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Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' * 2
    #25812829 - 02/14/19 02:53 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Fairly scary:


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Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature'

The world’s insects are hurtling down the path to extinction, threatening a “catastrophic collapse of nature’s ecosystems”, according to the first global scientific review.

More than 40% of insect species are declining and a third are endangered, the analysis found. The rate of extinction is eight times faster than that of mammals, birds and reptiles. The total mass of insects is falling by a precipitous 2.5% a year, according to the best data available, suggesting they could vanish within a century.

The planet is at the start of a sixth mass extinction in its history, with huge losses already reported in larger animals that are easier to study. But insects are by far the most varied and abundant animals, outweighing humanity by 17 times. They are “essential” for the proper functioning of all ecosystems, the researchers say, as food for other creatures, pollinators and recyclers of nutrients.

Insect population collapses have recently been reported in Germany and Puerto Rico, but the review strongly indicates the crisis is global. The researchers set out their conclusions in unusually forceful terms for a peer-reviewed scientific paper: “The [insect] trends confirm that the sixth major extinction event is profoundly impacting [on] life forms on our planet.

“Unless we change our ways of producing food, insects as a whole will go down the path of extinction in a few decades,” they write. “The repercussions this will have for the planet’s ecosystems are catastrophic to say the least.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/10/plummeting-insect-numbers-threaten-collapse-of-nature




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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25814954 - 02/15/19 03:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

NOT KILLING ANY DAMN APHIDS!!


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25844137 - 02/28/19 04:42 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Shit, that is pretty scary. I wonder if its related to global climate change.

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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #25844143 - 02/28/19 04:44 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Murmur.....barely a.


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: pineninja]
    #25850334 - 03/03/19 06:26 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Humans suck,undeveloped scumbag minds


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25856312 - 03/06/19 01:58 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Shit, that is pretty scary. I wonder if its related to global climate change.



Yes.

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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: chibiabos]
    #25914518 - 04/03/19 10:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

the planet has been dying since the time of the megaliths destruction(biblical armageddon/viking ragnarok), when most species went extinct, we are in the last days of this life, there is no way to recover from the loss of the paradise machine, cosmic rays will increase as the sun slumbers, dna mutations are never a good thing contrary to the lies of evolutionists, couple that with rampant pollution(microbeads, triclosan) and all life on this planet will be gone in less than a thousand years


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: killingravensun]
    #25916113 - 04/04/19 06:53 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, the planet will be fine.

Chances are, a good chunk of life will be fine.

Bacteria and such. Some insects will survive. Maybe a few larger animals.

We upright monkeys sure as hell won't be.

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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: Kryptos]
    #25918850 - 04/06/19 04:57 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Kryptos said:
Nah, the planet will be fine.



maybe, i mean mars is still a planet, not much to live on but yeah, still a planet

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Kryptos said:
Chances are, a good chunk of life will be fine.



no, the science vehemently disagrees with you, there is an unspoken consensus that we have passed peak life, the various pollutions we have put into the environment have become overwhelming, from antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals to endocrine disruptors and massive amounts of heavy metals and perchlorates and the list goes on, it is a fatal dose and we are seeing the endgame

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Kryptos said:
Bacteria and such. Some insects will survive. Maybe a few larger animals.



bleakly optomistic, but not likely, anyone not aware of how fucked triclosan is needs to read up and realize that it is already in high enough concentrations in the worlds waters to single handedly eradicate all life on this planet, thats the price of living out of balance and out of touch with natural reality

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We upright monkeys sure as hell won't be.



the spirit of life will continue, our experience is not the physical, we are just clothed in dirt, whatever you are is immutable and will continue elsewhere, nothing lasts forever in material form so mourning the passing of the earth is pointless, just remember what has happened here and when you wake up next time try not to fuck it up


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: killingravensun] * 1
    #25920769 - 04/07/19 07:24 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

The world has been frozen and cooked and covered in heavy metals in the atmosphere and a range of other shocking things. But where there is water there is life. Bacteria have already been found feeding on plastic. No more monkeys though. Game over for our ecology as we know it.

I'm not sure how much triclosan would be required to sterilize the ocean, but I'm darn sure that much doesn't exist. The pure scale of it defies belief. We don't have enough salt to salt every part of the earth, the ocean is twice as big and often several kilometers deep. I reckon we'd need a pile the size of Italy to do the job.


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: Northerner]
    #25920941 - 04/07/19 09:25 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

info on the current damage being done by triclosan is scant, here is an advisory paper from a few years ago, copied from pdf, sorry about format

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Environmental Concerns
Triclosan is toxic to algae,16 phytoplankton,17 and
other aquatic life. Because triclosan’s mode of ac-
tion is to inhibit fatty acid synthesis in bacteria, and
because bacteria and plants have similar fatty acid
biosynthesis pathways, triclosan may also have in-
hibitory effects on plants.18 Triclosan has also been
shown to have genotoxic and cytotoxic effects in
algae.19 Triclosan is lipophilic, and has been found
to bioaccumulate in earthworms, 20 algae,21 and
other organisms. Researchers are concerned
that it will accumulate and spread through
aquatic and terrestrial food webs.22
Triclosan has also been found to have
additive and even synergistic effects
when combined with other common
contaminants of waterways, poten-
tially making triclosan more toxic to
aquatic organisms when multiple pol-
lutants are in waterways, as is often
the case.23 One study found that a
mixture of low environmentally rel-
evant concentrations of 12 com-
monly used antibacterial agents
significantly inhibits algal
growth, including a level
of triclosan that is well
below the concentra-
tion that produced no
observed effect.24

Environmental Fate of Triclosan
Products that contain triclosan wash down our
drains and into water systems and waterways, where
triclosan has become a common contaminant. Sewer
overflows and wastewater effluent deposits both
contribute to triclosan contamination of waterways.
A major source of triclosan in waterways is sew-
age sludge. Triclosan accumulates in sewage sludge
from municipal wastewater treatments.25 The sew-
age sludge is spread on land, and triclosan leaches
down through the soil26 and runs off into surface
water from the fields.27 Concentrations of triclosan
in runoff have been found to be at levels above what
was shown to alter thyroid-mediated gene expres-
sion and development in frogs.28 Triclosan was de-
tected in runoff from treated fields as long as 266
days after the biosolid application.29
Triclosan has also been shown to persist in sedi-
ment for long periods of time. One study of sedi-
ment cores near wastewater treatment plants led the
authors to state, “Triclosan concentrations in sedi-
ments show no significant evidence of degradation
within the first few years after deposition.”30
Surprisingly, triclosan also persists in the home. A
2007 study looking at indoor dust samples found
triclosan present in all samples of dust from private
homes, and in surprisingly large amounts. “The av-
erage value (702 ng/g) was not far from the micro-
gram per gram range, which is the typical level
reported for this compound in sludge.”
Breakdown Products
Numerous studies have shown that triclo-
san, when exposed to sunlight, and when
interacting with chemicals such as chlo-
rine in tap water, degrades into toxic
breakdown and intermediate prod-
ucts. The most commonly detected
chemical breakdown products and
metabolites of triclosan include:
• 2,8-Dichlorodibenzo-p-dioxin
(2,8-DCDD): a type of dioxin. Re-
searchers in the UK and Japan found
that close to 1 percent of triclosan is
converted to 2,8-DCDD when pho-
todegraded, and that the
2,8-DCDD actually persists
longer than triclosan.31
2,8-DCDD was also found
to be a toxic intermediate
product when triclosan degrades in surface wa-
ters,32 on fiber coatings,33 and in real contami-
nated wastewater samples.34
• 2,4-Dichlorophenol (2,4-DCP): an endo-
crine disruptor and a U.S. EPA priority pollut-
ant. Detected by researchers in Spain and Cuba
studying the degradation of triclosan in the
presence of low levels of chlorine.35 Confirmed in
studies by researchers at Virginia Polytechnic36
and University of Minnesota.37 Also confirmed in
real wastewater samples.38
• 2,4,6-trichlorophenol (2,4,6-TCP): an en-
docrine disruptor. Detected by researchers in
Spain and Cuba studying the degradation of tri-
closan in the presence of low levels of chlorine.39
Confirmed in studies by researchers at Virginia
Polytechnic.40
• Chloroform: a carcinogen. Researchers at
Virginia Polytechnic found that chloroform is
created when triclosan reacts with free chlorine
in tap water, and that, in some circumstances, it
occurs in levels above the U.S. EPA Maximum
Contaminant Levels for chloroform in drinking
water.41 The researchers stated, “…The potential
exists for substantial chloroform production to
occur via daily household use of triclosan-con-
taining products.”42
• Methyl Triclosan: a metabolite of triclosan.
Bioaccumulates in algae43 and grass shrimp.44
Has been found to be more bioaccumulative than
triclosan.45 One study concluded, “…Triclosan
and methyl triclosan have been identified as two
of the major pollutants that currently contribute
to the acute toxicity of domestic wastewater.”46





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https://www.beyondpesticides.org/assets/media/documents/antibacterial/triclosan-research-3-09.pdf


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: killingravensun]
    #25921406 - 04/07/19 02:11 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's nasty stuff and will take its toll there's no doubt. It's effects appear restricted to terrestrial waterways and topsoil though. It's not the embodiment of death it was being made out to be.

The last time the earth was struck by a sizable meteorite it rained glass and sulphur across the world. The oceans acidified and died planet wide, the radiation would have been monumental as well. Caustic gases from the ensuing volcanic eruptions were that prevalent that most species of microscopic organisms were sent extinct as well. All this went down less than 100 million years ago, and it's happened multiple times that we can detect.

Yet the planets' biodiversity was staggering just 100 years ago, and now everything is dying... again. Some humans like to posess an inflated ego about how powerful we are to effect the life on this planet but the reality is that before we managed to kill 9 out of 10 creatures we ourselves would die. When the rubble and toxins are then left to stew for a few million years life will spring anew. There's currently nothing we have created that can have an effect on organisms that far in the future, none of our nastiest poisons or weapons have a half life that would even entertain more then buried traces of them existing in the fossil record.

Time is really long hey, and comparatively the earth may be in its last days. But there's still a billion years of life left in her yet. In that time all life will be extinguished multiple times and spring anew. There's only 2 scenarios by which life as we know it will end. The first is inevitable, the sun will cool to the point where we become a frozen block of ice, the atmosphere will dissipate and solar radiation will strip life from everything. This is what happened to Mars (in all logical theories). The second is we get hit by a monumentally huge object, I mean 1000km across, and the earth gets popped like an unwelcome pimple on a teenagers ass. We don't have the power to bring about either of these scenarios, nor do we have the power to stop them.

Little ants with massive egos who think we are Gods, that's all we are.


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: chibiabos]
    #25921515 - 04/07/19 03:38 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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chibiabos said:
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Shit, that is pretty scary. I wonder if its related to global climate change.



Yes.



Probably not as much as it is related to Monsanto though.


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: Northerner]
    #25922346 - 04/08/19 04:04 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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The last time the earth was struck by a sizable meteorite it rained glass and sulphur across the world. The oceans acidified and died planet wide, the radiation would have been monumental as well. Caustic gases from the ensuing volcanic eruptions were that prevalent that most species of microscopic organisms were sent extinct as well. All this went down less than 100 million years ago, and it's happened multiple times that we can detect.



not sure what you are referring to, the YDB event happened about 13,000 ago, that was the last major catastrophe i know of, unless you include the global flood from roughly 6000 years ago

but the YDB "impact event" has been questioned and nearly discarded, the evidence does not match experimental impactor damage results that nasa and others have been doing for decades, the latest and so far best explanation is that there was a micro nova or super flare from the sun, the plasma blast can account for all the discrepancies found in the geologic record, and some researchers are starting to wonder if the sun cycle includes a massive flaring event every so often, which would better explain the global extinction and entombment of most of the worlds species

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Time is really long hey, and comparatively the earth may be in its last days. But there's still a billion years of life left in her yet. In that time all life will be extinguished multiple times and spring anew.



that is the lie of the evolutionists, yet another branch of science that is built mostly on conjecture and misunderstanding, there is no evidence for evolution, just adaptation, which is not the same

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Northerner said:
There's only 2 scenarios by which life as we know it will end.



preposterous

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Northerner said:
The first is inevitable, the sun will cool to the point where we become a frozen block of ice, the atmosphere will dissipate and solar radiation will strip life from everything. This is what happened to Mars (in all logical theories).



wrong. the sun is electrical, it is powered by the galactic current sheet, the sun cycle modulates based on the suns position on the energy wave, with more potential at the peaks and less as we cross the zero point, where we are now, which is why the sun begins to sleep, what happened to mars was likely a micro nova or superflare, it blasted the planet with electrical energy which caused most of the surface scarring you see today, the blast stripped the atmosphere and any surface details away into space, evidence for this scenario is overwhelming right down to the pervasive perchlorates in the martian soil, easily formed by high energy electrical discharge, and on up to the valles marineris which could only be formed by electric discharge, water erosion has already been ruled out as the elevations do not support flow and the collapsed lava tube theory is even less science based


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: killingravensun]
    #25922393 - 04/08/19 05:13 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Concurrently, the abundance of a small number of species is increasing

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320718313636

"these are all adaptable, generalist species that are occupying the vacant niches left behind by the ones declining."

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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #25922656 - 04/08/19 09:08 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

more from the same paper...

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While countless insect species are disappearing, few others are occupying vacant niches and expanding their distribution. In terrestrial ecosystems, most of the occupying species are generalists with diverse ecological preferences (e.g., Bombus impatients, Plusia putnami, Laemostenus terricola and Hippodamia variegata). In aquatic environments, species replacement is also mediated by ecological traits such as degree of tolerance to pollutants (e.g. Sympetrum striolatum, Brachyptera risi and Potamyia flava), with communities thus becoming more uniform and less diverse in composition (Houghton and Holzenthal, 2010).




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Habitat change and pollution are the main drivers of such declines. In particular, the intensification of agriculture over the past six decades stands as the root cause of the problem, and within it the widespread, relentless use of synthetic pesticides is a major driver of insect losses in recent times (Dudley and Alexander, 2017). Given that these factors apply to all countries in the world, insects are not expected to fare differently in tropical and developing countries. The conclusion is clear: unless we change our ways of producing food, insects as a whole will go down the path of extinction in a few decades (Dudley et al., 2017; Fischer et al., 2008; Gomiero et al., 2011).




https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320718313636


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Re: Plummeting insect numbers 'threaten collapse of nature' [Re: killingravensun]
    #25931992 - 04/13/19 07:44 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

There is a reckoning coming and nature will find a balance again. The question is just if we are part of that balance or not.

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