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Mycobum7
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Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry?
#25805458 - 02/11/19 10:14 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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This sounds silly but I literally cannot tell if the sides are not beading because they have too much water or too little. What I mean is on my bulk substrate the middle always has beads of water that look healthy and the sides are more matted, they seem moist but no beads I canβt decide if I have over misted or not enough. It is really dry where I live so I am thinking the dry air is coming in the side holes causing dry ness. What would you do?
Edited by Mycobum7 (02/11/19 10:16 AM)
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805465 - 02/11/19 10:17 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Iβd post a pic..
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805467 - 02/11/19 10:18 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805473 - 02/11/19 10:24 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Looks like its got a bit of bacterial infection (myc looks stressed, rhizos stuck together tightly, yellowing, metabolites) not the end of the world but Iβd err on the side of dryness and maximum fae without letting it get dried out. Looks almost like droplets in the middle are from condensation on the lids falling down. When was it spawned?
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805475 - 02/11/19 10:25 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Is it just me or does it actually look wet on the sides rather than dry? When it gets to a certain point of saturation you can't see the droplets anymore. I would just leave it alone, it isn't in bad shape.
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Psicomb]
#25805478 - 02/11/19 10:27 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Actually now I dunno, some sides look dry but the top left looks wet, dammit I'm stoned lol but regardless yeah I agree with AyePlus to err on the side of caution and let it remain kinda dry if that's the case.
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Psicomb]
#25805519 - 02/11/19 10:54 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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No I donβt think there was ever that much moisture and considering the highest holes on the Ben are on the short side how could the sides be wetter than the middle?
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805524 - 02/11/19 10:58 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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I don't understand the logic there but I wouldn't worry much about your situation. you didn't make a proper mono so maybe it is not evaporating properly. It is really easy to oversaturate accidentally so I recommend leaving it alone until the first flush is over.
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Psicomb]
#25805615 - 02/11/19 11:47 AM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Itβs a standard 6 hole mono...
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805634 - 02/11/19 12:01 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Ah my mistake, I misunderstood. "on the short side" I interpreted as meaning they're close to the substrate and I only saw the two holes stuffed with polyfil in the photo. All six holes are stuffed with poly, right?
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Psicomb]
#25805664 - 02/11/19 12:12 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Ya all six
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805709 - 02/11/19 12:33 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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If that is the case and it is for sure dry then adjusting the amount of polyfil can help balance things out. Good luck, it looks pretty solid 
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Psicomb]
#25805728 - 02/11/19 12:42 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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I will be more specific, it is a standard mono with one hole on each of the short sides near the top right under the handle and two holes on each of the long sides about 8 inches apart, along the bottom. Just like a standard mono. My logic was that the lack of beads is happening under the top poles, and correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that air came in the top holes and out the bottom holes. Or is it the other way around and the air comes in the bottom holes and out the top? I have grown weed for years and I have never been so fucking confused about growing an organism in my life LOL
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: AyePlus]
#25805858 - 02/11/19 01:44 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Spawned two weeks ago I forgot to say
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805875 - 02/11/19 01:54 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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I dont remember the exact science behind how monos work but I use monos (both modded and unmodded) pretty much exclusively and if the sides seem to be dry I assume they're getting too much fae there and I add a little more polyfil to balance it out better. Similarly, if the sides are wet or have pools of water, loosening up the polyfil can help even it out. It's easy to overthink things with mushrooms. Growing weed looks way harder haha.
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25805992 - 02/11/19 03:01 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Mycobum7 said: This sounds silly but I literally cannot tell if the sides are not beading because they have too much water or too little. What I mean is on my bulk substrate the middle always has beads of water that look healthy and the sides are more matted, they seem moist but no beads I canβt decide if I have over misted or not enough. It is really dry where I live so I am thinking the dry air is coming in the side holes causing dry ness. What would you do?
Air coming in the side holes? Is this a regular monotub with 4 holes on the bottom, two on top stuffed with poly fill?
In this style monotub the FAE is happening through those holes. A substrate that was mixed at proper field capacity is large enough to provide it's own humidity at surface level in these tubs. The polyfill is there to restrict the FAE some so the substrate surface doesn't dry out too quickly. To start the bottom holes are stuffed very tightly, the top two very loose. Ideally we want a layer of tiny water droplets across the top of this substrate. The constant evaporation of these off the substrate surface if a main pinning trigger.
If those water droplets start drying up too quickly, we tighten up the (bottom) poly some to restrict FAE, and give it a misting to tide things over. If we start seeing puddles or huge droplets that aren't really going anywhere, we loosen up the bottom poly to allow more FAE in. I like to see the surface totally covered with droplets, that start to dry up a little immediately in front of the bottom holes- it shows I'm allowing the max FAE I can without starting to dry the surface out. That's the balance we aim for with a fruiting chamber. The max FAE we can allow for the least amount of maintenance. A tub dialed in well shouldn't need much, if any supplemental misting.
In other types of tubs , like unmodified tubs, the FAE is provided through the lid, and adjusted by cracking it.
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: mushpunx]
#25806139 - 02/11/19 04:09 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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Mycobum7 said: This sounds silly but I literally cannot tell if the sides are not beading because they have too much water or too little. What I mean is on my bulk substrate the middle always has beads of water that look healthy and the sides are more matted, they seem moist but no beads I canβt decide if I have over misted or not enough. It is really dry where I live so I am thinking the dry air is coming in the side holes causing dry ness. What would you do?
Air coming in the side holes? Is this a regular monotub with 4 holes on the bottom, two on top stuffed with poly fill?
In this style monotub the FAE is happening through those holes. A substrate that was mixed at proper field capacity is large enough to provide it's own humidity at surface level in these tubs. The polyfill is there to restrict the FAE some so the substrate surface doesn't dry out too quickly. To start the bottom holes are stuffed very tightly, the top two very loose. Ideally we want a layer of tiny water droplets across the top of this substrate. The constant evaporation of these off the substrate surface if a main pinning trigger.
If those water droplets start drying up too quickly, we tighten up the (bottom) poly some to restrict FAE, and give it a misting to tide things over. If we start seeing puddles or huge droplets that aren't really going anywhere, we loosen up the bottom poly to allow more FAE in. I like to see the surface totally covered with droplets, that start to dry up a little immediately in front of the bottom holes- it shows I'm allowing the max FAE I can without starting to dry the surface out. That's the balance we aim for with a fruiting chamber. The max FAE we can allow for the least amount of maintenance. A tub dialed in well shouldn't need much, if any supplemental misting.
In other types of tubs , like unmodified tubs, the FAE is provided through the lid, and adjusted by cracking it.
You are the man. I very much appreciate this info. And I just want it to be known that I scour the site for hours and hours and hours but the thing is that a lot of the information on this site is over 10 years old and I really just want to talk to the community and know what they would currently do in my situations, and I am only asking all these questions, if you look at my profile Iβve been asking a lot lately, because I am doing my first van after this based on my level of success or failure I will have a much better idea of what factors play into growing fungus. Itβs just that right now I donβt really know if I am doing good or bad. I appreciate all of you guys
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Re: Water beads / droplets only in the middle, would you assume the sides are more dry? [Re: Mycobum7]
#25806155 - 02/11/19 04:20 PM (5 years, 6 days ago) |
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