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Hydro powered permaculture in Utah
    #25802434 - 02/09/19 09:01 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

I own property on the sevier river south ( up stream) from the farm lands that the river is eventually drained into. Anyways, my initial interest is moving to my property and going off grid which I am thinking will be rather easy and then I will build my permaculture.anyways, I’ve researched extensively on hydro power and solar power and I am rather excited, hydro power has the most of my love because of its consistency and efficiency. So here is the down low, I want to put a off grid cabin out there and set up my greenhouses with river fed sprinklers as well as some perennial vegetables, berries, and trees.. my thoughts are to set up the green houses for micro greens and mushrooms as a promised source of produce to provide restaurants and farmers market, then later I want to get something like a fruit tree orchard going and free range some chickens and possibly a pig on the orchard. Essentially what I want to do is build an edible forest that’s at my disposal, I’m talking like bioremediation with the assist of the river,micro green waste(composted sprout roots and coir) and mushroom waste. I realize it won’t be so easy but I also don’t think it would be super hard either. What are our thoughts?


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802442 - 02/09/19 09:05 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Yep. That's my goal too. I've been building stock for years by propagating figs, blueberries, raspberries, black walnuts, etc.

Now I just need the land.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802444 - 02/09/19 09:06 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

In short:
1) put a off grid Mobil home out there.
2) get my microgreen and mushroom farm going
3) build my food forest off mushroom and micro green waste.
4) a biproduct of microgreen farming is precious topsoils. Essentially you are farming and selling crop cover and then you are left with awsome topsoils for the trees and vegetables!  And all this would be powered from hydro  from the river and solar power!


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802445 - 02/09/19 09:07 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Also, look into building a house with earth bags. It's pretty labor intensive, but really cool.
Also use a green roof( living roof) with sedum plants/other native species.




How much land do you have?


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Fiery]
    #25802449 - 02/09/19 09:09 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

What part of The US are you in? And yeah, when I lived in my farm house we had a personal micro farm that produced waaaay to much produce, we gave a lot of it away.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802458 - 02/09/19 09:12 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Currently I only have an acre. Are you familiar with Curtis stone on YouTube? He is my idol. Dude is showing me my dream is more than doable. He gives me something to show to my haters who say it isn’t possible. I couldn’t  imagine why people would think it’s impossible:shrug:


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam] * 1
    #25802460 - 02/09/19 09:14 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

I live north of Atlanta.

I've been propagating plants for years using a tek called " air layering" You can literally turn one fig tree into dozens.

I sell lots of the plants that I propagate, but I'm holding back a huge stock of plants for myself( in pots)for when I get land.

I only have a third acre right now and it's not enough. I literally have the entire place planted out with perennial fruits and berries .


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Fiery]
    #25802467 - 02/09/19 09:17 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

yes! Cloning is next to the only acceptable means of multiplying produce plants. If you have the money to buy mature plants then all the power to ya but to an educated cultivar it seems like a sin.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802473 - 02/09/19 09:21 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Yeah. For sure. you should also look at planting trees for the lumber value. and getting another acre nearby.




Yeah man that reminds me, a lady just took out a huge maple tree and I got a crap ton of perfect mushroom logs.

I ordered 1000 Shiitake plugs and 250 Reishi. It was $70 with shipping.

Mushrooms logs are a must. So very easy. especially with a river you can soak them in.


My plan it so make my own cultures so I don't have to buy spawn, if you have a flowhood and the knowledge of how to do it, one culture can last a lifetime!


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802476 - 02/09/19 09:22 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

plus mushroom logs produce for years. up to five I think.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Fiery]
    #25802503 - 02/09/19 09:32 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Yeah I will no doubt be utilizing mushroom logs in the permaculture aspect. Also, my closest neighbors a mile or so away has some bad ass hydro turbines with cement spillway and all so it definitely possible. I’ve been thinking about these off grid kits and decided against them to build my own. One thought is to get some generators and yank off the gas engine for some other projects and instal the turbines as a replacement for the motor. Seems to be a bit cheaper than buying a kit or buying all the pieces separate.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802508 - 02/09/19 09:34 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

yeah man. there's lots of info on building your own power generators.


Basically, it's a series of high powered magnets, that spin across copper coils to generate the electricity.

I watched some cool videos on building a power generating windmill from scratch.

How do you plan to store the power? Batteries??


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Fiery]
    #25802514 - 02/09/19 09:36 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Yup batteries. And all my extra power will be used for 1 of 3 possibilities.
1) extra lights in the green house
2) extra hot water
3) thermal dump in the outdoor greenhouse during the winter.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802517 - 02/09/19 09:38 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Sweet man. Well I'm all for that. Sounds like you have a good plan. I have to go to bed. Peace out all.:fuckyeah:


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802525 - 02/09/19 09:43 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

I have even thought of utilizing hydro power to catalyze hydroxy gas hydrolysis diverted back into a generator. Not completely sure if the plan would work but in theory the hydro power is multiplied by breaking water into is gasses (oxygen and hydrogen) and then ran though a normal gas generator. Possibly even using biodigesters for biogas.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Fiery]
    #25802527 - 02/09/19 09:43 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

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Sweet man. Well I'm all for that. Sounds like you have a good plan. I have to go to bed. Peace out all.:fuckyeah:



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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802530 - 02/09/19 09:44 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

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I realize it won’t be so easy but I also don’t think it would be super hard either. What are our thoughts?




Well what's stopping you? Best time to grow fruits tree would have been years ago and the second best time is right now.


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Uzziel]
    #25802549 - 02/09/19 09:54 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

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I realize it won’t be so easy but I also don’t think it would be super hard either. What are our thoughts?




Well what's stopping you? Best time to grow fruits tree would have been years ago and the second best time is right now.



I currently live in Michigan and acquired this land through inheritance! It has me too excited, I’m going out there this summer to survey and what not. I am already certain I’m going to set up my off grid cabin and surely farming food for myself. The greater portion of this project is farming enough to sell and eventually having the permaculture set up for when I want to retire:awedance: very few bills and a place full of sustainable food. My own little cabin in the mountains


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Thesunbeam]
    #25802560 - 02/09/19 10:03 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Well if there's one thing about farming, is what you put in is what you get out of it (aside from natural disasters). The more effort and time you put into it, the more you are rewarded for your efforts.

I always loved working on my grandparents small farm, they are the ones who made me fall in love with growing plants. There is definitely a sweet satisfaction of growing your own food.

That sounds awesome man and it sounds like you've done your research. If I remember right there was even one fellow who generated enough electricity to sell back to the city but I don't know how common it is and I can't seem to find the video on the guy


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Re: Hydro powered permaculture in Utah [Re: Uzziel]
    #25802574 - 02/09/19 10:11 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Yeah selling power to electrical companies was something I thought about as well. It’s definitely doable. Curtis stone on YouTube had done it. He is my idol and is doing everything I want to do only I want to add a river and all it’s benifits to the equation. And Curtis is in British Columbia waaaay up north using solar where there isn’t a whole lot of direct sun.


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