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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
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that is, that outsider candidates are being purposely ignored or misrepresented while insiders like Warren and Biden get big ups from the media and establishment)


How is warren an insider and sanders isn’t?


Respecting that this is prolly an open-ended question for Tulsi supporters
rather than a directed question at me, as a Canadian who is going to head out and vote Green in an hour or two
my general understanding is that Warren is portrayed as having at some point, fairly recently, sold out to the Establishment
do not remember the details -- only saw the thumbnails on youtube; they suggest me 'relevant' Young Turks videos and stuff
do not typically watch their videos tho

tho, may also be thinking of a video from Sh0e/Brainlet
who is a liberal youtuber who has been outspoken in support of Bernie and Tulsi
but gets angry when people try to label Warren as the female version of Sanders


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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods]
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Trump 2.1
Warren 3.5
Sanders 18.0
Buttigeg 21.0
Clinton 21.0
Harris 40.


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Just a fool on the hill.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: pineninja]
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What


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods]
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koods said:
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that is, that outsider candidates are being purposely ignored or misrepresented while insiders like Warren and Biden get big ups from the media and establishment)


How is warren an insider and sanders isn’t?


Imagine asking this question.


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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods] * 1
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/1

It's their odds as of today.


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Just a fool on the hill.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said:
I look at betting markets to weed out noise.
Talk is cheap, putting up incorrect odds is not.

They have had her shortening for the last couple of months...for what it's worth.
Same with my man Pete.


PI in particular is a shit indicator until 24 hrs before a vote.  Its designed that way.  I cant speak to betfair or the like

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
koods said:
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that is, that outsider candidates are being purposely ignored or misrepresented while insiders like Warren and Biden get big ups from the media and establishment)


How is warren an insider and sanders isn’t?


Imagine asking this question.


I don’t have to imagine it. I asked. Don’t make me imagine the answer.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods]
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I don’t want to rob you of the satisfaction of discovering the information yourself, it would be condescending of me to assume you don’t have access to it or can’t find it.


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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods] * 2
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It just depends on how youre using the term.  If by insider one means someone who has been involved in politics for some time, then sure it applies to Bernie.  If being an insider means being in with the in crowd and supported by the political establishment and moneyed interests then it seems clear that Warren is much more so.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: ballsalsa]
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Define clear :smug:


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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
I don’t want to rob you of the satisfaction of discovering the information yourself, it would be condescending of me to assume you don’t have access to it or can’t find it.


A lot of people including yourself have already posted this, and I'm sure koods has read it.

But if it's not mainstream news, koods won't believe it, no matter how many times the mainstream news gets caught issuing fake news.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So you got nothing

I get it. Bernie support is bit of a cult of personality. Time to grow up tho. This is politics. You never get everything you want.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (10/21/19 07:55 PM)

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods]
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Oh fal. Bernie was on PBS and said that Trumps withdrawal from Syria was the worst blunder he’d ever seen. He’s what you would call “against ending endless wars” that’s what you say about anyone who criticizes the withdrawal. Guess you need to find a new candidate.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (10/21/19 08:00 PM)

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods]
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I already said, Tulsi Gabbard is my first choice.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
So you got nothing

I get it. Bernie support is bit of a cult of personality. Time to grow up tho. This is politics. You never get everything you want.


Bernie isn't a super hero and obviously can't be everything to everyone.  That said, most of us never get anything we want from a politician.  Bernie represents the first chance in many folks' lives to vote for a candidate that actually has the public's best interests at heart.  No, you don't get everything you want in politics, but at least Bernie won't start the bargaining from right of center.  I can't honestly say i trust someone who was a republican until she was almost 50 to do the same.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah warren is right of center 🤦‍♂️



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NotSheekle said
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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:whathesaid:

Tulsi > Bernie > Warren > establishment


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
So you got nothing

I get it. Bernie support is bit of a cult of personality. Time to grow up tho. This is politics. You never get everything you want.


All y’all post like qman now.


“I’m gonna keep my unsubstantiated belief until y’all write a dissertation convincing me otherwise.”


Seriously there’s like 20 articles about Bernie vs Warren and their records and substantial differences. Stay in that echo chamber though


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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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Here’s one from the guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/23/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-democratic-party-2020-differences

Here’s another from jacobin

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-socialism-progressives

But Warren’s entire candidacy hinges on being the same as Bernie so why would you believe any different? Why learn anything?


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Edited by The Ecstatic (10/21/19 09:19 PM)

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Re: Tulsi Gabbard 2020! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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Bernie: socialist
Warren: capitalist

Bernie: fundamental change, worker movement
Warren: technocratic regulations

Bernie: Fought for left politics since the 60s
Warren: fought for left politics since 2019

Bernie: billionaires shouldn’t exist
Warren: I have no beef with billionaires

Bernie: challenged the centrist order in 2016
Warren: sat out in hopes that Hillary would name her VP

Bernie: arrested for protesting segregation in the 60s
Warren: pretended to be a POC until she was 70

Bernie: fought against the corruption of both parties as an independent
Warren: was a Republican most of her life then switched to Dem when Clinton pulled the party right

Bernie: political revolution
Warren: reform capitalism

Bernie: for trans rights in the 70s/80s
Warren: Reagan Republican during the AIDS crisis

Bernie: denounces American imperialism
Warren: lets have a green military

Bernie: Israel shouldn’t get aid if they keep killing civilians
Warren: :shrug:

Bernie: cancel all student debt
Warren: cancel some of it

Bernie: Medicare for all, single payer system
Warren: something like a Medicare for all framework, but with private insurers, we’ll get back to you on that

Bernie: showed up to defend water protestors at Standing Rock
Warren: :shrug:

Bernie: fights for workers and unions his entire life
Warren: corporate lawyer for Dow Chemical, emphatically pro union since 2019

Bernie: ran against the Clinton machine
Warren: welcomes Hillary as adviser, hires former Clinton staff

Bernie: base of multiracial working class coalition
Warren: base of middle/upper class whites

Bernie: 100% grassroots funded campaign
Warren: transfers $10M of corporate senate campaign money, has wealthy donor purchase DNC voter database for her, leaves open idea of corporate money in general election, promises to host big money fundraisers for DNC

Bernie: highly critical of US foreign policy.
Warren: FP basically the same as every other politician

Bernie: Writes M4A bill
Warren: doesn’t cosponsor





There’s certainly more. I guarantee the internet has these things documented better than my soggy brain does.



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