats not giving people an opportunity, thats providing an outcome.


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    #25841227 - 02/27/19 02:13 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

Let me also add that my idea of being wealthy/rich is being able to afford a new set of tires when needed, not one used tire, but all 4 new tires. Also a new appliance, or something for your safety and comfort, food etc...without having to worry about giving up something else for a month, or getting something sub par due to not having enough money. Why are there inferior products? Why not have all good stuff that lasts for a longer time? Oh, capitalism and providing a service that is better for more money that's why. Used to be things were made to last, now things are "just throw it away and get a new one" due to cheap products coming from cheap labor that was allowed to so that a person/company/business/corporation could make more fucking money!


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    #25841230 - 02/27/19 02:14 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

pretty soon all of us will be dead enjoy your life

don't do anything stupid

don't let that scare you

i know you all know this

found a few jobs over here but i am packing my bags taking off to pick mushrooms and drink water from the ground in EU with wild dogs for real

where i come from is it's one of the best places you can be in the world but people here don't see that

most they see a bag of dope :syringe: nobody likes your stupid weed  :lmafo:

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    #25841231 - 02/27/19 02:14 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

I THOUGHT YOU WERE AT WERK:kingcrankey:


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    #25841232 - 02/27/19 02:15 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

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pretty soon all of us will be dead enjoy your life

don't do anything stupid

don't let that scare you


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FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS AND SPREAD THAT LOVE THAT YOU HAVE WHENEVER POSSIBLE!

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    #25841235 - 02/27/19 02:17 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

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    #25841237 - 02/27/19 02:17 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

Lunch break.:grin:


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    #25841246 - 02/27/19 02:22 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

i will message you from the top of a mountain with a picture of my wild dog they will find me its going to be hard to let it go

i've been there be wild you fool for real wave good bye :'(

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    #25841247 - 02/27/19 02:23 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

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Let me also add that my idea of being wealthy/rich is being able to afford a new set of tires when needed, not one used tire, but all 4 new tires. Also a new appliance, or something for your safety and comfort, food etc...without having to worry about giving up something else for a month, or getting something sub par due to not having enough money. Why are there inferior products? Why not have all good stuff that lasts for a longer time? Oh, capitalism and providing a service that is better for more money that's why. Used to be things were made to last, now things are "just throw it away and get a new one" due to cheap products coming from cheap labor that was allowed to so that a person/company/business/corporation could make more fucking money!



you are not forced to buy from companies that make crappy stuff. its voluntary. the reason the cost is low is because there is a demand for something low cost. but high quality is also in demand. so there if there isnt already a product offering high quality at a price people are willing to pay then there is an opening in the market and somebody can gain a competitive edge by filling it.

there will always be a market for cheap stuff because there will always be people who want to save a buck.

capitalism drives innovation, brings cost down and quality up. if the government had a monopoly on production there would be no competition and no need to offer high quality, low cost (to the tax payer) or innovation.

you trust the government to do a better job than people who are forced to appeal to demand? in Canada we trust the government with the responsibility of providing healthcare and that works out horribly for us.


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    #25841249 - 02/27/19 02:24 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

i love you guys

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    #25841252 - 02/27/19 02:26 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

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i will message you from the top of a mountain with a picture of my wild dog they will find me its going to be hard to let it go

i've been there be wild you fool for real wave good bye :'(

animals here look really healthy




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    #25841269 - 02/27/19 02:32 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

There is always going to be a demand for low cost stuff, but what about people that can't afford low cost stuff? Why should they have inferior products that have to be replaced more often thereby making them spend more money in the long run? Why is there sub par prepackaged nuclear proof food really cheap and the really good for you "organic" etc...food and products are way beyond the reach of most people? Healthy choices and better products for one and their offspring shouldn't cost more. Why are the best things the most expensive when a business/company/corporation could make med to excellent products/food and services available by not taking in so much money and still be billionaires? (Hint: GREED!) Why do they need to have 5 billion instead of 3 billion? Why are businesses allowed to go overseas and pay people 0.05 cents an hour for work? It's just fucking putrid the way the shit works.


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    #25841293 - 02/27/19 02:42 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

Not everyone wants to be "rich" and have multi room mansions, gold toilet seats, yachts, club memberships, and so on. Why is being humble and not greedy looked at as lazy and inept? Everyone can't be rich, innovative, and own a business. Who would do the work? People in power keep it a certain way so they have drones for the hive.


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    #25841302 - 02/27/19 02:44 PM (25 days, 12 hours ago)

you are not forced to buy from companies that make crappy stuff


Yes, people are forced to do so by not making enough money to buy better things because the corporation doesn't want to pay living decent wages to the worker, see the vicious circle here?


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    #25841327 - 02/27/19 03:03 PM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

Canada is under the dominion of the royal family

That bitch owns more land than you or i could comprehend

Its the illusion of freedom, no guns to stand for yourselves

The us has always and always will daddy dick Canada

That being said, i lived in Kitchener as a teen playing for the rangers, and they LOVE hockey up there, and the city seemed nice to a young me

But, we were treated like celebrities, hostwd the memorial cup and all

Picked up this chick who worked at an italian shoe store in the mall up there, this blonde

Once i mentioned the rangers i had the slut driving me to and from the arena and my host familied home, we had our own fridge, jacuzzi at the house...

Crazy shit, fucked up up there, pete debour was my coach and he said i had as good a set of hands hes seen on a big guy in a long time, said i couldve made it to the show, yet here i am


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    #25841360 - 02/27/19 03:18 PM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

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right wingers donate more to charity so pro capitalists do spread their money around.


...and then get it back by not paying taxes or finding a loophole to get it back from the IRS, it's a sad circle of shit. So they really don't fucking pay ANYTHING at all. It's just something they say/print to quell people that are disgruntled.



that makes no sense. they dont get the money they gave to chariry back.

and im a right winger and i pay my taxes. the government gives alot of them back to me becaude i have such a low income though. i think thats wrong. i dont think i deserve other people's stolen money.

you dont think any eldt wingers take advantage of loopholes? thats ridiculous.

show me the math you are using to get to them paying nothing.

name some loopholes. you cant just say "there are general problems out there that i cant point"



I'm not a "left wing/right wing" arguer person. There are general problems out there that I can't/don't care to do the research to point at because it's common knowledge for anyone who digs just a bit under the surface. Right, left, doesn't fucking matter, it's the elite rich and corporate fat cat fucks that are fucking greedy as fuck that WILL NOT make moral decisions about money they will NEVER spend in their lifetime, nor will their kids!



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    #25841362 - 02/27/19 03:19 PM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

last post for a long time :angrymob:

i have little to no money just worked for minimunm wage at some tough jobs

lucky enough to have lived at home i am a loser ; )

shit i just came on here to be friendly

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    #25841364 - 02/27/19 03:20 PM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

Love to you too mon! Take it easy and be well, have fun in life I say!


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    #25841371 - 02/27/19 03:23 PM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

Read it, let it sink in, but it's a futile effort unless enough people stand up, because like the song says, that's just the way it is. That bold part sums up a lot of rich peoples way of being.



Standing in line, marking time
Waiting for the welfare dime
'Cause they can't buy a job
The man in the silk suit hurries by
As he catches the poor old lady's eyes
Just for fun he says, "Get a job.
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That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
Ah, but don't you believe them
Said hey, little boy, you can't go where the others go
'Cause you don't look like they do
Said hey, old man, how can you stand to think that way?
Did you really think about it before you made the rules?
He said, son
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
Ah, but don't you believe them
Yeah
That's just the way it is
That's just the way it is
Well, they passed a law in '64
To give those who ain't got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law don't change another's mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar, no
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
That's just the way it is, it is, it is, it is


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    #25841404 - 02/27/19 03:38 PM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

anarcho punk from Soctland it gets good :peace:

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    #25841437 - 02/27/19 03:52 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

Thank you mon, that cover art is fucking great too! Scottish is part of my heritage.


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    #25841489 - 02/27/19 04:12 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

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    #25841496 - 02/27/19 04:17 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

OP, I bet you didn't see this shit coming!


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    #25841534 - 02/27/19 04:32 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

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you are not forced to buy from companies that make crappy stuff


Yes, people are forced to do so by not making enough money to buy better things because the corporation doesn't want to pay living decent wages to the worker, see the vicious circle here?




There is no vicious circle. People could get a 2nd job and buy something better if they wanted to. People don't have to work for corporations that don't pay them enough. They all have a choice of how much money to make, where they work, and what they spend their money on.


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    #25841554 - 02/27/19 04:40 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

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you are not forced to buy from companies that make crappy stuff


Yes, people are forced to do so by not making enough money to buy better things because the corporation doesn't want to pay living decent wages to the worker, see the vicious circle here?




There is no vicious circle. People could get a 2nd job and buy something better if they wanted to. People don't have to work for corporations that don't pay them enough. They all have a choice of how much money to make, where they work, and what they spend their money on.




then why did amazon not build in nyc?

oh right they didn't want unions there because they don't want representation for the worker so he doesnt' have to piss in bottles during his shift


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    #25841558 - 02/27/19 04:41 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

Not in every instance/case. There is a vicious cycle. It can be broken, but it is VERY difficult for a lot of people. I broke it, but I had an opportunity pop up luckily. I suffered somewhat, well maybe a lot of mental stress, but I persevered. Some people can not do so, nor do they have the slightest opportunity.


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    #25841623 - 02/27/19 05:08 PM (25 days, 9 hours ago)

There is no cycle. No one is forced to work anywhere. I'm not saying it is easy to get out of poverty. You have to work hard and make sacrifices.

When I was 19 years old I had a box of belongings, a little money, and someone let me sleep in their house for a month. I was basically on the streets with no money so I got a job and worked my ass off for $8 an hour. It wasn't enough to give me extra spending money so I took a job on the weekends too. Now my household can bring in over $400,000 a year. You have to work hard and make your own opportunities.



Konyab, if you don't want to work for Amazon then don't work for them. No one is forcing anybody to work there. If you don't like the way they treat their workers then don't support them. I own my own company and sometimes I piss in a bottle on my shift. You gotta do what you gotta do to make money.


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    #25841706 - 02/27/19 05:57 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

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Read it, let it sink in, but it's a futile effort unless enough people stand up, because like the song says, that's just the way it is. That bold part sums up a lot of rich peoples way of being.



Standing in line, marking time
Waiting for the welfare dime
'Cause they can't buy a job
The man in the silk suit hurries by
As he catches the poor old lady's eyes
Just for fun he says, "Get a job.
"
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
Ah, but don't you believe them
Said hey, little boy, you can't go where the others go
'Cause you don't look like they do
Said hey, old man, how can you stand to think that way?
Did you really think about it before you made the rules?
He said, son
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
Ah, but don't you believe them
Yeah
That's just the way it is
That's just the way it is
Well, they passed a law in '64
To give those who ain't got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law don't change another's mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar, no
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
That's just the way it is, it is, it is, it is



you havent addressed my stats which demonstrate that free markets have produced more welqth and lifted more people out of poverty than anything else in history. what you are proposing is bad for the economy and even poor people.

do you think a guy who spends all his money on alcohol and hasnt created anything useful or employed any people or taken on any financial risk is entitled to wealth someone earned simply because they exist? thats deeply immoral.

if we all own the fruits of our own labour, production will translate into income. and if the government quits making it harder and riskier to get a business off the ground or contribute to a business then we will all have an abundance of opportunity. not that we have any shortage of opportunity now.

2% of the people who follow those THREE BARE MINIMUM laws are permijemtly poor in the united states. thats a statistical reality. from the eft winged brookings institute. not a right winged source.

you dont beleive i have a right to be left alone and a right to my property. you beleive i have a responsibility to give you things for free because you exist. thats immoral.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #25841729 - 02/27/19 06:08 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

Endless futile discussion. I do think there might be a middle ground and incorporate both ideas, but one won't accommodate the other due to each one not wanting to do what is "right" in order for them to mesh/work together. I will never "address your stats" because I don't have to,lol. I really don't give a fuck in here. I just state my opinion most of the time and really don't care too much who listens or not unless I'm giving advice on drugs or relationships, and even then it's just my opinion/statement. Fuck looking up stats and other BS that can be skewed. I didn't go to school to educate myself on politics, finance, and other things that wealthy people have the opportunity to and are really forced into to protect their family inheritance. I do think education can bring one out of poverty to a certain level, but at the same time people from certain areas of the world and from certain families get blackballed by those in control. I just move along and have a good time.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #25841759 - 02/27/19 06:19 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

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Endless futile discussion. I do think there might be a middle ground and incorporate both ideas, but one won't accommodate the other due to each one not wanting to do what is "right" in order for them to mesh/work together. I will never "address your stats" because I don't have to,lol. I really don't give a fuck in here. I just state my opinion most of the time and really don't care too much who listens or not unless I'm giving advice on drugs or relationships, and even then it's just my opinion/statement. Fuck looking up stats and other BS that can be skewed. I didn't go to school to educate myself on politics, finance, and other things that wealthy people have the opportunity to and are really forced into to protect their family inheritance. I do think education can bring one out of poverty to a certain level, but at the same time people from certain areas of the world and from certain families get blackballed by those in control. I just move along and have a good time.



thats fine..you dont have to address my facts. but then when you go and say capitalism makes people poor, that is in conflict with my stats. they show that economic freedom has lifted more people out of extreme poverty than anything in history. so your criticism is not valid. capitalism is better for poor people. and more importantly, it is moral.

i dont want a middle ground with people who want to take money at gunpoint and redistribite it.

ive seen many scewed/ inappropriately applied stats. and i just point out why they are screwed/arent applied correctly.

go ahead and discuss totally outside rhe realm of facts. but thats whats making in an "endless futile discussion" if we were talking about fact we could have a productive discussion.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25841769 - 02/27/19 06:23 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)



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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25841789 - 02/27/19 06:33 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

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That's what I'm talkin' about.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #25841800 - 02/27/19 06:38 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

"Second largest in population" Say Whaaaaaaaattttt?

They forgot
"Ignorant about the rest of the fucking planet."
"First in Health Care (costs). 38th in Health Care (results)."
"Repeat the above for education, infrastructure, voter participation, and other important things."


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: MadValley]
    #25841814 - 02/27/19 06:42 PM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

Dont forget to add Trump too that list!


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25841980 - 02/27/19 08:02 PM (25 days, 6 hours ago)

Was just listening to this patrice oneal bit about the U.S. punking out canada n making toronto the new new york

Alot funnier if you hear the whole bit it starts out with americans treating foreignors like theyre foreignors in their own countries


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: stzacrack]
    #25852415 - 03/04/19 06:00 PM (20 days, 8 hours ago)

^^^ sounds about right lol I'll have to check that one out


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25874658 - 03/14/19 10:16 PM (10 days, 5 hours ago)

Canada made porn hub. boom. mic drop. I knew there was more...


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
    #25874725 - 03/14/19 10:46 PM (10 days, 5 hours ago)

If the United states is so horrible then move! You cry about the 1% as if other countries dont have the same problem. Thank the God's this thing has a ignore list.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Shenmue] * 3
    #25874983 - 03/15/19 01:32 AM (10 days, 2 hours ago)



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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #25875332 - 03/15/19 10:07 AM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Let me tell you this.

Corporation has took control of America and Canada by the same group of people.

They don't want us to know this.

They want us to fight over stupid shit like this so we don't come together.

It's time to rise up and take the power back. It's time those fat cats had a heart attack.

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Re: Canada vs America [Re: TexXx]
    #25875587 - 03/15/19 12:48 PM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

Maple Syrup on everything
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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Ulfrick]
    #25875589 - 03/15/19 12:50 PM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

when I made that post all I could think about was maple syrup.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: TexXx]
    #25875640 - 03/15/19 01:13 PM (9 days, 14 hours ago)

anyone from canada know when the next season of letterkenny is coming out? I NEED to know :chong:


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #25876669 - 03/15/19 09:17 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

I've never even heard of letter Kenny till now... lol


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25876690 - 03/15/19 09:26 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

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I've never even heard of letter Kenny till now... lol



:notsureif: do you even canada bro ferda? :p


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #25876699 - 03/15/19 09:31 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

:youcaughtme: ...I live in a town with only like 200 people here year round.. so clearly I need to get out more.


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420]
    #25876724 - 03/15/19 09:44 PM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

I don't have a real opinion on which is better but America has some pretty legit cities and parks as does Canada but if I had to pick I would say Merica. :flexin:


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    #25876755 - 03/15/19 10:03 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

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:youcaughtme: ...I live in a town with only like 200 people here year round.. so clearly I need to get out more.



you should watch it lol its about a small town......of letterkenny lol also if you do watch it could you confirm if their slang is real?


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #25876779 - 03/15/19 10:16 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

lol ill check it out for shur. Fredaboysss!


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    #25876790 - 03/15/19 10:22 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

ok so that one is real ferda? lol


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #25876801 - 03/15/19 10:27 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

American bacon kicks ass


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25876804 - 03/15/19 10:28 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

Do y’all really eat maple syrup off the snow?


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25876825 - 03/15/19 10:49 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

Lol I'm sure some people do, but I've never seen it. It doesn't usually snow much here on the west coast. We got like a foot and a half this year but it was random af


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Re: Canada vs America [Re: staytrippy420] * 1
    #25876845 - 03/15/19 11:02 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)



kate austen; nuff said; :tongue2:

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