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The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day * 2
    #25818804 - 02/17/19 02:28 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

I was discussing Mescaline with a friend of mine and resumed an interesting line of thought that I had a long time ago and I wanted to get the communities opinion as well

I will answer this question, “ Why isn’t Mescaline searched for very much at all today, why is it’s popularity so low ?”

Now the simple and shallow answer to this is money, “oh it costs to much to make,”
But then you get th REAL answer after discussing that at length , “well what if I spend the tine and money and it isn’t straight CRAZY like LSD (or any other preferred psych)

What can you pull from a line like that ?
Terrence McKenna one states that Mescaline “didn’t fit the bill” as a teacher compared to things like LSD , DMT, Ect.
This is fully laughable as I, and many civilizations for thousands of years have learned the true psychedellic truth from it
But do you know what a line like that confirms ? And the line I stayed before about the cost ?

There’s an entire culture of people out there PRETENDING to look for truth and happiness when in reality, they are looking for an insane high to make them go “woah damn that’s crazy loo at that wow”
They confuse truth with insane cheesy trips forgetting that the point of life is as SIMPLE as what’s right in front of you all the time
They don’t want happiness and inner love
They want “robot gnomes” or “jesters” or whatever garbage the mainstream psychedellic media is bombarding you with
In this , what I refer to as , “the age of entertainment”
That is why mescaline isn’t searched out
It CAN show you insane things believe me
But it isn’t always that way
And so people don’t see a value in it anymore

And this itself signifies a huge issue
The plants are all that will save the world
And we are even mixing our ego in with those

Shameful
Just purely shameful


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
    #25818824 - 02/17/19 02:36 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Yeah, mescaline is wild. I doubt most people could tell mescaline from LSD in a blind test.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: breeg89] * 1
    #25818830 - 02/17/19 02:38 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

I personally see an ENORMOUS difference between the two


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
    #25818846 - 02/17/19 02:46 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

I would genuinely go as far as to say they are completely different


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
    #25818852 - 02/17/19 02:49 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

You do realize that all the things you listed including mescaline are synthesized from plants or fungus right? I think you meant to say peyote. And peyote doesn't cost a lot to produce, you just have to have patience and knowledge to grow it... Then again adding to what you said, most people don't have that and want instant gratification. All they want is the instant wow factor and not fully immerse themselves in it. I believe all psychedelics are plant medicine (The ones derived from plants anyway not synthetic analogue crap), but a lot of people just use them as party drugs or to escape reality... Never taking any meaning out of the experience and bringing it back to everyday life. Continually doing the drugs isn't going to fix anything, you have to apply the message to your life and not expect it to fix everything for you.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
    #25818856 - 02/17/19 02:52 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

That is incorrect
Mescaline is the active compound found in peyote and many other cactus
Many of which are also potent
I don’t do anything synthetic
There IS synthetic Mescaline but I’m no5 talking about that at all
Mescaline being synthetic and peyote somehow being its only real form is a common misconception for those new to it
Thank you tho


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten] * 1
    #25818857 - 02/17/19 02:52 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

And I agree! They are all very different but super similar in many ways. Mescaline is more closely related to MDMA, but I've got more intense visuals off of clean pure MDMA than DMT/LSD/Mushrooms even. You just have to eat good shit...


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
    #25818859 - 02/17/19 02:54 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

You can extract mescaline from peyote dude lol... I know a molecular biologist... I'm not talking about synthetic mescaline either. DMT is not an analogue. LSD is not an analogue... They're all extracted from plants or fungus lol. Thanks though.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
    #25818861 - 02/17/19 02:55 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Then your post has no meaning lol
It’s not synthetic at that point if it comes directly from a plant lol
2-CB is synthetic
Thank you tho


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
    #25818864 - 02/17/19 02:56 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Extraction doesn’t equate synthetic friend


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
    #25818866 - 02/17/19 02:58 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Mescaline is easy to extract. Same process as dmt like jooce said. There's also a few LEGAL cacti u can extract mescaline from. All the "torch" cacti.

Lsd isn't extracted. Lsa is extracted from ergot and turned into Lsd.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
    #25818867 - 02/17/19 02:58 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

To get pure mescaline without the cactus you have to extract it... that is basic knowledge... That doesn't make it not natural. I actually know quite a bit about this exact topic and its a pretty frequent topic among my friend group. And extraction doesn't change the molecular structure of the chemical that gets you high... Its still mescaline. And there is both natural extract mescaline and synthetic mescaline. Think before you assume everyone is not as intellectual as you. I never said it was synthetic. I said it was extracted from a plant lmao.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
    #25818868 - 02/17/19 02:58 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

And if it does
If synthetic does mean a chemical extracted from plants
Then what’s even your point ? Surely it doesn’t relate to the post lol


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
    #25818872 - 02/17/19 03:00 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Quote:

Tripsten said:
Extraction doesn’t equate synthetic friend



I think he's just confused on what the word synthesize means. Anything that's "synthesized" is synthetic. Real mescaline is not "synthesized", it's extracted and refined.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Tripsten]
    #25818873 - 02/17/19 03:00 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Because you're degrading the other substances... its not the molecules that are the problem it's the people consuming them. That's the more accurate correlation with why its not as popular. I actually live near a place where the native americans have ceremony monthly and they do it entirely natural. Peyote button banquets. Outsiders are invited in and many of my friends have participated or been invited... And they are thoroughly appreciating the medicine. As with anything else they do. No matter the molecule.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
    #25818876 - 02/17/19 03:00 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Yeah I accidently put synthesized lol. I meant extracted lmao! whoops, my bad.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: Jooceman]
    #25818877 - 02/17/19 03:01 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

It's not popular cuz it's too expensive to produce. And takes too much time to grow cacti.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
    #25818883 - 02/17/19 03:03 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

It's not really something that's meant to be sold...


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424] * 3
    #25818886 - 02/17/19 03:04 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

U guys are confusing :lol:

Mescaline isn't popular because of supply and demand. Not enough supply in the world to feed demand, which makes it incredibly expensive. And time consuming.


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Re: The problem with the Psychedellic message in modern day [Re: nube424]
    #25818899 - 02/17/19 03:10 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Just find a native American church? They seem to have plenty to go around! :shrug:


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