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Rumsfeld lying on camera.
    #2581556 - 04/20/04 08:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Revelation]
    #2581558 - 04/20/04 08:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, here is a searchable database of some of the lies made by the Bush administration in the run up to this travesty.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Revelation]
    #2582513 - 04/20/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think it is pretty funny that moveon.org was created to exhonorate one president for lying, perjury and obstruction of justice while now it is trying to get rid of another for allegedly the same thing. More ridiculous is that there was a serious factual case against Clinton but all they have against Bush is insinuation and accusation.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2582626 - 04/20/04 02:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Even funnier is that Clinton lied about sex, not about going to war with a country and killing thousands of people. Lieing is lieing, but there is a differance in whats it's about.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: barfightlard]
    #2582903 - 04/20/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Great point!

I'll take a whoremonger over a warmonger anyday.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: barfightlard]
    #2583382 - 04/20/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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bellylard said:
Even funnier is that Clinton lied about sex, not about going to war with a country and killing thousands of people. Lieing is lieing, but there is a differance in whats it's about.



Actually Clinton lied under oath and it hasn't been proven Bush lied.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2583389 - 04/20/04 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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bellylard said:
Even funnier is that Clinton lied about sex, not about going to war with a country and killing thousands of people. Lieing is lieing, but there is a differance in whats it's about.



Actually Clinton lied under oath and it hasn't been proven Bush lied.



He was probably taking a lesson from Clinton by choosing not to be under oath when testifying before the 9/11 commission.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2583412 - 04/20/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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it hasn't been proven Bush lied.




Yeah, the jury's still out. Let's wait 10 or 20 years so we don't rush to judgement. Bush may have been telling the truth about WMD and the Al Quaeda-Iraq connection after all.




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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2583431 - 04/20/04 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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He was probably taking a lesson from Clinton by choosing not to be under oath when testifying before the 9/11 commission.



That's one possibility, another is that he actually believed what he said.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2583434 - 04/20/04 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Choosing not to be under oath = intending to lie.






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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Learyfan]
    #2583436 - 04/20/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Unless it can be shown he deliberately mislead us, I'll wait as long as it takes.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2583470 - 04/20/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Unless it can be shown he deliberately mislead us, I'll wait as long as it takes.




Will you wait until he's conveniently out of power?





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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Learyfan]
    #2583479 - 04/20/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'll wait until it's proven he lied. I'd do them same for a Dem, I'd do the same for you, I did the same for Alpo.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2583502 - 04/20/04 05:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If it's not "proven" that he lied now, it will never be "proven".





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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Learyfan]
    #2583510 - 04/20/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Then so be it.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2583573 - 04/20/04 05:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Are there any other possibilities at this point other than

A.) He lied.

B.) He was wrong.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2583597 - 04/20/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sure.

C.) They were moved elsewhere.

D.) They are still in Iraq.

E.) (that's my bet) :wink:


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: barfightlard]
    #2583607 - 04/20/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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bellylard said:
Even funnier is that Clinton lied about sex, not about going to war with a country and killing thousands of people. Lieing is lieing, but there is a differance in whats it's about.




Perhaps you forgot about this... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/crisis_in_the_gulf/texts_and_transcripts/236858.stm
right smack dab in the middle of his impeachment.


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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2583763 - 04/20/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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C.) They were moved elsewhere.

D.) They are still in Iraq.




Both of those options have been debunked many times here Luv. They aren't options because............

C.) Why would Saddam move his only means of defense out of the country once it was clear that Iraq was about to be attacked? Why didn't Saddam go where his weapons went? Why did he live in a hole when he could be chilling next to his WMD as we speak?

D.) If the WMD were still in Iraq, why hasn't someone come forward to collect the huge reward for revealing their whereabouts?

I have a lot of respect for you Luv, but i'd have more if you would just admit that Bush lied.







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Re: Rumsfeld lying on camera. [Re: Learyfan]
    #2583780 - 04/20/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Learyfan,
I don't think there are or were weapons in Iraq. However the fact that the conclusion that there WERE weapons in Iraq was so broad including prominent members of both parties, two Administrations, the governments of every world power INCLUDING France and Germany leads me to believe that they were all simply WRONG. There is a big difference between making a mistake and being a liar.

And seriously think, who is going to invade a country on the claim they have WMD, knowing damn well none will be found? That is total politcal suicide. There can be no motive for Bush to invade Iraq if he knows there aren't going to be weapons, and that everybody is going to point the finger at him. Doesn't make any sense.


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