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Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? * 1
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It seems as if everyone is either eating them or making tea out of them.But I don't hear too many people nowadays dosing on psilocybin extracts? Or is this method proven to not be very efficient?

Damn near everyone(including me) complains about the taste of mushrooms, but when they take a high dose, they either opt to eat a whole lot of mushrooms or drink a lot of tea. Would it not theoretically be easier to taste/dose with if you would extract it? And also much easier to store mushrooms? Instead of having a few oz's laying around after harvest you could just extract the psilocybin and store it in a very small container?

Idk what am I missing? too much of an extra step? Shorter half-life? (even in fridge/freezer?)

( Just wanted some clarification on this because most of the info on this subject is pretty outdated, not much hype why?)

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Black Panther] * 1
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I think it's because alot of extracts dont work to well from what ive read, or they decompose rather quick? Im not totally sure but i think thats why


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Black Panther] * 2
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I believe the main reason is that eating raw or making teas are so effective and simple that extractions are not really needed.

A substance like morning glories has lots of benefits for extracting, because of the toxins in the seeds. But shrooms are totally fine to eat raw so therefore extractions are sort of "unnecessary" :shrug:

Also the stability thing is an issue for sure. Its most stable inside the dried mushroom.

From what Ive gathered from reading, extracting psilocybin from mushrooms is pretty complicated.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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sorry but is making tea not extracting psilocybin?


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: HerbalSteve] * 2
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Tea is the most basic extraction


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: HerbalSteve]
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yeah I guess in a way but just way more diluted. From my limited understanding is that with the pure alcohol extraction, you can get a single dose down to just a few cc's( more or less). Which you can then put that into any type of drink (without barely tasting the mushrooms?) Idk, if that is  the case, then I would rather prefer that over being limited to strong mushroomy tasting tea that I have to heavily mask the flavor with honey, sugar, etc.

And I understand the stability vs dried mushrooms, but then at the same time, i've read lots of people making tea and then storing it in the fridge/freezer? I couldn't imagine that the shelf life of an extract wouldn't be that much more different?



I do not have any experience with doing this extract but would love to hear from anyone that has ever tried it.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: HerbalSteve]
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HerbalSteve said:
sorry but is making tea not extracting psilocybin?


Technically yes, its a water solution. Extractions usually mean u end up with a dry powder at the end.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
HerbalSteve said:
sorry but is making tea not extracting psilocybin?


Technically yes, its a water solution. Extractions usually mean u end up with a dry powder at the end.


Oh yes it is, it is an water extraction,  there are many forms and it doesn't have to result in a powder or crystals to be considered an extraction.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Doc9151] * 1
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From what I know the psilocybin extraction is a bit more complicated than a dmt or mecaline extraction.
It's still a relatively simple a/b extraction but you'll need acetic acid, glacial acetic acid, ammonium hydroxide, diethyl ether, sodium sulfate, nitrogen, and chloroform or heptane.

The extract is relativly pure, but oxidizes quickly. It doesn't make sense to extract the alkaloids from ouncees of shrooms, because it will degrade within a month or two (or much quicker if not stored 100% airtight and dark).

You can make a tea and simmer it down to 10ml per dose. No problem there, and no need to drink several cups of tea per dose.
You can even evape a tea down to a tar /goo like substance. Then one trip is like one blue pellet the size of a marble, or smaller. Done this already.
Again, this doesn't keep good for too long. It should be ingested immediately.

But you can just eat the shrooms. There is no need for an extraction. I think that's the main reason why nobody does it. There is no need.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
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I used to have a contact for eth-extract. I'd put it into honey sticks at 1g (equivalent) per stick. Kept in a cool dark closet I never noticed any degradation. They came on within 15 minutes and it was such a clean come-up and ride.

Now I just blend the dried fruits into powder and do basically the same thing :shrug:. It takes longer to come on but really not much of a difference to me.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Black Panther]
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Black Panther said:
yeah I guess in a way but just way more diluted. From my limited understanding is that with the pure alcohol extraction, you can get a single dose down to just a few cc's( more or less). Which you can then put that into any type of drink (without barely tasting the mushrooms?) Idk, if that is  the case, then I would rather prefer that over being limited to strong mushroomy tasting tea that I have to heavily mask the flavor with honey, sugar, etc.

And I understand the stability vs dried mushrooms, but then at the same time, i've read lots of people making tea and then storing it in the fridge/freezer? I couldn't imagine that the shelf life of an extract wouldn't be that much more different?



I do not have any experience with doing this extract but would love to hear from anyone that has ever tried it.


Drop a lemon ginger teabag in you tea next time, with a squirt of lemon or lime juice, The shroomy flavor can be ignored pretty easily after that.

As stated by others, the work you would put into extracting to a aqueous solution with a high percentage of psilocybin is immense compared to growing shrooms in terms of lab equipment and reagents.

Also psilocybin breaks down when in contact with oxygen so you'd need to bind it to another agent to stabilize it, at which point you are (arguably) doing a different compound than mushies/psilo


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Zyiadem]
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U can just evaporate mushroom tea and scrape up the gummy residue. No need for extraction. That is an extraction, done with just water.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: nube424] * 1
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Most people want crystals and you will not get them without lab equipment. The crystals that  psilocybe fanaticus speaks of in his alcohol extraction tek is not psilocybin or psilocin they are sugar crystals. When he speaks of the feds dumping out his extract and he saw crystals, it was sugar. I have performed alcohol extractions using 200 proof lab grade ETOH. It does seperate out a lot of the nasty stuff but it's a waste of good alcohol and mushrooms.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Doc9151]
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Alright thank you to everyone for explaining the reasons behind all why this method isn't ideal or efficient at all.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Black Panther] * 1
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Tea is the most efficient extraction for mushrooms. It can be concentrated as much as u want.

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: nube424]
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It'd be awesome if it were relatively easy to convert Psilocybin (or Psilocin, rather) into 4-ACO-DMT and then salt it out with fumaric acid for a stable salt. I'd have no problem with that lol.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: DnDRnD]
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i dont like the taste and i have tried extracting psilocybin so many times and lost a lot of shroom. If you have extracted it with alcohol you need to drink it asap. Or it will degrade very fast and turns to a shit potency. Any alcohol extraction cause you to loose potency for sure but if you will wait than say bye bye to psilocybin. This is also same with making a shroom tea.

But you can boil water down to very concentrated form like 100ml liquid from 20grams of shroom.You can drink 20ml of it which will give you 3-4 hours of space travel.With this method You will also loose potency for sure but this method is better than alcohol. For example if you are gonna eat 5grams of dried shrooms space travel will be minimum 6-7 hours without after effects.

In science i have found out that albert hoffman was the first person that achived to isolate psilocybin. He wrote an article about it. I found that article and tried to isolate psilocybin but due to equipment its impossible to do it at home conditions.


Edited by machinehead3434 (03/19/23 09:14 PM)

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Black Panther]
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Yup, its really the inconvenience and costs of doing a chemical extraction that makes it not as popular. Its one of the reason why Morning Glory seeds are not extracted very often.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
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I'd rather put my efforts into growing stronger material, takes up less space and there's less of it to consume.

Powder in chocolates doesn't take up a lot of space, and tastes pretty good when done right. Also lasts indefinitely in the freezer.

Extraction always entails some loss. Even when I make weed edibles, I just leave the powdered plant material in the mix.

I also don't follow the practice of using waste material for chocolates or edibles. I might use older bud for edibles, but it's still bud. All the mushrooms I grow are destined for powder, and my objective is to make the best possible powder I can. It seems to me that extraction is most useful when trying to reduce down a large volume of weaker material.

Part of the appeal of frozen tea is that you can make tea with fresh mushrooms. And you're talking about like 3 simple steps and a few hours of waiting to be done with the entire process.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Pandemoon]
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Pandemoon said:
The extract is relativly pure, but oxidizes quickly. It doesn't make sense to extract the alkaloids from ouncees of shrooms, because it will degrade within a month or two (or much quicker if not stored 100% airtight and dark).



Redisolve your extract then add tartaric acid. This will convert the freebase into the tartrate salt. Citric acid works too. The only inelegance is that you will have to overshoot the amount of acid unless you know exactly how much psilocin is in your crude extract (possible through either chromatography or by defatting the crude extract then converting everything to psilocin freebase= but that is simply a culinary (tastes more sour than it needs to) and possibly logistic (unreacted citric acid is very hydroscopic) problem than a dealbreaker.

I think I should have a fully home-friendly tek fully hashed out April 2027 or so. Initial foreys under the aegis of more experienced people as well as delves into current literature suggest it is very easily simplified using the right steps. Though without rotovap it's much less fun.


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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: towndaze]
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Cool to hear Im interested in knowing the process

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Re: Why isn't psilocybin extraction methods more popular? [Re: Pickyourpoison33]
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Pickyourpoison33 said:
Cool to hear Im interested in knowing the process


Psilocybin extraction methods
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Optimized Extraction Methods for Psilocybin and Psilocin. Antonio Derose. Aug 15, 2022. Extraction Magazine

A Cubensis Extraction Protocol and Methods Review. freecatalyst. hive.blog. Circa 2021.

Extraction of psychoactive compounds from psilocybin fungus. Lightburn B, Moss R, Ranken L. 2021-08-03. Psilo Scientific Ltd. CA3088384C [Patent]

Achuma's Psilocybe Extraction Pictorial

Willsolvem's Candy of The God's Tek 

Dear Dr. Shulgin (question about psilocybin extraction)

Extraction of psychoactive compounds from psilocybin fungus. Lightburn B, Moss R, Ranken L. 2021-08-03. Psilo Scientific Ltd. CA3088384C [Patent]

Kysilka R, Wurst M. A novel extraction procedure for psilocybin and psilocin determination in mushroom samples. Planta Medica. 1990 Jun. 56(3):327-8.

Casale JF. 1985. An aqueous-organic extraction method for the isolation and identification of psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms. Journal of Forensic Science, 30, 247-250.*

One of the people quoted in this thread** mentioned an acetone/isopropyl alcohol method.

History of The Basic Chemical Investigations on the Sacred Mushrooms of Mexico


*A key step in the analytical procedure is the extraction of the compounds from the biological material. However, meagre attention has been paid to the extraction procedure. Hofmann et al. (2) found that psilocybin and psilocin are well soluble in methanol, and have subsequently used solely methanol for extraction. Other authors then used this solvent with or without modifications (4,6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13).

I recently performed an extraction following a 1970 Albert Hofmann procedure. The results were amazing.



**Reports of people vaping and smoking psilocybin and psilocin



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