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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: bodhisatta]
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Yes nd no, I wish I didn't have them in my life but when your muscles are so tight your numb, twitching and can't move ur head without extreme pain (in my case) that'd be no way to live to allow those extreme systmpomts. I think unfortunately my generation was used as guinea pigs at very young ages and there is serious consequences to that and there has been no studies what getting a 14 year old addicted to 6 mg a day of Xanax from ages 14 to 24.

In my case my brain could have stopped developing properly a long time ago. Truly the double-edged sword. However people with severe pain from surgeries and diseases need some sort of opiate pain control. I think the only reason everyone thinks we are in an opiate crisis is because doctor's in the south during the early 2,000s were giving opiates out hand over first for money. That led to increased overdose which led to a complete crackdown which surged demand for black market opies mainly heroin. Which has led to even more heroin with fent. That's why everyone is dying


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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Desolus]
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Edited by Mandarinfish (07/19/20 10:24 AM)

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Mandarinfish]
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Save opiates for when you need them as a medicine.

Imagine being in great pain and having no opiates to turn to.


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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Deadp1xel]
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Deadp1xel said:
whats that supposed to mean?


You just said salvia is the best opiate.

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: mendocino_beano]
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I am getting 5 pounds of poppy seeds tomorrow.


Last time I ordered 5 pounds it was super potent and i used for 2 weeks straight and actually had mild withdrawals afterwards. :eek:

Heres hoping I get potent seeds :lol:

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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yah i think it is a safe opiate without much addiction potential :tongue2:


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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Deadp1xel]
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im about as close to a "recreational user as you can get. i cop once a week and get high for 2 days (weekend warrior) and have continued this pattern of use for years. however i cant tell you how much money ive wasted on that shit that i relly should have saved or spent on other shit or couldnt really afford to spend. its also been extremely hard to quit, i went to an outpatient program after a friend died from an od and was able to stay off for like a month, the only other long periods ive gone without opiates was 2 6-8 month stints working on a pot farm in the middle of nowhere where getting dope wasnt even an option. of coarse as soon as i got back to civilization i started using again. then theres the contant fear of a fentanyl od, i field tested 10 different bundles of dope 1 came  up negative for fent, one was inconclusive the other 8 were clearly positive and contained fentanyl. of coarse being an addict i slammed all of it anyway. i just left the narcan out on the table next to me in the hope that if i do od someone will find me fast enough where i wont die (realistically i doubt id be found in time).


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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Desolus said:
What was your dosing? what did you consume? what was your overall experience? Does the type of person matter?

Obviously, the potential for abuse is far higher in heroin, vs a gardener who makes some opium tea to enjoy a few months out of the year. So with such a wide array of products this is a fairly complicated question... what do you guys think about healthy opium use, and not so healthy use? Is there even a healthy day to day use for any opiates?




I feel most people should stay away from opioids, but I also feel it's totally possible to dabble with them occasionally with out issue...Just depends on the person. Depending on the person and their self control/will power, how strong minded they are, etc.... But I feel the majority of people have very little self control. Most people give in to their cravings/urges/impulses way too easily and then it's a downward spiral from there.

I don't really view any single drug as being addictive...I feel it comes down entirely on the person, why they're using the drug, their ability to control their impulses/urges, etc etc etc....

...but when it comes to opioids, lots of people do dig themselves into addiction. It's a slippery slope for most.




I was able to dabble with opioids occasionally and never really fell into any sort of addiction with them...I was mostly self-medicating with them in a way, using them for socializing, anxiety, etc. But I wasn't taking them every day, I would only take them for specific occasions. I also always kept my dosage low, I was never trying to get "loaded" or on the nod, I was taking them mostly just to get me out of my head and ease social anxiety. (I'm very introverted, and kinda aspergy).

When going over to a freinds place for a get together or a house party, instead of drinking alcohol (I don't like alcohol) and getting drunk like everyone else I would just take a lil bump (5mg or so) of oxycodone up my nose a time or two through out the night. The oxycodone was less detrimental to my body than alcohol, it would ease my anxiety more so than alcohol does and it would make me much more social than alcohol.

Funny...because lots of people might look down on someone snorting some oxycodone, but everyone else at the party getting drunk on alcohol is soemthing that's totally acceptible and OK :rolleyes: . When in reality that lil bit of OC up my nose is less toxic and detrimental to my body than alcohol is.


Several years ago there was a period of 60 to 80 days or so where I was taking oxycodone (occasionally oxymorphone) a few days a week...I always kept my dosage the same, even after 2 months my typical dosage was still just 5mg up my nose, no more than 10mg in a day. I never even seemed to develop much tolerance.



I haven't touched any pharmacuetical opioid in several years though...Now that I have discovered kratom (6+ years ago) I don't really have much desire to take pharm/potent opioids.

If I come across someone selling actual legitimate hydrocodone, or oxycodone, of hydromorphone...I might grab a few for a special occasion...but generally speaking I don't have any interest in pharm-opioids these days. And I'm a bit concered about touching opioids on the "market" considering how much fent is out there these days.

I do plan on growing some poppies in the garden this year though :smirk: .








Lophosaurus said:
I wouldn't recommend trying to use recreationally because most people don't have the will power and they are too big of pussy ass little bitches to go through withdrawals when they get in too deep and they just keep using. I have been using opiates in a recreational manner for over 25 years and I love them. They give a nice a nice relaxing buzz and take away my general body pain.

All opioids from kratom or pod tea, to heroin are addicting. Be careful.

My favorite is opium, then pod putty, then krat, IV diluadid, Roxi, and last is Heroin.



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I thoroughly enjoy opiates, and while it's been a few years since I've touched anything besides kratom I dabbled with them with out issue for several years....Oxymorphone (opana) was hands down my favorite :drooling: .

But I have never dabbled with them regularly or heavily enough to get hooked or develop much of a tolernace. I never took em' IV, just up the nose. I always kept my dosage relatively low. I'd space out the days.


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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: openmind]
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^honestly that's the story of most people I know who are now dead. Everyone starts off with full control, and laughs at any suggestion that there's more to what they're doing than they realize.

I did tramadol, vicodin, oxy, etc very occassionally for 5 years without issue. Then I did heroin once or twice a week for over a year without any problems. There were multiple 1-3 month long breaks of not touching anything mixed in.

It got me eventually, and looking back... it was always going to. I felt like I was in full control in the short game, but dope is the master of the long game.

You really, truly, will never see it coming.

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
You really, truly, will never see it coming.


Anyone who is self-conscious about their drug use will definitely be aware about how addictive opiates are. You can't really say you don't see it coming. Anyone who gets into the habitual usage KNOWS they are playing around with one of the most addictive substances. Whether they care or not because they are high is a different story.

If you know you don't have good self-discipline, it shouldn't even be considered.

Luckily for me, I fiend for weed way harder than I have ever fiended for opiates. It really depends on the individual.

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Uzziel]
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Uzziel said:
feevers said:
You really, truly, will never see it coming.


Anyone who is self-conscious about their drug use will definitely be aware about how addictive opiates are. You can't really say you don't see it coming. Anyone who gets into the habitual usage KNOWS they are playing around with one of the most addictive substances. Whether they care or not because they are high is a different story.

If you know you don't have good self-discipline, it shouldn't even be considered.

Luckily for me, I fiend for weed way harder than I have ever fiended for opiates. It really depends on the individual.


Jesus that is true. I know when I am pushing it with opiates (only has happened a few times) but weed i will just smoke and smoke and smoke like some kind of fiend.

I guess its because I know how weed withdrawals feel and I know how opiate withdrawals feel.

IME, weed withdrawals are unpleasant and annoying, but very bearable.

Ive only had mild opiate withdrawal, once from an oxy binge, once from a hydroconde binge, and a few times from poppy seed tea binges. I felt like fucking dying and it was very very mild (from like 2-3 weeks of daily use).

I certainly knew that i was pushing it and probably would get withdrawals. Sure enough I got withdrawals. Each time was followed by months of not touching any opiate out of fear of getting withdrawals again.

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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I use kratom sometimes

I feel like shit the next day every time I do

I know it's bad for me, physically

It's also good for my ability to socialize in certain situations

I used to use hardcore opiates and now I don't

I don't think anyone should try opiates because I managed to make it through opoid use without dying

My family used to be scared shitless every time I overdosed, and I wouldn't want anyone to go through what they went through

I don't think there is a healthy place for recreational heroin use


does that answer your question?

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: Uzziel]
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Uzziel said:
feevers said:
You really, truly, will never see it coming.


Anyone who is self-conscious about their drug use will definitely be aware about how addictive opiates are. You can't really say you don't see it coming. Anyone who gets into the habitual usage KNOWS they are playing around with one of the most addictive substances. Whether they care or not because they are high is a different story.

If you know you don't have good self-discipline, it shouldn't even be considered.

Luckily for me, I fiend for weed way harder than I have ever fiended for opiates. It really depends on the individual.


Occasional use is not habit.

It's the slide between occasional use and habit that gets you first.

Even the most introspective and self-reflective person can be lulled by the greatest feeling on earth.
Check the RIP thread here or local overdose reports if you really need proof.

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Re: Do opiates have a place in healthy recreational use? [Re: feevers] * 1
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Understanding how addictive opiates are is meaningless.

You don't understand addiction itself until you experience it.

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