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The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day * 2
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I was discussing Mescaline with a friend of mine and resumed an interesting line of thought that I had a long time ago and I wanted to get the communities opinion as well

I will answer this question, “ Why isn’t Mescaline searched for very much at all today, why is it’s popularity so low ?”

Now the simple and shallow answer to this is money, “oh it costs to much to make,”
But then you get th REAL answer after discussing that at length , “well what if I spend the tine and money and it isn’t straight CRAZY like LSD (or any other preferred psych)

What can you pull from a line like that ?
Terrence McKenna one states that Mescaline “didn’t fit the bill” as a teacher compared to things like LSD , DMT, Ect.
This is fully laughable as I, and many civilizations for thousands of years have learned the true psychedellic truth from it
But do you know what a line like that confirms ? And the line I stayed before about the cost ?

There’s an entire culture of people out there PRETENDING to look for truth and happiness when in reality, they are looking for an insane high to make them go “woah damn that’s crazy loo at that wow”
They confuse truth with insane cheesy trips forgetting that the point of life is as SIMPLE as what’s right in front of you all the time
They don’t want happiness and inner love
They want “robot gnomes” or “jesters” or whatever garbage the mainstream psychedellic media is bombarding you with
In this , what I refer to as , “the age of entertainment”
That is why mescaline isn’t searched out
It CAN show you insane things believe me
But it isn’t always that way
And so people don’t see a value in it anymore

And this itself signifies a huge issue
The plants are all that will save the world
And we are even mixing our ego in with those

Shameful
Just purely shameful

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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Yeah, mescaline is wild. I doubt most people could tell mescaline from LSD in a blind test.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: breeg89] * 1
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I personally see an ENORMOUS difference between the two

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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I would genuinely go as far as to say they are completely different

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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You do realize that all the things you listed including mescaline are synthesized from plants or fungus right? I think you meant to say peyote. And peyote doesn't cost a lot to produce, you just have to have patience and knowledge to grow it... Then again adding to what you said, most people don't have that and want instant gratification. All they want is the instant wow factor and not fully immerse themselves in it. I believe all psychedelics are plant medicine (The ones derived from plants anyway not synthetic analogue crap), but a lot of people just use them as party drugs or to escape reality... Never taking any meaning out of the experience and bringing it back to everyday life. Continually doing the drugs isn't going to fix anything, you have to apply the message to your life and not expect it to fix everything for you.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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That is incorrect
Mescaline is the active compound found in peyote and many other cactus
Many of which are also potent
I don’t do anything synthetic
There IS synthetic Mescaline but I’m no5 talking about that at all
Mescaline being synthetic and peyote somehow being its only real form is a common misconception for those new to it
Thank you tho

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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And I agree! They are all very different but super similar in many ways. Mescaline is more closely related to MDMA, but I've got more intense visuals off of clean pure MDMA than DMT/LSD/Mushrooms even. You just have to eat good shit...


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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You can extract mescaline from peyote dude lol... I know a molecular biologist... I'm not talking about synthetic mescaline either. DMT is not an analogue. LSD is not an analogue... They're all extracted from plants or fungus lol. Thanks though.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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Then your post has no meaning lol
It’s not synthetic at that point if it comes directly from a plant lol
2-CB is synthetic
Thank you tho

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Extraction doesn’t equate synthetic friend

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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Mescaline is easy to extract. Same process as dmt like jooce said. There's also a few LEGAL cacti u can extract mescaline from. All the "torch" cacti.

Lsd isn't extracted. Lsa is extracted from ergot and turned into Lsd.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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To get pure mescaline without the cactus you have to extract it... that is basic knowledge... That doesn't make it not natural. I actually know quite a bit about this exact topic and its a pretty frequent topic among my friend group. And extraction doesn't change the molecular structure of the chemical that gets you high... Its still mescaline. And there is both natural extract mescaline and synthetic mescaline. Think before you assume everyone is not as intellectual as you. I never said it was synthetic. I said it was extracted from a plant lmao.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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And if it does
If synthetic does mean a chemical extracted from plants
Then what’s even your point ? Surely it doesn’t relate to the post lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
Extraction doesn’t equate synthetic friend


I think he's just confused on what the word synthesize means. Anything that's "synthesized" is synthetic. Real mescaline is not "synthesized", it's extracted and refined.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Because you're degrading the other substances... its not the molecules that are the problem it's the people consuming them. That's the more accurate correlation with why its not as popular. I actually live near a place where the native americans have ceremony monthly and they do it entirely natural. Peyote button banquets. Outsiders are invited in and many of my friends have participated or been invited... And they are thoroughly appreciating the medicine. As with anything else they do. No matter the molecule.


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Edited by Jooceman (02/17/19 01:03 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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Yeah I accidently put synthesized lol. I meant extracted lmao! whoops, my bad.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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It's not popular cuz it's too expensive to produce. And takes too much time to grow cacti.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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It's not really something that's meant to be sold...


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424] * 3
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U guys are confusing :lol:

Mescaline isn't popular because of supply and demand. Not enough supply in the world to feed demand, which makes it incredibly expensive. And time consuming.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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Just find a native American church? They seem to have plenty to go around! :shrug:


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
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Not for the masses tho.. it'll never be popular like lsd.

I'm planning on doing mescaline. I have tons of bridgesii and peyote growing. Thinking about ordering some cacti to attempt an extraction too.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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I already discussed the cost situation in my post ...
did you guys read the whole post ..?

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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I know it won’t be popular to the masses
And I explained why


Guys ... please

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Guys the post isn’t me asking why isn’t Mesc popular
It honestly isn’t really about mescaline either .. I just used that as an example to explain the point in trying to get across
I’d more like opinions on the point I’m making
I don’t mean to come off rude it’s just Page 2 now and no ones posted once about really anything regarding my post .. it’s mostly been inaccurate information or things I’ve learned years ago
I know TONS about mescaline and am not asking any questions about it
It’s the only psych I’ll ever do period now

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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There's no question in ur post. It's just u rambling. Is it about people not seeing mescaline as useful? I don't know where u got that notion. Terrance mekkenna is just 1 person. Fuck what he said however long ago.

Natives find it very useful. TK was obviously an extremist of psyches. Just cuz it didn't get him off, doesn't mean it's not useful..

But can u clarify what u meant in ur OP? I think we were just confused on ur question and started going back and forth.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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there is no heirarchy

lots of people want to and do use cactus

mushrooms grow everywhere, lsd can be made 100k+ doses at a time and distributed as paper... and both come ready for consumption. thats why theyre more widely used

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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In low to medium doses mescaline is not as mind blowing as other psychedelics. The mind keeps pretty clear and it's less visual compared to others.

High doses are different, though. It's a unique, deep & powerfull experience, just as powerfull as lsd or shrooms can be.

But high doses are very expensive (a dose of pure mescaline costs as much as 20 hits of acid), or found in a lot of plantmaterial that has to be ingested or brewed.
Only very few western people grow and ingest cacti.

It's either too expensive, or too time consuming to get more popular I guess.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Pandemoon]
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Cactus is a great teacher medicine.  It shows you things about yourself, like all the plant medicines do.  But it also seems to stay with you for a long time after the trip and keep guiding you in a way that is unique.  It lacks the interdimensional fireworks of the DMT medicines that are taking off in popularity.  Its just its own thing, very deep and healing.  But it takes time and commitment to explore.  It takes years to build up a collection.  No one likes to chop up their plants.  Its for those who are in it for long game, with patience and commitment, who dont need the aliens and hyperspace.  Cactus is gaining in popularity.  But these plants grow slowly.  The impatient ones will move on to something else.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Grey Fox]
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I have some peyote seeds!

I’ve never tried mescaline because of its obscurity but I’ve always wanted to.
I’m planning on planting them this Spring. 100+ seeds.

IMO, mescaline and DMT are the two main things missing in my must try before I die list.
I’ve always looked for mescaline, it’s just never been around.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Grey Fox]
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I never stated I had a question...?
This is becoming sad
Nvm guys
Just ramble on about mescaline and LSD and mushrooms lol and try to poke senseless holes in what I’m saying for no reason
I don’t mean senseless as much as nonexistent lol

Edited by Tripsten (02/17/19 02:06 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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I don’t personally like DMT but it’s great for many I would caution with it tho
But yes I’d say imo Mesc is a must try on your list friend

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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But I suppose 97% of these reply just prove my point in the post... soo it wasn’t a complete failure kind of

Edited by Tripsten (02/17/19 02:07 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
I never stated I had a question...?
This is becoming sad
Nvm guys
Just ramble on about mescaline and LSD and mushrooms lol and try to poke senseless holes in what I’m saying for no reason
I don’t mean senseless as much as nonexistent lol


seems like your whole point was that people want to get CRAZY high.

mescaline can do that, in large doses, just like other psychedelics

so what are you saying? the drug you prefer just happens to have some sort of superiority?

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: feevers]
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Are you guys ok ..?
That’s not what I’m stating at all
I attempted to start a discussion about what I feel the problem is with the psychedellic message reaching people today and how the community has created an ego based culture
But I overestimated the members here lol
I’ll just stick to things like
“How high do you get off thissss?” Whenever I come here from now on lol this is ridiculous
All of you just spouting nonsense or trying to throw negativity at me from nonexistent things in your head

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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I never even said other psychs were bad lol you people are ridiculous

You can smell the insecurity in a place where philisophical discussion makes people think your trying to be superior
I’ve seen it happen to other posters here too lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Sounds like maybe you should take a break for awhile.  Peace and good luck.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Grey Fox]
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From what exactly ?
I haven’t tripped in a long time
It’s not something I do frequently
But ok ... Jesus

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Sounds more like a weak cop out answer to avoid what im ctually saying

Edited by Tripsten (02/17/19 02:28 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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I tried to say that "the age of entertainment" might miss mescaline because they either tried only low doses and were bored, or don't want to spend the time messing with growing or preparing cacti.

I love mescaline btw. It's my favourite way to fly. Hence my avatar.
I have dozens of cacti growing and dozens of doses prepared, ready to consume.

Don't know what kind of answers you are after.

:shrug:

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Pandemoon]
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I’m not after answers
I was after everyone else’s take on the state of the psychedellic community today and the distortion of the plant message

My last few posts weren’t really at you tho
You always post good things and didn’t really post anything that made me face palm in here

But yo
Do you sell cuttings my man ? I’d frequent buy

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Srry man, I live in a climate where it's hard to grow cacti. They only grow like half a foot per year, and are skinnier than in other parts of the world. I keep them for myself. :sun:

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.. long distance trip / are you shpongled? / ELDER / TUBER / Jordso / IAH / Sleeping Pandora ... / Thurnin / OPETH ...
.. essential psychedelic guide, by D.M.Turner
.. Tihkal .. / .. Pihkal .. / .. Psilohuasca ..

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Pandemoon]
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Hey it’s all good
Always gotta ask tho
Good cactus vendor is rare these days and your not allowed to ask where they are here lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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Mescaline HCL whether it is extracted from a plant or made in the lab is the EXACT SAME chemical structure.


I read like 10 posts arguing this.

:facepalm:


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Quote:
They don’t want happiness and inner love 


One dose of happiness and inner love every day please.


Although fireworks are good when it is so powerful as to be humbling enough that the love outside, becomes recognized as the same love that is within.

Quite hit & miss such an experience. Narrowly missing a neurotic episode, or "bad trip"

I recall the aproximate words Don Juan of Carlos Casteneda.

Quote:
At a certain point one must expand or die - or mentally break in my opinion- the tonal must be coaxed into wanting to relinqish control, willingly


Much respect to the ones who get higher slowly and steadily.

A practice makes the special moments easier to understand and integrate.

Instead of becoming humpty dumpty for a few hours unexpectedly and swearing off phyches.

^  The 'miss'

On the flipside the 'hit' is great :cookiemonster:

Lack of interest in mescaline could also be due to the destruction of native american customs, in addition to the consumerist lifestyle.

When i searched for plants i found many but admittingly I couldnt tell one cactus from another and have never tried mescaline.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13]
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I think nobody understands what conversation u were trying to start dude.. like, was it that people seem to prefer mushrooms to mescaline? We just don't get it. U tried to clarify but still didn't clarify.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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nube424 said:
I think nobody understands what conversation u were trying to start dude.. like, was it that people seem to prefer mushrooms to mescaline? We just don't get it. U tried to clarify but still didn't clarify.


I think he made it pretty clear.

people just want to get hung up about chemical structures ect ect.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: High Night Expanse]
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karode13 said:
Mescaline HCL whether it is extracted from a plant or made in the lab is the EXACT SAME chemical structure.


I read like 10 posts arguing this.

:facepalm:



High Night Expanse said:
nube424 said:
I think nobody understands what conversation u were trying to start dude.. like, was it that people seem to prefer mushrooms to mescaline? We just don't get it. U tried to clarify but still didn't clarify.


I think he made it pretty clear.

people just want to get hung up about chemical structures ect ect.



I could cry thank you guys , I’ve even asked other members over PM’s if I said anything wrong all of them have know idea how half of these replies ever got posted

My theory , it was many words and no one cared to read them all
Get hung up on chemical structures when the chemicals barely had anything to do with the point of the post
I’m using Mesc’s shrinking popularity to illustrate my point which I believe to be in direct correlation


High Night Expanse said:
Quote:
They don’t want happiness and inner love 


One dose of happiness and inner love every day please.


Although fireworks are good when it is so powerful as to be humbling enough that the love outside, becomes recognized as the same love that is within.

Quite hit & miss such an experience. Narrowly missing a neurotic episode, or "bad trip"

I recall the aproximate words Don Juan of Carlos Casteneda.

Quote:
At a certain point one must expand or die - or mentally break in my opinion- the tonal must be coaxed into wanting to relinqish control, willingly


Much respect to the ones who get higher slowly and steadily.

A practice makes the special moments easier to understand and integrate.

Instead of becoming humpty dumpty for a few hours unexpectedly and swearing off phyches.

^  The 'miss'

On the flipside the 'hit' is great :cookiemonster:

Lack of interest in mescaline could also be due to the destruction of native american customs, in addition to the consumerist lifestyle.

When i searched for plants i found many but admittingly I couldnt tell one cactus from another and have never tried mescaline.


I like that post , so are you stating some people NEED that insane intense high in order to learn it or that a balance of both ?
And the Native American culture point is great I haven’t considered that
South American culture as well

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Sorry I couldn’t shorten the quotes my phone is being weird I may do it later on a computer

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Mescaline has never been so popular. Just read through this forum and others.

It's the reason all the Trichocereus have inflated in prices over the last 5 years.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13]
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Right
But it has been
In many civilizations
And America at one point in time because of that
I’m using it’s decreased popularity as evidence of the point I’m making

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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That post didn't make sense.

Cactus use spread to the USA natives from Mexico.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13]
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What are you talking about lol ?
I literally just said it has been popular in many civilizations
I would consider Mexico to be one of those ...

I then stated it was popular in America because it was popular in many civilizations

Which would be it coming from Mexico ..

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Please guys
Not again

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Now you're typing English and your new post, explaining the last one, makes sense.

Using structured sentences instead of riddles will reap better results.

:sun:


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Unless I misread your post
By its never been so popular
I thought you were stating was never popular
If not
My bad

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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:wtfsonic:


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Ya.... lots of people know what I’m saying
I don’t have to over simplify for everyone lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13]
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karode13 said:
Mescaline HCL whether it is extracted from a plant or made in the lab is the EXACT SAME chemical structure.


I read like 10 posts arguing this.

:facepalm:


THANK YOU.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13]
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karode13 said:
:wtfsonic:


:lol: I'm with u man. The way he talks is like a riddle. That's what was throwing me off. If he spoke in normal English and sentences it would have been more understandable.

If the whole point was the chemical structure of mescaline, why ramble about all the other shit? That's how stuff gets lost in translation... I vow to never check a new thread on here again.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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karode13 said:
Now you're typing English and your new post, explaining the last one, makes sense.

Using structured sentences instead of riddles



Lol cmon its the shroomery, were the channelers, self proclaimed wizards and "special" people reside. He could be gracing us with poetic renditions of high thoughts from altered states for all we know

nube424 said:
karode13 said:
:wtfsonic:


:lol: I'm with u man. The way he talks is like a riddle. That's what was throwing me off. If he spoke in normal English and sentences it would have been more understandable.

If the whole point was the chemical structure of mescaline, why ramble about all the other shit? That's how stuff gets lost in translation... I vow to never check a new thread on here again.


The whole point was and is distant from the chemical structure of mescaline unless a person thinks this is why it is not as popular as other visionary plants/fungi

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Quote:
I like that post , so are you stating some people NEED that insane intense high in order to learn it or that a balance of both ?
And the Native American culture point is great I haven’t considered that
South American culture as well


No way. I am stating that an intense high is similar to walking a narrow path between two cliffs.

One cliff is called 'a neurotic episode', and the other cliff is called 'satisfaction in the face of playful occupation'.

The narrow path in the middle leads to all-encompassing love.


And that is why fire works are best handled with care haha.

So it was alluded to that mescaline is not fireworks, i wish i could speak more on that from experience. Either way i believe 'a practise' and preparation over time help lead to a peaceful expansion.

Where the ego lets itself expand and 'change' in the face of dissolution that it can not win against.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: High Night Expanse]
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how can anyone read the original post and deduce this thread is about molecular structure

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: feevers]
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my last post was about poptarts

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
how can anyone read the original post and deduce this thread is about molecular structure


No idea man. I reread it like 5 times and didn't make that connection.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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If this is about molecular structure, then possibly part of what separates mescaline from tryptamines is that mescaline shows greater activity as a dopamine receptor agonist, compared to tryptamines. Still, I don't think I could distinguish cactus tea from LSD, but I don't have much experience with either one.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: breeg89]
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Well, I've never done mescaline but it seems like the total opposite of lsd. Lsd visuals are completely unique. And the body high feels like electricity. Well atleast with the doses I get. They're mic'd pretty high.. 1 tab is almost too much if it's been awhile. Mescaline sounds smooth and gentle. Lsd is not smooth and gentle unless it's weak.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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Plenty of people in this thread and my life know what I’m saying with ease
You could just say in a normal way that you don’t understand the way I’m structuring my speech you know ?
Pride is good , too much is bad
“Oh now your speaking English”
I’m sorry lol
Most people I meet and talk to like the large majority never have a problem with what I say

@High Night
Yes exactly

I honestly have no faith that any real discussion is going to come out of this though
Maybe a few more people will come in with good relevant points hopefully ( relevant meaning pertaining to what I’d like to discuss here I feel like I have to walk on egg shells with this insecurity trip going on here “

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Mescaline can be just as intense as LSD or mushrooms, at least for me. I don't know why so many describe it as "gentle".

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: breeg89]
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Maybe it just seems more gentle cuz it comes on alot slower? Idk, like I said I havnt done mescaline yet. But with L, I'm full blown tripping in 30 minutes and spun the fuck out for the next 4 hours. People don't describe mescaline like that at all... I'll have to try it for myself and see I guess. I'm sure it depends alot on the dose too. How much mescaline do u dose breeg?

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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I have a very fast metabolism, but cactus tea hits me within a half hour, just like mushrooms or LSD. You definitely need to try it for yourself nube. I'd recommend tea from 1 foot of bridgesii. Tea from 1-1.5 ft always did me in. Damn, this really makes me want to do it again - been way too long.

I've never done refined mescaline (extracted or otherwise), so all my comments are based on tea.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: breeg89]
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Oh wow. I really had no idea. Yea I was thinking of ordering cuttings. I have a bunch of bridgesii and peyote growing, but don't feel like waiting another 2 years lol.

And Idk if I could stomach tea. I can't even stomach shrooms. Idk why, just really ducks my stomach up. I may try tea, but was planning on a little a/b extraction.. Just 1 dose worth to try to avoid stomach issues. All the chems i need i can get at work for free :shrug:

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
how can anyone read the original post and deduce this thread is about molecular structure



Was this directed at me?

I'm kind of lost here. Thread is a mess of riddles and reply to failures. A fine example of how a thread should not be.(I'm using humour so don't freak out too much psychonauts)

I said what I said because of this below and the resulting replies.

Tripsten said:
That is incorrect
Mescaline is the active compound found in peyote and many other cactus
Many of which are also potent
I don’t do anything synthetic
There IS synthetic Mescaline but I’m no5 talking about that at all
Mescaline being synthetic and peyote somehow being its only real form is a common misconception for those new to it
Thank you tho



Mescaline HCl is Mescaline HCL. Whether it's made in a lab or extracted from a plant source.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13] * 2
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I was confused too. I think everyone was. Dead thread. And I don't think that first comment was aimed at u but I could be wrong. Who knows. Lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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Jesus dude why can’t you just accept you had a misunderstanding plenty of people can tell this was clearly not about the structure of anything and for the love of god I know it’s the same chemical that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time
Just go if you don’t get it dude the rest of us keep replying to the topic and then people like you come in like
“Hah ya molecular structure , this threads a failure because I don’t understand it so I’m going to keep sidetracking the convo to let everyone know because I’m intellectually insecure “

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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U talking to me or karode?

I'm not intellectually insecure lol. At all. If I was, I would try to pretend like I knew what ur point was. I still don't get it and not afraid to admit it at all. I asked u to clarify because I didn't understand, but ur panties are in a bunch and u just keep putting people down and name calling instead of just explaining what ur talking about.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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I’m not afraid to admit it
Your pantries are in a bunch
You talken to me ?

Ya your not insecure at all lol
I was talking to the other guy

That’s why i. Put many word for word references of his post as I’m on a phone and moving and couldn’t quote
But ok lol
Good job..? I’m glad your not afraid to admit it ...?

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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It’s only a “dead thread” because of shit like this lol, this is the most frustrating and ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen on this forum

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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And dude. Ur other posts make it seem like u have not much experience at all.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25801853

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24976732

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Is there any way I can block certain users from posting in this thread ? I’m getting tired of some one coming in trying to make a relevant point then out of no where we are spammed with

“I don’t get it and that make sure it wrong ! Your wrong you talk funny ! Are you talking to me ??! I’m NOT insecure I’m not afraid ! “

Like god damn gtfo lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
It’s only a “dead thread” because of shit like this lol, this is the most frustrating and ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen on this forum


:rofl: dude ur brand fucking new to this forum. Ur the most ridiculous thing I've seen in this forum.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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A post about Changa and a post from a year ago ... your reaching

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
Is there any way I can block certain users from posting in this thread ? I’m getting tired of some one coming in trying to make a relevant point then out of no where we are spammed with

“I don’t get it and that make sure it wrong ! Your wrong you talk funny ! Are you talking to me ??! I’m NOT insecure I’m not afraid ! “

Like god damn gtfo lol


Dude those are all responses to the shit ur saying. U could have just explained ur point 3 pages ago. U don't gotta block me. I'm out! Fucking noob

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
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Again I did
YOU personally just didn’t understand
But ok dude your right lol you completely right, will you go now ?

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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I hope this is the last post of the thread cause getting anything sensical out of a good portion of this community is ridiculous

I started a thread with a point to make
That I personally felt the psychedellic message from plants and fungi, the same message talked about for centuries is complicated by a culture of entertainment and as some one else who understood put it , instant gratification ,
To back this up I used the declining popularity of mescaline and a singular quote from a popular psychedellic figure which illustrated this and wanted other people in their own psychedellic journeys to explain their true feeling and opinions about this but clearly my point is correct, and for some the psychedellic journey seems to have only boosted their ego

The first many replies where about not knowing what synthesis is, and arguing about WHAT mescaline itself is
The next reply were people attempting to reply to my point and I’m grateful
Then
Came the few who weren’t able to understand and instead  of just accepting that and asking me what I meant wanted to be a dick in nature out of insecurity and argue like we are all back in school
As if them personally not being able to understand me means something wrong with what I’ve written
Even though many other users have stated that it was pretty clear and obvious what I’m stating
And I’m sorry
But it is,
Thank you for allowing your insecurities to annoy me to the point where I’m completely abondonign thread
Truly the near definition of trolling
However it is neat and a little laughable that the answer to the mere title of the thread can be easily seen in the replies to it lol
That’s alll

Edited by Tripsten (02/18/19 07:51 AM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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i dont know man. maybe you expect too much from "psychedelic community"?

its just people.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Green_Hands]
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What does instant gratification have to do with psychedelics though? They can take an hour or more to kick in and for most offer no guarantee of pleasure or euphoria. They're too unpredictable and long lasting with the chance of a terrible experience to really call them instant gratification or easy entertainment.

Some people definitely use them for entertainment, but from what I've seen the strongest voices in the community are promoting them as tools of self-growth, healing and discovery, that should be taken with caution and respect. Lots of people take them at festivals and concerts, but I actually think that may be the closest thing we have right now to how our ancestors used them. Achieving ecstatic states around the community and with lots of music, there's a lot to learn there that words don't justify.

Not sure where mescaline fits in, availability has always been low so it's always been way less popular. There's still thousands every year going to cactus retreats in central/south america and/or growing their own.

I just don't see the connection I think you're talking about. The people I know who use psychedelics seem to be the ones who are least into society's instant gratification and constant entertainment trend.

I'm probably still not on topic though.

Edited by feevers (02/18/19 11:12 AM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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I will help you.
Tripsten said:
Unless I misread your post
By its never been so popular
I thought you were stating was never popular
If not
My bad


Your above post would be more easily understood if you wrote it like this:
I misread your post when you stated, "It's never been so popular". I interpreted that as, "It has never been popular". If that is the case, my bad.

Your writing is hard to understand because you use your own grammar that is formatted like a poem. Sometimes it has to be read several times to know what you are talking about. Most people probably don't bother.

As for your argument, I agree that most people use psychedelics as entertainment. It can be fun to throw yourself down the rabbit hole and see where you end up.

Using mescaline's unpopularity relative to other psychs is where you went wrong. As has been stated, its unpopularity is due to the fact that it requires a lot of raw material to make a dose and the raw material is harder to come by. 250g of MHRB is enough for 100+ breakthroughs if your yield is good, 1 spore syringe can net you a lifetime supply of shrooms. Cactus is simply a bigger pain in the ass. If it was more readily available, it would be abused for entertainment in the same fashion as DMT, LSD, shrooms, etc. It's unpopularity is not because it delivers a guaranteed meaningful trip and is somehow immune to being abused for entertainment.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
....Lots of people take them at festivals and concerts, but I actually think that may be the closest thing we have right now to how our ancestors used them. Achieving ecstatic states around the community and with lots of music....




:werd:

I totally agree.


I know there are some folks who would consider taking psychedelics in such a setting as a festival/gathering to be purely "recreational" , purely hedonistic, and even "disrespectful" to the cactus or mushroom etc etc etc....

....but I actually view these sorts of settings as being analogous to what "we" humans have always done...Like you said, achieving ecstatic/trance states via music/dance and surrounded by community.

The festivals/gatherings I attend (mostly relatively small/intimate sized) every spring and fall, and the way I go about my use of things like mushrooms, and how I dance myself into different states, have become very much a "ritual" for me over the past 10+ years and a way of me recognizing/celebrating the cycles around our sun....It's a way to "dance" off & shed a bunch of shit (stress, built up negative emotions, etc), it's very refreshing and usually an ultimate "re-charge" for my soul.

The lines between "recreational" or "spiritual" or "medicinal" are all very blurry to me...it's all the same to me :shrug: ....Some of my most "spiritual" exepriences have been while dancing at festivals all night under the stars & moon and into the sunrise. Things that would not occur if I was sitting alone in my room in absolute silence & darkness (but I do also enjoy tripping in silence/darkess when at home lol)





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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
Jesus dude why can’t you just accept you had a misunderstanding plenty of people can tell this was clearly not about the structure of anything and for the love of god I know it’s the same chemical that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time
Just go if you don’t get it dude the rest of us keep replying to the topic and then people like you come in like
“Hah ya molecular structure , this threads a failure because I don’t understand it so I’m going to keep sidetracking the convo to let everyone know because I’m intellectually insecure “



You sound really mad. It wasn't my intention and you're really taking what I've typed to heart. You've also misinterpreted it. I came into the thread to correct something that was being discussed as fact. Sorry to give you accurate information, which this website aims to do.

I'm not the only one that doesn't understand you. If you don't like how people respond to you, maybe you should work on your posting style a bit.

Learn what the 'reply to' feature is too. I wasn't talking to you half the time.

Just some tips to help you. I'm not here to bust your balls.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Green_Hands] * 2
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Green_Hands said:
i dont know man. maybe you expect too much from "psychedelic community"?

its just people.


Funny and probably why "the message" is being diluted.

I do not think everyone is ment to get it yet...  some of it is refined characters exploring what is.. which can be fun and beneficial.. and some of it is 'substance abuse', for now.

With out a cultural history/relationship with entheogens.. use can be very confuzing.

Tripping at a concert can be a great, authentical socially merging experience. Some people are toally against this as someone else wrote. And some times its a real idiot move.

With physcs the saying "its not what you do, but how you do it" specially applies.

Western culture will adjust and the shared mental understanding of "how" will be more understood by the masses over time i believe.

Everything will be OK no need to stress or expect too much from people. Once we take responsibility and do our personal part, that is litterally all we can do.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
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Tripsten said:
Is there any way I can block certain users from posting in this thread ?


Hey that's the ticket. :laugh2:

I think maybe your mistake was mentioning mescaline in the OP of a general post.  I've never done it but what I've heard corroborates what some people have said here about the effects. But yeah I get this isn't about some particular psychedelic.

Maybe it's the internet and the shortening of attention spans.  When I started with mushroom cult back in the 80's I had to teach myself mostly through trial and error how to grow them.  But I wanted to do it because I wanted to explore the effects of these manifestly sacred substances.  And I run into people (synchronicity) who share that kind of respect pretty often.  So I can't buy that the "culture" is all fucked up.  :shrug:

Ok, so what you meant:

Quote:
I started a thread with a point to make
That I personally felt the psychedellic message from plants and fungi, the same message talked about for centuries is complicated by a culture of entertainment and as some one else who understood put it , instant gratification ,
To back this up I used the declining popularity of mescaline and a singular quote from a popular psychedellic figure which illustrated this and wanted other people in their own psychedellic journeys to explain their true feeling and opinions about this but clearly my point is correct, and for some the psychedellic journey seems to have only boosted their ego


OK that's your opinion.  In some respects it's true, but you know, it's probably always been true.  So somebody (whoever they were) didn't like mescaline?  Hell, Jim Morrison didn't like datura, out of the full spectrum of drugs.  But there's good reason for that, having tried it once.  :lol:

I get what you're saying, but IME there are no inherently superior psychedelics.  All the plant teachers have something to offer the curious.  But historically, of course, you can only have access to the ones that grow wild where you live.  For me that was mushrooms - yeah liberty caps!  Any of them, if you explore properly, will take you to the spirit realms.  Which is pretty much the ultimate destination, for shamans at least.

If people have access to more easily used substances, human nature sort of dictates that that's what they'll use.  And yeah, the easier the access, the less the respect, generally.



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Edited by PrimalSoup (02/18/19 11:54 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: High Night Expanse]
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High Night Expanse said:
Quote:
I like that post , so are you stating some people NEED that insane intense high in order to learn it or that a balance of both ?
And the Native American culture point is great I haven’t considered that
South American culture as well


No way. I am stating that an intense high is similar to walking a narrow path between two cliffs.

One cliff is called 'a neurotic episode', and the other cliff is called 'satisfaction in the face of playful occupation'.

The narrow path in the middle leads to all-encompassing love.


And that is why fire works are best handled with care haha.

So it was alluded to that mescaline is not fireworks, i wish i could speak more on that from experience. Either way i believe 'a practise' and preparation over time help lead to a peaceful expansion.

Where the ego lets itself expand and 'change' in the face of dissolution that it can not win against.


:whathesaid:  Worth repeating.

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Tripsten said:
I never even said other psychs were bad lol you people are ridiculous

You can smell the insecurity in a place where philisophical discussion makes people think your trying to be superior
I’ve seen it happen to other posters here too lol


You can smell the insecurity from the amounts of "lol"s you write.

I live far up north, no type of cacti grow naturally on my entire continent. I haven't even been able to find LSD and I have searched, I can however find plenty of potent mushrooms every fall. I have read about the effects of Mescaline and it sounds amazing, and I actually like your theory. The issue I have is with how you present it, you're presenting this like you've found the answer and what you're saying is true.

Quote:
There’s an entire culture of people out there PRETENDING to look for truth and happiness when in reality, they are looking for an insane high to make them go “woah damn that’s crazy loo at that wow”



You're also making a huge generalization here where I think people could take offense. This isn't the experience that, dare I say most, people have had with psychedelics. Have you made any kind of study showing this? How have you come to this conclution? I think that no one is pretendning, they might fool themselves though, thinking that going deeper will solve all of their problems, but as you said. The answer is more than often right there infront of you.

This thread has been an entertaining trainwreck to be sure


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: hejAdig999] * 1
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I don't have any idea what Tripsten has said at any point. I commend those who tried.

Thoughts about Mescaline in Peyote: Fuck people who go looking for this stuff. There is a serious lack of knowledge of people who harvest these, and as a result the plant is becoming more and more endangered. No, captive cultivation does not save this plant. People who were maybe more like what Tripsten were talking about are going about fucking up the plant and it's ecostructure just to get high.

Let's talk Peyote conservation! Hijack!


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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OP seems to have some serious problems with comprehension - PMd me with accusations and I only made  2 posts in this trainwreck thread trying to get to some sort of sense what it was even about.

Maybe it should just be left to die naturally.  :hereyougo:


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Lol you edited the post I messaged you about today
But alright

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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You literally edited and changed what I had messaged you about 😂
Yikes

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
OP seems to have some serious problems with comprehension - PMd me with accusations and I only made  2 posts in this trainwreck thread trying to get to some sort of sense what it was even about.

Maybe it should just be left to die naturally.  :hereyougo:



I also got a PM. Couldn't make any sense of it except OP said he wont be posting in this thread anymore.:shrug:


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: karode13]
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Had to
Couldn’t pass up some one literally editing their post to change the points I had brought up to them

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
Lol you edited the post I messaged you about today
But alright


Hell no.  I edited it days ago when I posted it. 

Refresh refresh, for the night is coming, wherein no browser will work.  :laugh2:


Edited by PrimalSoup (02/19/19 08:36 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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“Edited 2/19/19

Right

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Pathetic lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day *DELETED* [Re: Tripsten]
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Quote:
Tripsten said:
You literally edited and changed what I had messaged you about 😂
Yikes



Fucking BS.  It is what it says there.  If you read some other version it isn't that.  Why we can edit fucking posts, my friend.  :hereyougo:

Edited by PrimalSoup (02/19/19 08:36 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Nope it literally says different than earlier
That’s just weak man

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Tripsten said:
“Edited 2/19/19

Right



:dafuq: You are fucked up.  You aren't even looking at the correct post. :goodday:

Dude, YOU are "The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day"


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Yes I literally am
I’m looking at the exact post I messaged you about

And ya clearly how dare I attempt a discussion
Your such a tool lol

Edited by Tripsten (02/19/19 08:41 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Bullshit.  You can't even read what's right in front of you.  Quit this farce already while you has some self respect left.  :nojustno:

THIS is your dumbass PM:


Quote:
I can’t reply to that thread anymore cause literally no one knows what they are talking about
I never once stated there was a superior psych
You and like 4 others are putting words in my mouth
It’s literally insane
I never said anything was fact
I never said mescaline gives a guaranteed anything
I never said mesc is the superior psych

I said people dismissed of it for its gentle nature
Never even said all god damn people
Even word for word once stated “there an entire CUKTURE OF PEOPLE OUT THERE”

So what are you even talking about ?
What are ANY of you even talking about
And why are so many here to stupid to read or ask if they don’t understand ?
As appears to guessing and pretending they know what anyone’s talking about ?


That makes no sense about what I said.  Just go away, please, and stop digging this hole.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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It only doesn’t now cause you edited your post to change the things you said which I brought up
It’s weak and idc how badly your trying to dodge it
I saw your true colors lol

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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All big and superior until  actual points are brought up then you have to retreat and edit and pretend
Pathetic but I guess everyone has their thing

Edited by Tripsten (02/19/19 08:43 PM)

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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You're fucked up, man.  Get some sort of clue.  Anybody with any working brain left can see where you're wrong and all your stupid posts claiming otherwise won't change shit at this point.

:goodluckwiththat:

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Jeez man calm down
Your just spouting nonsense
How am I wrong ?
The edit was visible for today and wasn’t there any other day until after I messaged you
You got caught
Stop being a baby about it

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Funny how you can understand me now
Seems selective
So many defensive measures

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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
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Could of done this in PM but I’m glad you wanted it public

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This thread has been closed.

Reason:
I think the thread has run its course.

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